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[CT] State Police Getting New .45-Caliber Pistols
The Hartford Courant ^ | October 24, 2012 | DAVE COLLINS

Posted on 10/25/2012 10:57:02 AM PDT by Daffynition

HARTFORD — Connecticut state police have criminals to thank for footing the $280,000 bill for replacing their 16-year-old pistols with new, more powerful handguns.

The entire cost of the 1,250 new .45-caliber Sig Sauer P220 pistols is being paid for with money and other assets seized during federal and state investigations of drug dealers and other criminals, under the federal asset forfeiture program, state police spokesman Lt. J. Paul Vance said.

(Excerpt) Read more at courant.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: banglist; connecticut
Nice weapon. Only the *finest* for our *finest*.

*Thanks* ....to all the bad-guys for footing the bill.

Connecticut's state police are criminals in their own right, with their padded pensions This fits.


1 posted on 10/25/2012 10:57:02 AM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

The great return to the .45. It just does not have a replacement.


2 posted on 10/25/2012 11:01:14 AM PDT by bmwcyle
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To: Daffynition

Why didn’t they get those Colt Rail Guns like the ones the Marines are buying? For what, maybe $100 more they could have a pistol made in CT. Don’t get me wrong, I like SIG. My PDW is a P226, but when a .45 is appropriate I’ll only roll with a 1911.


3 posted on 10/25/2012 11:13:12 AM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: bmwcyle

“The great return to the .45. It just does not have a replacement.”

Most LEO’s are opting for the Sig Sauer P229 in .40 S&W. About the same firepower but you get a mag that holds twelve instead of seven.


4 posted on 10/25/2012 11:16:15 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: bmwcyle

.45 ACP. When you care enough to send the very best.


5 posted on 10/25/2012 11:25:37 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Daffynition

Unfortunately a lot of the “drug seizures” are not anything of the sort. Most is just money stolen from people that happened to be carrying too much cash when stopped and searched by the cops. It cost at least $5,000 to go to court to prove that the money was not the result of criminal activity so most people don’t bother unless it’s over that amount. This is a good example of why the seizure laws encourage cops to go out and seize even more, the more they take the more toys they can buy.


6 posted on 10/25/2012 11:26:54 AM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: Daffynition

7 posted on 10/25/2012 11:27:05 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Daffynition

any idea what ammo they’ll be issued?


8 posted on 10/25/2012 11:42:38 AM PDT by mainevet (Get an M1911 or two or three or four)
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To: Daffynition

So let me make sure I understand.

Gubment employees directly, personally benefiting from assets siezed from private citizens. I know that it is very difficult if not impossible to fight the gubment in these cases. Especially with the relatively small amount of money involved. It can be easier and safer to simply move on with life rather than go to court in asset seizure cases.

As a small government conservative I think you have lost your mind to cheer on gubment union thugs who steal assets from private citizens and directly personally benefit. What are we The Mexican Republic now? I like my gubment weak and polite. I like my cops the same way.

So do you care to expand on your high opinion of gubment asset seizure? How can you possibly rectify your view with a small government conservative view of what government is? Care to explain?


9 posted on 10/25/2012 11:48:44 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: Daffynition

SIG 220 .45, a top-of-the-line item. Well, at least the CT police won’t be able to blame a poor performace on their sidearms.


10 posted on 10/25/2012 11:50:16 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Daffynition
.45-caliber Sig Sauer P220

Excellent firearm. should serve them well

11 posted on 10/25/2012 11:59:57 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Daffynition

The police are selling the public their fake story about how they done good and now are being rewarded with new toys.

The truth is a good many of these “assets seizures” are not contested by good citizens who found themselves in the sights of criminal LEO, whose avarice leads them to concoct probable cause and then seizing other peoples property for the sole purpose of getting new bling.

I don’t like the asset forfeiture for its abuse alone.


12 posted on 10/25/2012 12:03:53 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: DariusBane

According to more than a few “conservatives” big, oppressive, overbearing government is just fine when it is aimed at “those people” who do things the authoritarians don’t approve of. They themselves, of course, are very high and mighty and big government would never dare turn its sights on them.


