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Social Security buys 174,000 hollow-point bullets
Cal Watchdog ^ | Oct. 25, 2012 | John Seiler

Posted on 10/25/2012 2:52:42 PM PDT by Haddit

“The Social Security Administration (SSA) confirms that it is purchasing 174 thousand rounds of hollow point bullets to be delivered to 41 locations in major cities across the U.S. No one has yet said what the purpose of these purchases is, though we are led to believe that they will be used only in an emergency to counteract and control civil unrest. Those against whom the hollow point bullets are to be used — those causing the civil unrest — must be American citizens; since the SSA has never been used overseas to help foreign countries maintain control of their citizens.”

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; socialsecurity; whatthehey
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1 posted on 10/25/2012 2:52:47 PM PDT by Haddit
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To: Haddit

None needed


2 posted on 10/25/2012 2:54:12 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: Haddit
This may be zero's death panels.

3 posted on 10/25/2012 2:55:28 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Haddit

So are they buying weapons to use them with or training their overweight sub genius staff to use them?

This is cover for weapons going overseas.


4 posted on 10/25/2012 2:55:47 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Haddit

I’ll be the Social Security Administration also has its own SWAT team.


5 posted on 10/25/2012 2:55:51 PM PDT by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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To: Haddit

” Those against whom the hollow point bullets are to be used — those causing the civil unrest — must be American citizens; since the SSA has never been used ....”

And we never had a Communist in the White House....


6 posted on 10/25/2012 2:56:06 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: Haddit

Haddit~: “ 174 thousand rounds of hollow point bullets to be delivered to 41 locations in major cities across the U.S. “

SocialSecurity will go to any EXTREME to prevent people from collecting thier SS checks.
I thought that is what Obamacare was for .. eliminate the numbers ?


7 posted on 10/25/2012 2:56:57 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Islam is a political organization which hides behind religious intolerance for others)
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To: Haddit

For the children.

Each bullet by Obama
will kill 50 children through their heads;
the Islamic Turkish way.


8 posted on 10/25/2012 2:57:24 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Haddit

Where will they be keeping them, IOW where is /are the armory/armories? Good to know when the SHTF.


9 posted on 10/25/2012 2:57:24 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Haddit

Somebody is expecting urban civil unrest and riots. Wonder why?


10 posted on 10/25/2012 2:58:40 PM PDT by ryan71
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To: ryan71

I wants my welfare check, fool!


11 posted on 10/25/2012 3:03:33 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Haddit
Gotta be for level 4 help desk guys, the ones that go in the field and 'troubleshoot' problems with 'customers'.

/johnny

12 posted on 10/25/2012 3:03:38 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Hey, hey, not so fast. I expect my first check in February.


13 posted on 10/25/2012 3:05:28 PM PDT by Haddit
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To: cripplecreek; stephenjohnbanker
"This is cover for weapons going overseas."

Or, it could be an advanced method of expediting the appeals process.
14 posted on 10/25/2012 3:05:54 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: ryan71
Somebody is expecting urban civil unrest and riots. Wonder why?

Because of QE3 the feds are printing $40 billion a month to keep the economy going until after the election. Oboma has to look good until then. After that, it's scorched earth all the way.

15 posted on 10/25/2012 3:06:30 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Haddit

Let’s see...hollow point bullets from a pistol. Okay.

Oldsters, who served in WW2, and often brought home their RIFLES (and maybe some of the nice black-tip provided by Uncle. Umm hmmm.

Seems to me that the SS folks ought to rethink their future actions.


16 posted on 10/25/2012 3:06:40 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (Why do blacks think that a half-white multi-millionairre really cares about them?)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

The article is repleat with error, as far as the use of HP bullets. As well as doing its best to sound like the anti-gun crowd of a few years back on the Black Talon bullet.

The Hague Convention on warfare
Declaration on the Use of Bullets Which Expand or Flatten Easily in the Human Body; July 29, 1899. Not the Geneva accords addresses HP/Soft Point ammo.

The us abides by it but never ratified it.


