Skip to comments.Gun in Denver airport bathroom was Houston DEA agent's
Posted on 10/24/2012 6:19:50 AM PDT by smokingfrog
The loaded .45-caliber Glock handgun left in a crowded Denver International Airport bathroom belonged to a Drug Enforcement Administration agent based in Houston, according to records obtained on Tuesday.
The gun, with one round in the chamber and 10 in the magazine, was found by a traveler last week on the back of a toilet seat beyond Transportation Security Administration checkpoints, according to a Denver police report.
It was later returned to the agent, who was traveling on Southwest Airlines from Denver to Houston.
The DEA has stayed mum on the gun, declining to confirm the agency's ties to the incident.
"Incidents such as the one you described ... fall within the scope of an (internal) investigation and DEA does not confirm, deny or comment on internal investigations," Lisa Johnson, spokeswoman for the DEA's Houston Division, said in response to a Chronicle query.
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It’s a practical problem for all CCW folks who carry a (fairly) heavy pistol concealed on their belt.
What to do with it in the john? Drop trou with the pistol on the belt, too heavy, hard to do.
Some cops and others even hang them by the trigger guard on the hook inside the stall door. At least it’s there in front of your face when you pull up your pants.
Another “Fart & Forgetfulness” scandal?
They seem to like to chamber that first round....
I think that one factor contributes to almost all accidental discharges, at least involving Glocks.
Government will give itself a pass and shuffle this under the rug and the compliant corrupt media will not mention this incident again, and soon it will be as if it never happened.
Should a civilian concealed weapons permittee have suffered the identical lapse of their responsibilities, government will take great pleasure in dragging them though expensive legal hell and the press will keep the issue alive with urgent updates. Legislators will rush in front of the cameras to decry “so many guns”, etc. yada, yada.
“The gun, with one round in the chamber and 10 in the magazine, was found by a traveler last week on the back of a toilet seat beyond Transportation Security Administration checkpoints, according to a Denver police report.”
DEA doesn’t carry a 15-round mag — or would that be TOO heavy with a 45 cal?
Sounds to me like a citizen passed up an opportunity to get a free gun.
What kind of idiot walks around with a gun with a round in the chamber on a daily basis? Presumably the airport bathroom was not a high-hazard situation.
FBI standard issue used to be a Glock 23, which holds 13 rounds of 40 S&W. I don’t know of any .45’s that will hold more than 10 rounds.
Checklist, checklist, checklist.
In a life or death situation, will you have enough time to chamber a round?
"Keep Your Stall-Hook Out Of The Trigger Guard Until You Are Ready To Shoot Your HooHooDilly Off."
Presumably the airport bathroom was not a high-hazard situation.
What kind of idiot goes to the trouble of carrying a pistol regularly and doesn't bother to load it? Your weapon was DESIGNED to be carried with a round chambered.
Presumably the airport bathroom was not a high-hazard situation.
Presumably, you just DON'T KNOW what will turn out to be a hazardous situation.
Carry in a shoulder rig.
FBI used to carry in shoulder rigs for years - in part, to deal with this exact problem.
The full size Glock 21 holds 13 rounds in the mag.
Shoulder rigs are great if you wear a jacket ... not sure how to conceal one under a polo-shirt.
Poor training and/or lack of gray matter between the ears is the main cause of negligent discharges involving any firearm. Brand of firearm has little to do with anything, other than excuse making by the incompetent and their enablers.
And please refrain from using the misleading term “accidental discharge”. It makes the event seem so benign and without a proximate cause. Negligent discharge, ND, is the preferred terminology.
You carry a 1911 with a round in the chamber and the hammer down?
Sounds like a Glock model 30. Its standard mag is 10 rounds, but it can hold the larger-capacity mag of the Glock Model 21.
Sorry. Didn’t mean to start a Holy War. Especially with armed adversaries!
Thanks, I had only seen or noticed “accidental discharge” before.
“What kind of idiot walks around with a gun with a round in the chamber on a daily basis?”
I had to think about that one for a while and eventually at first was willing to give a COP a pass on it for being able to have 11 rounds at the ready.
Until I realized if that was the cop’s motivation, then they should/would have had a SIXTEENTH round chambered if they would use a 15-round magazine.
So in answer to your question, I’m guessing it’s an IGNORANT, NEGLIGENT idiot who walks around on a regular basis with a round chambered.
I don’t even like to LOAD the 5th or 6th round in a revolver, so I don’t have to worry about the one all set to go.
Unless my belly tells me to, of course.
It is NOT too hard to drop one’s trousers and lower the “rig” to the floor, when using a commode—be sure to clean the area first. (Or to learn to use the zip fly when pissing at a urinal. I laugh when I find an HG on top of a urinal. I make the gun owner wait until I am through—it really pisses me off when they don’t “Hey, I am busy here!”).
