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Disappointing Debates : Neither Man Offers Smaller Government
National Review ^ | 10/24/2012 | Michael Tanner

Posted on 10/24/2012 6:57:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 10/24/2012 6:57:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I think Mitt offered a lot of ideas for smaller government. A liberal wouldn’t be able to recognize a proposal for smaller government however.


2 posted on 10/24/2012 6:59:47 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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These days you’re mighty insensitive if you suggest that government should not ‘guarantee’ everyone a ‘safe’ path through life. How this largesse is to be created, no one is certain. But the average American is convinced, just as the average European was fifty years ago, that life should proceed without risk.


3 posted on 10/24/2012 7:04:39 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: SeekAndFind
Government WILL be smaller w/o enforced Obamacare; just for starters. Fewer regs on small business; and better tax MO will help as well.

But 'WHATEVER'. . .this election is a choice for America to save itself from the vision of Marx/Alynsky/Mao 'et al'; by choosing that which is closer to George Washington/John Adams and Abraham Lincoln. . .and Ronald Reagan.

. . .and maybe even John F. Kennedy.

Come National Review. . .move on and 'up' FOR America. Our best and 'only' alternative is clear.

4 posted on 10/24/2012 7:15:43 AM PDT by cricket (The Middle Class: Thanks to Obama; those who have not yet been 'buried'; are now; shovel ready..)
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To: SeekAndFind
Government WILL be smaller w/o enforced Obamacare; just for starters. Fewer regs on small business; and better tax MO will help as well.

But 'WHATEVER'. . .this election is a choice for America to save itself from the vision of Marx/Alynsky/Mao 'et al'; by choosing that which is closer to George Washington/John Adams and Abraham Lincoln. . .and Ronald Reagan.

. . .and maybe even John F. Kennedy.

Come on, National Review. . .move on and 'up' FOR America. Our best and 'only' alternative is clear.

5 posted on 10/24/2012 7:15:59 AM PDT by cricket (The Middle Class: Thanks to Obama; those who have not yet been 'buried'; are now; shovel ready..)
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To: SeekAndFind

You don’t dare tell government workers you are going to fire them until after they vote you into office!


6 posted on 10/24/2012 7:21:13 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: SeekAndFind

Romney has to win Ohio and pull soccer moms. It’s regrettable that he can’t tell the truth and win, but that’s the fact.


7 posted on 10/24/2012 7:22:35 AM PDT by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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Romney has to win Ohio and pull soccer moms. It’s regrettable that he can’t tell the truth and win, but that’s the fact.,

If that statement is true, and I believe it is, then we have already lost the republic. We are now complicit in relegating our children to deal with the problem, rather than doing what must be done today, and I'm not 100% sure what that is.

8 posted on 10/24/2012 7:37:01 AM PDT by BillGunn (Bill Gunn for Congress district one rep. Massachusetts)
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A liberal wouldn’t be able to recognize a proposal for smaller government however.

An interesting header, really. Agree that a Lib would not 'get it'; no matter what. But who would imagine that Obama would be competing against Mitt; by offering a plan for 'smaller government'. So as well; the "NEITHER" per title; is surprising; or at the least; puzzling.

9 posted on 10/24/2012 7:37:53 AM PDT by cricket (The Middle Class: Thanks to Obama; those who have not yet been 'buried'; are now; shovel ready..)
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To: throwback

“It’s regrettable that he can’t tell the truth and win, but that’s the fact.”

Unfortunately, that is now true in every political race from the Courthouse to the White House. If you follow the results, the candiidate who ultimately wins is the one that promises the most freebies to whomever votes for him/her.


10 posted on 10/24/2012 7:44:49 AM PDT by sport
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To: throwback

Neither of these guys would know the truth if it bit them on the butt.


11 posted on 10/24/2012 7:45:51 AM PDT by stroll
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To: SeekAndFind

A smaller government is not something that can be created by the POTUS, though he can help, but by congress. And it is going to be all sorts of interesting, now that the Democrat-RINO big government coalition has been weakened, what the new Tea Party Republicans are going to be able to accomplish.

