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New tracked Stryker APC design unveiled at JBLM
The News Tribune ^ | October 24, 2012 | Adam Ashton

Posted on 10/25/2012 2:08:18 PM PDT by JerseyanExile

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The manufacturer of the eight-wheeled Stryker vehicles that make up the backbone of the Army’s fleet at Joint Base Lewis-McChord is unveiling new models of at a conference this week, including ones that would have run counter to their initial purpose as a rapidly deployable medium weight infantry carrier.

General Dynamics is pitching the new models as a path for the Army to improve its vehicle fleet without spending billions of dollars designing new options.

One of the new models is a tracked Stryker that weighs some 42 tons – 22 tons more than an off-the-floor, basic Stryker infantry carrier.*

That’s a significant turn from the Army’s call to create a lighter, wheeled vehicle when it launched the Stryker program and sent the first models to then-Fort Lewis a decade ago. The tracked model is intended to help General Dynamics win a contract to create the next Armored Multi-Purpose Vehicle, replacing M113 personnel carriers.

“It’s going to be quite a good offering for us,” tMike Cannon, senior vice president for ground combat systems at General Dynamics, told Shepard Media.

“And even if it doesn’t go as the AMPV solution we still believe that we needed a medium weight tracked vehicle in our portfolio. And this will be our first one…And it’s pretty slick looking,” he told Shephard’s Scott Gourley.

Reports from the conference show that Cannon is pitching the new Strykers as more fuel efficient than armored personnel carriers it would replace. National Defense Magazine reports that Strykers cost $18 per mile to operate compared to $45 per mile for the M113.

Lewis-McChord has about 900 Strykers for its three infantry brigades, the largest concentration of the vehicles in the Army. General Dynamics and the Army have redesigned the vehicle several times over the past decade of constant ground warfare in Iraq and Afghanistan, most recently by creating a slanted “double v hull” to deflect the impact of deadly buried bombs in Afghanistan.

In other Stryker news, the Army is considering placing more of the vehicles in Hawaii under the Pacific Command. The goal, reports the Honolulu Star-Advertiser, is to put them closer to where they might be needed for conflicts in the Pacific as the war in Afghanistan ends.

*An earlier version of this post misstated the weight of the tracked Stryker. It is estimated to be 84,000 pounds.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: defenseprocurement; generaldynamics; nationaldefense; usarmy
Well, looks like things have come full circle.
1 posted on 10/25/2012 2:08:27 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile
Pentagon Wars - Bradley Fighting Vehicle Evolution
2 posted on 10/25/2012 2:18:48 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: JerseyanExile

They could call it the SHINSEKI.


3 posted on 10/25/2012 2:35:43 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: JerseyanExile

I can’t believe that just going to tracks will add that much weight.
I suspect there are major armor improvements in this thing. The Israelis are going with heavy APC’s for survivability.


4 posted on 10/25/2012 2:43:43 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: blueunicorn6

And to think the M-8 AGS was already developed, approved for production, and Shinseki cancels it to adopt the Stryker POS. Perfect example of why the procurement system is corrupt and broken beyond repair.


5 posted on 10/25/2012 2:49:08 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: JerseyanExile

L8R


6 posted on 10/25/2012 3:05:54 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: JerseyanExile

My son is back at JBLM from Douchebagistan. He says the Strykers are used effectively. A tracked one that is more IED resistant could be useful.


7 posted on 10/25/2012 3:10:04 PM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: JerseyanExile
i'd still like to see this 30mm M1 looked into...

8 posted on 10/25/2012 3:32:38 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Tailback

General Shelton Chair Joint Chiefs in 2000 said:
The Chief of Staff’s revolutionary plan has not been free of criticism from other high-ranking Army officers. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Henry H. Shelton, who serves as the highest ranking officer in the entire US military, recently offered a note of caution concerning the Shinseki Transformation plan even while he continues to support its overall objectives.

I’m all in favor of increased agility, lethality and mobility...But there is a fundamental flaw in the logic that we can achieve this only at the expense of our 2-MTW capability. ... (which) allows us to meet our commitments to our allies. If we abandon our 2-MTW capability, we risk our own security and the security of our friends around the world.

General Shelton, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, June 16, 2000

General Shelton argued against allowing the Shinseki plan to do away with the ‘heavy’ forces from going too far to degrade or even eliminate the ability of the US Army to fight and win two simultaneous major theater wars (MTWs). Shelton stated that those who say the United States should
abandon its capability to fight two MTWs are wrong.

So what we get is the 1968 design that weighs 42 freaking tons? How is it possible to be better on fuel than prior?
This is one screwed up notion from the abject failure— Shinseki.


9 posted on 10/25/2012 4:02:16 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: JerseyanExile
Money spent on defensive weapons is a waste against our current enemies. As long as we refuse to let our military actually fight to win, I don't favor spending another dollar on thee toys.

Our fighting forces must look a lot like those little clay pipes, that move across the gallery in an arcade, to our enemies.

10 posted on 10/25/2012 4:24:09 PM PDT by itsahoot (Any enemy that is allowed to have a Kings X line, is undefeatable.)
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To: Chode

Interesting. Would be cool in a game, don’t know about real war scenario.


11 posted on 10/25/2012 5:12:05 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: PLMerite
it was looked at as an urban warfare assault vehicle, and where running over an an IED didn't stop it cold by killing one of only two tracks
12 posted on 10/25/2012 5:25:58 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode
The Abrams with a GAU-8 30mm gatling gun (like we have on the A-10) made its appearance in this 2004 FR thread. Bottom line, it's too long and big to fit on a turret and still work.

You CAN get a 30mm Bushmaster cannon on an Abrams (or a Stryker) that fires the same ammo at a lower rate. You can also get a GAU-19 .50 cal gatling gun on there.

I would like to see a Stryker with two or three internally-operated guns, like maybe a Bushmaster, a grenade launcher, and a gatling gun.

13 posted on 10/26/2012 5:14:26 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: PapaBear3625
For the weight, one would expect something a little heavier armed than just a remote weapons station. Heck, the Army could just rip off seek inspiration from the BMP-3 that weighs about 20 tons less. some_text

Let's see - the Russians managed to fit in a 100mm gun/anti-tank missle launcher, a co-axial 30mm automatic cannon, and three machine guns.

14 posted on 10/26/2012 8:12:28 AM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile
and air droppable too...
15 posted on 10/26/2012 2:48:39 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: PapaBear3625
i like the idea of four tracks so losing one doesn't put it out of commission, the guns can vary as to what works best, the striker on the other hand, should stick with wheels and with multi-gun systems maybe like the pic above
16 posted on 10/26/2012 2:53:01 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: blueunicorn6

Send them to every Embassy


17 posted on 10/26/2012 2:53:50 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Chode

is that a Vulcan cannon-type gun??


18 posted on 10/26/2012 3:18:47 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: John S Mosby

Shinseki, huh... we all know how the motor hogs are going to name it,,....the Sh*tski!


19 posted on 10/26/2012 3:22:01 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: GeronL
i believe the original concept was a 30mm like on the A10 but it's been said it's not feasible

i think a Vulcan would definitely suffice though...

20 posted on 10/26/2012 3:47:53 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

I’d like to see them build a concept vehicle


21 posted on 10/26/2012 4:50:55 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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me too... with the four tracks it would make it much more survivable in the urban environment and the Vulcan would kick azz!!!
22 posted on 10/26/2012 9:22:31 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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