17 posted on 10/25/2012 3:07:35 PM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: Haddit

Wow, I’ve got a lot of shopping to do!


18 posted on 10/25/2012 3:08:16 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Haddit
President Obama’s actions to prevent senseless blood shed a la Benghazi in Social Security Offices all across America.

When will our military personnel be allowed live ammunition on our military bases? How many more Fort Hoods must we endure?

The world wants to know!

19 posted on 10/25/2012 3:08:41 PM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: Haddit
to be delivered to 41 locations in major cities across the U.S.

I'm betting they'll be diverted to some jihadist. I'm also betting all those other weapons and ammo that has been ordered are in some ME terrorist hands.

20 posted on 10/25/2012 3:08:49 PM PDT by bgill (Evil doers are in every corner of our government. Have we passed the time of no return?)
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To: Haddit

Not enough, and why does every government alphabet agency need a SWAT team, armament, etc.?


21 posted on 10/25/2012 3:10:15 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Haddit

Gives new meaning to the “death panels” for the elderly.


22 posted on 10/25/2012 3:14:30 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Haddit

Not this idiotic nonsense again.

SSA has armed agents (and has had them for decades) that investigate benefits fraud, which is often committed by unsavory types involved in other criminal activities and requires going into unsafe housing projects, etc.

HP bullets are routinely used by law enforcement. Better chance of dropping the target without passing through and hitting someone you’re not shooting at.


23 posted on 10/25/2012 3:15:14 PM PDT by Strategerist
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These bullets are not for the predictable riots that will arise when Emperor Nero Kardashian Narcissus loses. They will be for the tea party types that will rise up when there is beyond provable blatant fraud that keeps Obummer in office.


24 posted on 10/25/2012 3:17:21 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: Haddit

Ya never know what yur gonna run into on a house visit. Just consider some of the ‘hoods and barrios they have to go into to fulfill duties.. and ya never know about gRanny these days. that’s why TSA screens them so closely, I reckun. ;-)


25 posted on 10/25/2012 3:20:15 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Haddit

This is to put some steel (or lead) in the Death Panels. /S


26 posted on 10/25/2012 3:23:48 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Strategerist

I’m convinced, with the way ammo prices are rising, that if they simply invest in these rounds and hold them, that ALL Social Security commitments can be funded by selling them, say, by 2030.


27 posted on 10/25/2012 3:24:25 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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To: Ancesthntr

I have several uncles who served in WWII. As I have moved them all over that past few years, I’ve cleaned out their rooms at home. Each of them brought home German weapons. I asked one of them if they had a permit for them. One just looked at me and explained he had paid plenty for it.


28 posted on 10/25/2012 3:28:08 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (The dude abides.)
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To: Haddit

No one can give a satisfactory answer why SSA bureaucrats need to be armed.


29 posted on 10/25/2012 3:31:55 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Haddit
Hollow points are not allowed by any of three versions of the Geneva Conventions on Land Warfare. The US signed the second version and not the third version as many in the EU and elsewhere, in part due to definitions of combatants. Most Americans are presented the third version by the liberal MSM and say we are not following it, and of course they are correct in that we have only ratified the second version.

More to the point, e.g., the hollow point. Why would a government agency use hollow points since they are expensive and not as accurate as ball tipped ammo when used for target practice?

Of course, the .22 cal ammo is really just shade smaller than the .223 military ammo used in NATO designated as 5.56mm ammo (it is just the brass cartridge/power behind the round that is different. The point here is that NATO ammo is by law, e.g., international law under the GCs to be steel jacketed and not a mushrooming type ammo, nor should caliber larger than .50 cal or tracer/incendiary tipped rounds be directed against humans in the open directly. Rather tracers are for aiming or acquiring target distance and not the main round in the magazine.

Hollow point ammo should not be used on people and if local law enforcement is using this type round it perplexes me as to why they would do something forbidden by international agreements within our boarders, and make no mistake hollow points tear up meat when they tumble into the mass of a body of flesh and muscle.