Probably the most important position right now is what will the Republican senate majority leader do. If he pays back the Democrats for the abuse Harry Reid dumped on the Republicans, leaving the Democrats powerless for once, then there will likely be some serious government reductions.

The next most important jobs will be the chairmen of the senate and house judiciary committees, to keep federal judges from preserving the big government status quo.

Next will be the house appropriations committee, which actually creates the real budget. Right now, its chairman is the relatively unknown Hal Rogers, from Kentucky. Not particularly fiscally conservative.

He is not particularly liked by the Tea Party, but when the chairmanships are decided, there is going to be a major brawl over who gets this job.


12 posted on 10/24/2012 7:47:45 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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I agree. All may still be lost. I don’t see Romney as the solution to the problem, but only the possibility of the beginning of a solution. That’s why I pray.


13 posted on 10/24/2012 7:51:32 AM PDT by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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If Romney begins to reduce the government by Czar of (god only knows what, etc.) I’d be happy.


14 posted on 10/24/2012 8:19:38 AM PDT by vwbug
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Good point SAF but it will be lost here...80% of freeperdom has already drank the koolaid

Romney is now infallible, brilliant in debates even if he stumbles and will likely become someone difficult to criticize here soon enough just like Bush, Palin , Cain etc...

this is I suppose human nature but in the case of Romney it's hard to swallow

Romney is a liberal period. Not a Socialist like Obama and he loves this country but he is a liberal.

we all watched this unfold and now it's here

I am voting for him, his sign is in my front lawn but I am under no illusions about him or his advisers...Gillespie...Yoda

we will be flooded with more social moderates in a few weeks and the sound and fury will drown out objectivity like it always does

i am not sure where it all goes this time...will JR allow dissent on Romney?

I cannot see JR doing a complete 180 on Mitt.

I think we will have to battle Mitt same as we did Bush over amnesty...and that was plenty blood here too btw...my own ...for a year.

I just don't buy the Romney is brilliant game...folks are simply sick of the Socialist

15 posted on 10/24/2012 8:28:29 AM PDT by wardaddy (my wife prays in the tanning bed....guess what region i live in...ya'll?)
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To: SeekAndFind

When you are talking to low information voters as Mitt was doing in the third debate, the concept of small and limited govt will fly over their heads.


16 posted on 10/24/2012 8:30:01 AM PDT by libh8er
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Mark Levin is not one who has drank the Romney koolaid. However, even he tells people to vote Romney... if only to stop the Obama madness.

Levin claims that unlike Obama, Romney CAN be TAMED by Republican Tea Party activists and PULLED BACK from big government programs by the conservative wing. Obama is a lsot cause.

Baby steps... as they used to say.


17 posted on 10/24/2012 8:32:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Bingo. Republicans should not act suprised when Romney acts like a liberal.


18 posted on 10/24/2012 8:42:54 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus (I won't vote for Romney, period. Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is still voting for evil.)
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"Republicans should not act suprised when Romney acts like a liberal. "

But to them 'he's our liberal' so then it's OK.

19 posted on 10/24/2012 8:51:28 AM PDT by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: vwbug

There is a whole litany of ways in which the office of the presidency needs to be pruned.

While czars are annoying, perhaps the most troubling are the clearly unconstitutional Presidential Signing Statements, that usurp power from both congress and the judiciary. They are slowly provoking a constitutional crisis.

Second, the presidency has been ignoring the War Powers Act and the Posse Comitatus Act for far too long. Doing this is a serious threat to the country. We don’t need a president who can willfully start a secret war without congress, or use soldiers against American citizens.

Presidential proclamations used to be unimportant things, but since Teddy Roosevelt, have been used to nationalize huge tracts of state lands, mostly West of the Mississippi. Not only does this have to stop, but the vast majority of these lands have to be returned.

Along with czars, the abusive use of recess appointments has to stop as well. Congress must strictly limit the amount of time in office of such an appointment to that of the actual congressional recess. As soon as it ends, the president must either submit them or someone else to the senate for confirmation.

Every US president since Eisenhower, and even earlier, has recreated a disaster plan by which they would have to take absolute control over the US as a dictator. This needs to stop.


20 posted on 10/24/2012 8:54:58 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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