Posted on 10/25/2012 7:15:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
>The complete and true pro life position is that abortion is never justified for any reason, ever.
Maybe for 1.2e-12% of the population.
Since we are talking absolutes, the only life in real danger would be the person trying to enforce it when a loved ones life is in danger due to pregnancy.
Your view of pro-life enforcement as something that would happen prior to an emergency lifesaving surgery being attempted, is unnecessarily alarming, because that's not the way it happens.
A little knowledge of the pre-Roe state-by-state history is useful here.
Which is ALL that has to be said. There is no additional information that needs conveying.
Which is ALL that has to be said. There is no additional information that needs conveying.
Which is ALL that has to be said. There is no additional information that needs conveying and there is no ommission.
“..when a loved ones life is in danger due to the pregnancy...”
Sorry - I agree, I just sort of assumed that everyone realizes that and my “not justified ever” statement was unclear. However, when the mother’s life is in danger, the abortion is not in the same category as simply murdering the child, the loss of the the baby is considered an unintentional consequence of saving the mother’s life - this is a delicate nuance but morally there is a difference. Of course this should happen if the mother’s life is in danger -
“...all that needs to be said...”
I agree, however we will get asked “what about rape and incest?” and we need to be able to answer honestly and completely. Might as well get it all out there! People will have to get used to this information - even if they don’t like it at first - Thinking/intelligent people will eventually see that “no exceptions except life of the mother” is the only way to deal with this without a double standard arising to cause confusion.
There are any number of things a politician can say.
The most simple is:
___ Every life has value, no matter how it was conceived.
There are many others others:
___ Two wrongs do not make a right.
___ The conceived child is not guilty of anything. Punish the rapist not the child
You could also point out that out of the very small number of women who conceive due to rape, the majority opt to cary the child to term. Therefore we are focussing too much attention on a very very small number of cases rather than the 99.9% of cases of abortion in other circumstances.
If one really wanted to save as many lives as possible, one would focus on the other situations and in the rape situations work to change not the law but to provide a great deal of support and help to the extremely small number of women who find themselves in that very difficult situation. Since it is such an extremely small number, it would not cost that much to have a public restitution program that was very generous. Also the rapist should forfeit all assets acquired up to the time of the crime and a high percentage of any future pay to go into this fund.
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In short, there are hundreds and hundreds of responses that would be 100% pro-life but would not alienate women, sound stupid or insensitive and be completely unnecessary to say.
It really is not that hard.
For politicians, write down 2 or 3 of these not so hard responses and memorize them. Have practice sessions where you have mock journalists trying to “gotcha” on the subject. Politicians do this all the time to prepare for debates, prepare for town halls etc.
It is really NOT HARD to have a 100% pro-life comment ready and to use it. For people who cannot handle such a simple task, they should not be in politics. Even good intentioned stupid people can drag down everyone on their side and hurt the pro-life cause.
I agree with you that when the mother’s life is in danger the abortion is not in the same category as murdering an innocent child, however, I believe the mother should also still be free to decide whether she wants to risk her life and not terminate the pregnancy.
“...I believe the mother should also still be free to decide whether she wants to risk her life and not terminate the pregnancy...”
I totally agree with you - those women who choose this path are exceptional, saintly and a true inspiration to us all. Saint Gianna Beretta Molla is an example of such a woman - ora pro nobis St. Gianna!
That would work great in a religious discussion. In politics, it is a losing proposition. Just ask Joe Miller, Doug Hoffman , Sharron Angle, Christine O’Donell, Ken Buck or JD Hayworth how much they can help push forward the pro-life agenda.
In politics, winning is everything, losing means you have zero power to push any agenda.
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