It appears to this old soldier that their is a lot of nasty ammo out there in law enforcements hands Nationwide if it is true they are arming themselves with hollow points. Maybe the federal government needs to step in and ensure our citizens are protected to the extent that our soldiers are legally protected from being targeted by governmental employees at all levels of government from Fed to local from the recognized use (by international governments) of hollow point ammo.

30 posted on 10/25/2012 3:36:51 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: Haddit

The dumb asses...probably don’t have 1000 guns, let alone know where they are.


31 posted on 10/25/2012 3:38:16 PM PDT by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: Haddit

Maybe the SS administration has a new way of rejecting claims.


32 posted on 10/25/2012 3:40:58 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Haddit

Must be a lot of seniors out there the jest need shootin’!


33 posted on 10/25/2012 3:50:05 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Haddit

“Going postal” at the SSA by a resident drone? Oh, my!


34 posted on 10/25/2012 3:53:41 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Haddit

GENEVA CONVENTION....The US Military abides by the Geneva Convention, which bans the use of hollow points. Except for the rounds that snipers use, which is normally a 168gr/175gr BTHP.

Federal law enforcement does not. Every federal agent is issued hollow point ammunition, just like every other cop in the country. However, unlike state and local law enforcement agencies, the Feds use hollow points even in training, even though its cheaper to train and qualify with FMJ. They theorize that they should shoot the same exact ammo in training as they would on the street. As if anyone, could tell the difference. Especially your average federal agent.

As for each agency having guys to do things like warrants and SWAT teams. We all agree that the expansion of these agencies and their reach is ridiculous. Me, probably more than most, as I’ve seen them in action and worked alongside some of them. But, the SSA can’t go to the FBI, US Marshals or anyone else every time they need to search a place or lock someone up. Therefore, they justify all this by saying “WE” have to be able to do this stuff ourselves. Are they a bunch of bumbling fools and Jack Bauer wannabe’s? ABSOLUTELY. I’ve seen it firsthand and have shuddered and hidden behind large objects when I worked with them.

There is alot of competition and ‘weenie measuring’ between the agencies. Each one thinking they are more elite than the other. So, if Mr. SSA Agent goes to his local FBI or US Marshals office and asks for help, he/she will more than likely get put at the back of the line. As the other agencies have “Really Really Really Important” stuff going on.

As for the 174000 rounds. Seems like a lot and it is. But 174,000 sent to 41 locations isn’t all that much when you consider how much they have to qualify, train and supply for duty.

Unless my math is way off: 174000/41 = 4244+/-. Thats not a lot.

I don’t like it anymore than anyone else. Especially since I like to shoot and try and shoot competitively. But, I’m not good enough for a sponsor and I pay my own way. The costs have gone thru the roof.


35 posted on 10/25/2012 4:00:33 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: Haddit
This is the kind of thing I'm usually suspicious of, but SSA said as much, so it's hard to be skeptical now.

They have agents to investigate cases, and government agencies (FBI, ICE, DHS) are going in big for hollow point ammunition. This would be part of a larger government policy.

I guess the two questions to ask would be: 1) Is buying hollow points something new or a continuation of existing procurement policy? And 2) Why is ammunition that was long banned in wars between nations deemed acceptable for domestic use?

36 posted on 10/25/2012 4:03:55 PM PDT by x
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Maybe it’s not bureaucrats but the agents mentioned in post 23.


37 posted on 10/25/2012 4:11:07 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Haddit

If you have not visited a Social Security office, don’t be surprised if you are searched for weapons by an armed security guard.


38 posted on 10/25/2012 4:15:18 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Haddit

It’s that radical right wing Tea Party! Dern ‘em! Only they’re hard to find these days. They went largely underground after the Occupy Wall Street crowd started demonstrating. Dern ‘em! Those dad gummed Nazi flags they wuz wavin’ at those Tea Party rallies will have to be controlled! (Figments of Nazi Pelosi’s imagination.)


39 posted on 10/25/2012 4:16:04 PM PDT by Twinkie (PEOPLE ARE HURTING IN OBAMA'S ECONOMY . . .)
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To: Haddit

I’m not worried. That’s a short pallet of ammo. I and a few dozen friends have that much ourselves. I’m a community organizer.