13 posted on 10/25/2012 12:23:32 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: atomic_dog

Think of the reliability of your P226 (mine has over 50,000rnds through it) with the power of the .45ACP cartridge. The M1911 just doesn’t come close in reliability and many, many 1911 enthusiests admit this.

The P220 is the best of both worlds if you’re a .45ACP guy.


14 posted on 10/25/2012 12:34:14 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Daffynition
paid for with money and other assets seized during federal and state investigations of drug dealers and other criminals

In brief, the pistols are being paid for with money stolen by the police.

15 posted on 10/25/2012 12:43:29 PM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: SJSAMPLE

Manual of arms is much simpler on the SIG composted to the 1911. That’s important for police, many of whom are not big shooting enthusiasts.


16 posted on 10/25/2012 12:44:02 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Manual of arms is much simpler on the SIG composted to the 1911. That’s important for police, many of whom are not big shooting enthusiasts.


17 posted on 10/25/2012 12:44:17 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: atomic_dog

I’ve carried both, I never was completely comfortable with cocked and locked.


18 posted on 10/25/2012 12:46:19 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: DariusBane

Haha, doubt you will get a good answer to that.


19 posted on 10/25/2012 12:48:02 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: dangerdoc

It’s isn’t possible to beat a 45 although I think I would rather have the 1911.

Carrying a 45 requires a large holster or I would carry one concealed but concealed is difficult and I think uncomfortable with the 45. I carry instead a tiny 9mm. It is a small gun with a small bullet but it is easy to have ALL the time. A personal carry gun is only good if you carry it and I know too many people who have relegated their 45’s to the night stand.

Why is it that the confiscation of assets of criminals goes to the police department, why doesn’t it go to the general fund?

We need to get rid of the incentive of cops to bust somebody in the hope of making the dept money.


20 posted on 10/25/2012 12:56:35 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: Jack Black

Agreed.
It’s hard to screw up with a SIG and a decocking lever.
Too many people make the mistake of trying to drop the hammer on a 1911.


21 posted on 10/25/2012 1:01:33 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: JAKraig

I’m not a .45 guy, but check out the Springfield XDS.
It’s a single-stack .45 compact that approximates a Colt Commander and uses the XD-series striker system.


22 posted on 10/25/2012 1:03:58 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: vette6387

Fairfax, Va did a study of human wounds of .40 vs .45. The .45 did do more damage.


23 posted on 10/25/2012 1:31:00 PM PDT by bmwcyle
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To: JAKraig
Carrying a 45 requires a large holster or I would carry one concealed but concealed is difficult and I think uncomfortable with the 45. I carry instead a tiny 9mm. It is a small gun with a small bullet but it is easy to have ALL the time. A personal carry gun is only good if you carry it and I know too many people who have relegated their 45’s to the night stand.

Have you considered the variety of 1911 based compact carry .45 pistols from Kimber, Springfield or Sig Sauer? I personally prefer the Sig Ultra, it conceals better than my Glock 26, much more comfortable and yes, that does lend to always carrying.

24 posted on 10/25/2012 2:21:00 PM PDT by cidrasm
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To: JAKraig

I carried a combat commander conceiled for about 6 years. It is actually not too bad to hide, it is thinner than some of the 9mm pistols that people are using for CC now. It fit into a small inside the belt holster.

I had a friend that had a concealed 12 gauge pump shotgun, full stock, short barrel.


25 posted on 10/25/2012 2:31:32 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: dangerdoc
I’ve carried both, I never was completely comfortable with cocked and locked.

Roger that. Biggest reason I got rid of my 1911 after 4 years. It was a good shooter but...

I just love my P220, I have the short barrel version and it's nice to be able to be DA/SA with a cocking lever.

26 posted on 10/25/2012 3:20:05 PM PDT by China Clipper ( Animals? Sure I like animals. See? There they are, right next to the potatoes!)
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To: pierrem15

...and automobiles, cash, real estate.


27 posted on 10/25/2012 6:04:46 PM PDT by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: trapped_in_LA

Without trial, conviction, or even indictment. Poof! Gone.


28 posted on 10/25/2012 6:06:21 PM PDT by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: SJSAMPLE
The M1911 just doesn’t come close in reliability and many, many 1911 enthusiests admit this.