For those of us who carry every day and want to eliminate the risk of misplacing one’s weapon, we adopt the practice of NEVER removing the weapon from the holster unless justified. Relieving oneself is not grounds for drawing the weapon and/or losing control of it.
Those who feel the need to unholster need to reevaluate their carry rig or mode of carry (better belt, better holster, different holster, pack, ... )
Thank you for the education.
Please excuse my ignorance.
So I can understand a cop wanting 10% more firepower, but a cop smart enough to think that through shouldn’t be giving away free firearms in airport restrooms.
Throwing the term "idiot" around on an internet forum, amongst intelligent and educated folks who do the very thing you're calling "idiotic", is a superb way to start a "holy war".
“In a life or death situation, will you have enough time to chamber a round?”
Yes, thanks to a couple of other posts, I’m willing to give a responsible cop a pass on chambering a round.
Unfortunately, though, this cop wouldn’t qualify.
I guess we all have our own definition of readiness. Without a round in the chamber, you’re carrying around a small club. If you are not comfortable carrying with a round in the chamber, get some training until you are.
When defending yourself with deadly force is merited, if your firearm is not loaded, you are assuming a) that you’ll have time to rack the slide b) that you will have full use of both hands/arms to rack the slide c) that you’ll have presence of rational mind to rack the slide rather than pointing an unloaded firearm at the bad guy, pulling the trigger and wondering why it does not go bang.
At that point, you’re probably better off pulling out the knife.
“The gun, with one round in the chamber and 10 in the magazine...”
I can't begin to imagine the pucker factor when your "belly" fails to tell you to load those other two rounds and your firearm goes "click, click" while the need for the firearm likely escalates. Fun times...
Its a practical problem for all CCW folks who carry a (fairly) heavy pistol concealed on their belt. What to do with it in the john? Drop trou with the pistol on the belt, too heavy, hard to do.
Hanging it on the door puts it up for grabs.
Thank you for posting exactly what my thoughts are.
In addition, many commercial fixtures like sinks and towel dispensers are deliberately designed with rounded or sloping tops so hothing can be laid on top (and forgotten) by restroom users.An amazing number of watches,rings,etc. are left behind in bathrooms.Ask any cleaning company or janitor.
5.11 makes tactical pants for women that have a drop seat because of the patrol belt restroom problem... Sounds like a good solution for the guys, too.
I'd just like to applaud this writer for saying 'round' and 'magazine' instead of 'bullet' and 'clip.'
All of us who carry 1911-style firearms. The 1911 is designed to be carried with a round in the chamber and the safety on.
Better question. What kind of idiot doesn’t? If you’re gonna carry, be ready to use your weapon.
I don’t carry often, but I always have a round chambered. I want a physical safety, though, not some Glock nonsense.
ParaOrdnance sells P-12s that hold 12 in the magazine and P-14s that hold 14 in the magazine. You can also get extended magazines that hold 15 rounds or more for single-stack 1911s, however all that I've tried tend to jam instead of feeding properly.
Not unless it’s an extended mag. the full-sized .40 glock Glock 22) holds 15 in a standard capacity mag, but the .45ACP Glock 21 holds 13, while the more compact Glock 30 holds 10. For concealed carry, I’m betting it was the 10+1 round Glock 30.
Waiting until you need the weapon to rack the slide is just stupid. It may look cool in movies, but it will get you killed in the real world.
“Hey bad guy, wait right there while I load a round to shoot you with”, does not work.
Whether a Glock, a 1911, or a Springfield XD, always carry with one in the pipe. To do otherwise will result in being in second place, with bad results.
And if your worried about shooting yourself? Better get better training if your a CHL carrier.
“I can’t begin to imagine the pucker factor when your “belly” fails to tell you to load those other two rounds and your firearm goes “click, click” while the need for the firearm likely escalates. Fun times...”
With a chuckle and no offense intended....
I think you might not have put quotes around my “belly” if you’d gotten my reference to John Wayne in “The Shootist”.
“Waiting until you need the weapon to rack the slide is just stupid. It may look cool in movies, but it will get you killed in the real world.”
I’m not a carrier, but I can understand chambering it if one is, and certainly for a cop, as I posed earlier. If I’m going to the trouble to take my weapon out of the drawer/safe, I figure I’ve got time to chamber a round.
My personal preference, I don’t think it warrants being called stupid.
I carry EVERY day and my Glock 23 is not “nonsense”. I carry in a PROPER holster, so the need for additional safeties seems pointless. Even the passive trigger safety seems like overkill.
I’ve seen more M1911-related negligent discharges than I’ve seen for Glocks, but Glocks are far more prevalent in the shooting community (especially police) than 1911-pattern firearms. That would explain the seemingly-high rate of Glock-owner negligence.
Damn we got a lot in common.
Thanks, I’ve been schooled now.