40 posted on 10/25/2012 4:17:35 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: x

Hollow points are designed to expand on contact and thus, not over penetrate.

A Full Metal Jacket(FMJ) round, like the ones that the military uses, goes right thru someone. You can read accounts of soldiers shooting haj multiple times with seemingly no damage. The Green Tip round that is issued to the military is for armor penetration and is so fast that it goes thru people. Of course the wound cavity is devastating as the speed of the round does damage, but as I said, its more likely to go thru without expanding.

Hollow points are the standard round issued to pretty much every law enforcement agency in the United States.


41 posted on 10/25/2012 4:17:52 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: fwdude

Wow, I’ve got a lot of shopping to do!

Lol, I’ve already told the family, he wins I shop Nov 7th. College fund gone!!!


42 posted on 10/25/2012 4:30:31 PM PDT by lookout88 (.combat officer's dad)
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To: dsrtsage

These bullets are not for the predictable riots that will arise when Emperor Nero Kardashian Narcissus loses. They will be for the tea party types that will rise up when there is beyond provable blatant fraud that keeps Obummer in office.”

I hope your wrong, but hope is not a strategy. Every patriot needs a strategy right now.


43 posted on 10/25/2012 4:36:26 PM PDT by lookout88 (.combat officer's dad)
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To: Haddit

A man has been perp-walked and arrested at the behest of our Secretary of State for violations that wouldn’t have resulted in such measures without the intervention of The State Department. His crime was exercising the right of free speech. No one has questioned the right of our government to do such a thing.

A United States Congresswoman has been ignored in her efforts to investigate the trusted aide to this same Secretary of State that has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Our President and Secretary of State have been instrmental in the assassination or removal of Middle Eastern leaders after which Muslim extreme factions easily stepped into the vacancies.

Even before his election, our President wrote in his book that he would side with Muslims “if push comes to shove.” Four Americans who died without help in Benghazi to avoid upsetting Muslims is surely proof that Obama meant what he said.

A massive government takeover under the guise of a Healthcare Bill was pushed through even at the expense of our failing economy. A dumbed down, hedonistic, propogandized population produced by Hollywood and the media was ripe for the picking by a wannabe dictator and his followers.

It’s too bad that we have allowed our politicly correct, Liberal education system to rewrite or simply ignore history, especially that of the steps that lead to the utter destruction of great societies by totalitarian regimes. Otherwise, even our youth would have no doubt who Barrack Obama is, his plans for America and for whom all those bullets are intended.


44 posted on 10/25/2012 4:38:12 PM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: cripplecreek

could be the government is trying to make ammunition hard to find, guns without ammo are useless....


45 posted on 10/25/2012 4:49:15 PM PDT by goat granny (.)
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To: Haddit

From the book - “5000 Year Leap” - I quote - “The United States Government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people.....And that, when any government shall be found inadequate or contrary to these purposes, A Majority of the community hath an indubitable, inalienable, and indefeasible right to reform, alter, or abolish it, in such manner as shall be judged most conducive in the public weal. June 12, 1776.
We as Citizens are obligated to remove a Unconstitutional Government - ie: Revolution.


46 posted on 10/25/2012 4:50:19 PM PDT by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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To: Haddit

From the book - “5000 Year Leap” - I quote - “The United States Government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people.....And that, when any government shall be found inadequate or contrary to these purposes, A Majority of the community hath an indubitable, inalienable, and indefeasible right to reform, alter, or abolish it, in such manner as shall be judged most conducive in the public weal. June 12, 1776.
We as Citizens are obligated to remove a Unconstitutional Government - ie: Revolution.


47 posted on 10/25/2012 4:51:02 PM PDT by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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To: Haddit

In a completely unrelated story, 174,000 retirees are expected to become unqualified to receive benefits in 2013.


48 posted on 10/25/2012 5:10:14 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: shibumi

LOL!!


49 posted on 10/25/2012 7:01:39 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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