This is blasphemy. The M1911 killed more krauts, nips, norks,chinks and gooks than any other hand gun around. If it was good enough for my old man(Korea) it is good enough for the police.

29 posted on 10/25/2012 6:10:37 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: atomic_dog
I have no knowledge or experience with the Sig; but I saw this comment on a gun forum:

The P220 was designed and built originally as 9mm pistol. That was Sig's primary platform in the 1970s, and they modified the pistol to shoot .38 Super and .45acp. Although the grip portion of the P220 .38 and .45 were changed to accomidate the larger calibers, the slide kept the original 9mm external dimensions in order to share a common holster and parts.

By keeping the same external dimensions, the slide lacked the space in order to increase its mass to better absorb recoil. Instead, Sig just added a stronger recoil spring which will absorb more recoil, but it also slams the slide forward with more force. So, takedown levers are a common thing to break on P220s, in addition to cracked slides and firing pin position pins on the stamped slide models. The other issues are the extractor which tends to wear out quickly, and less than optimal feeding characteristics. If you have ever cycled your P220 by hand, you will notice that its feeding characteristics are poor in comparison to 9mm, .40, or .357sig models. The feed ramp is steep, and the magazine is positioned too low in the grip. This results is cartridges stripping off the magazine and sliding up the ramp at too steep of an angle resulting in malfunction, or the cartridge will simply pop loose of the magazine feed lips resulting in the cartridge fliping out of alignment of the chamber or just free hanging while it waits for the slide to slam home on it. In the case of the free hang, if your P220 is not positioned straight up and down then the cartridge will literally role/fall out of alignment with the chamber. Since cartridges do not smoothly slide up the breech face and into the extractor claw on the P220, a cartridge must push the extractor aside in order to get the claw to grip. This will wear out the extractor faster, or break it under the right conditions.

Broken parts cannot be helped. You just replace them before they break on you. The other malfunctions can be helped by replacing springs and extractors on a regular basis. Usually, that schedule is at around the 3000rd mark or every 2yrs of regular use on the .45acp P220. The manufacturer says 5000rds or every 3yrs of regular use, but at least for my agency we would start experiencing the above problems before that recommended service schedule. Given all the available .45acp pistols on the market, I would not choose a P220 for service use. It is a nice collectors gun, but there are better options now days. We have run 9mm, .40S&W, and .45acp Sigs since the early 1990s. Without any doubt, the P220 .45acp models are our most problematic. A growing trend with LE agencies that decide to adopt .45acp is that they end up training less, and thus shooting less. With less ammo capacity in the pistol, and more expensive ammunition, they naturally slow down their training schedule. This is how you get some departments that will say they have no problems with their P220s, and others that say they are garbage(mostly SWAT and other high volume shooters).

30 posted on 10/25/2012 6:13:35 PM PDT by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: mainevet

Sorry, I don’t know. I’ll try to find out.


31 posted on 10/25/2012 6:16:11 PM PDT by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: DariusBane

I thought my inclusion of the shameful indictment of the staties I included would explain where I stand better than a /sarc tag.


32 posted on 10/25/2012 6:21:57 PM PDT by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: DariusBane

“...How can you possibly rectify your view with a small government conservative view of what government is?...”

Most conservatives are NOT in favor of smaller government, they are perfectly happy with the ever increasing military/police state except when it personally inconveniences them or when the “wrong” party is in power.


33 posted on 10/25/2012 6:47:05 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: Daffynition

I saw that. I was responding to all the bed wetters drooling over tech specs of the weapon in question. You and I have tag teamed the statist boot lickers in the past. Should not have addressed it to you except you were the poster.


34 posted on 10/25/2012 7:12:04 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: DariusBane

I’m cool. Sending you a FReepmail.


35 posted on 10/25/2012 8:16:28 PM PDT by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: China Clipper

I would never recommend getting rid of the 1911 pistol, I recommend owning both!


36 posted on 10/26/2012 6:59:37 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: dangerdoc
I would never recommend getting rid of the 1911 pistol, I recommend owning both!

Roger that, but there was a little problem with the boss..... ;)

37 posted on 10/27/2012 1:40:55 PM PDT by China Clipper ( Animals? Sure I like animals. See? There they are, right next to the potatoes!)
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