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TN voter ID law upheld; library card ruled OK
wsmv ^ | 10/25/2012 | AP

Posted on 10/25/2012 3:24:44 PM PDT by TennesseeGirl

MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) -- The Tennessee Court of Appeals has upheld the state's new law requiring voters to show photo identification at polling places and ruled that election officials must accept an ID issued by the Memphis library. (excerpted)

(Excerpt) Read more at wsmv.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Tennessee
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It overruled a lower court by finding that the library cards qualify as government-issued identification.

What the h*ll???

1 posted on 10/25/2012 3:24:49 PM PDT by TennesseeGirl
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To: TennesseeGirl

So they basically ruled that the state can require an ID but not a photo ID. Terrific.


2 posted on 10/25/2012 3:29:11 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: TennesseeGirl

Nationally, we should require a state issued ID and a US Passport to vote.


3 posted on 10/25/2012 3:29:10 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: TennesseeGirl

My Shelby County library card DOES NOT have a picture ID. I had to get a picture put on my DL........... Anyone can use that card. No address no picture.


4 posted on 10/25/2012 3:30:12 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Memphis Library cards have photos. That’s why they were accepted, they are “government issued” and have photos.


5 posted on 10/25/2012 3:32:17 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: TennesseeGirl

BTW, interesting that Memphis required a photo ID to check books out of the library, and there were no race riots


6 posted on 10/25/2012 3:33:42 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Blood of Tyrants; TennesseeGirl
"The court cited Tennessee case law in finding that the city of Memphis is a branch of the state, so the library card, which was redesigned this year to include a photo, is sufficient for proving identity.

"We note that the Voter Photo ID Act has created much controversy and aroused intense feelings among both its supporters and its detractors. The courts do not question the General Assembly's motives or concern themselves with the General Assembly's policy judgments," the opinion said.

Source

7 posted on 10/25/2012 3:34:21 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: TennesseeGirl

I’m reminded of a Happy Days episode where Richie tried to buy beer with a library card that he had written “age: 22” on it.


8 posted on 10/25/2012 3:34:44 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
BTW, interesting that Memphis required a photo ID to check books out of the library, and there were no race riots

Readin' is for rich folks.

9 posted on 10/25/2012 3:34:59 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Why do cops have more lenient ROEs when facing us than troops in combat facing suicidal islamists?)
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To: TennesseeGirl

a dog can get a library card in many communities


10 posted on 10/25/2012 3:35:37 PM PDT by faithhopecharity
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To: Coldwater Creek

They’ve been redesigned to have photos. Yours wouldn’t work, you’d need to get a new library card.

But I assume illegals and out of state people can get library cards so how do they prevent illegals?

Still better than nothing.


11 posted on 10/25/2012 3:36:53 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Uncle Slayton
Having a passport is a good idea. But, the Department of State would have to offer it for free (it's $140, I think).

And, they are totally unprepared for that kind of volume. When a passport was required for air travel to Mexico and the Caribbean a few years ago, they were overwhelmed. People waited months for their passport, and had to cancel vacations when they didn't arrive.

12 posted on 10/25/2012 3:37:35 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: TennesseeGirl

Memphis is 100% free stuff. The state should tell their mooch ass to get the hell out. Memphis is a hell hole, I wonder why...........


13 posted on 10/25/2012 3:38:51 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: DannyTN

I’m mostly worried about the dead! But, then without a Ford on the ballot, there wouldn’t be access to the funeral records LOL


14 posted on 10/25/2012 3:42:19 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: eyedigress

My guess is that that you live in East Tennessee! Very small parts of Memphis are Hell Holes as you put it.


15 posted on 10/25/2012 3:46:11 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: DannyTN

Considering that libraries often have to pay more than retail for books because publishers assume multiple users and, at least in an academic library it cost about $50-$75 dollars per-book in labor to get it cataloged and on the self libraries want you to have a VERIFIABLE address. Can they be faked? Yes. But you have to at least show a utilities bill or lease normally to get a library card. You can get the card fast but you need proof of residence


16 posted on 10/25/2012 3:47:57 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: TennesseeGirl
Here's the basis for the Courts ruling.

Basically they are taking the line that reads:
"Photo ID issued by the federal or any state government"
and saying that the Memphis Library system comes under the state government body section.

From the following:

CLICK

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“Showing a photo ID is not a significant intrusion or burden,” read the appeals court ruling written by Judge Andy D. Bennett, who decided the case along with Judges Richard H. Dinkins and D. Michael Swiney. Bennett cited photo ID requirements to board a plane, enter federal buildings and cash a check in upholding the state law.

“Photographic identification is probably the best way of making sure a voter is the person he or she claims to be,” Bennett added citing past U.S. Supreme Court rulings that the burden in terms of cost for such identification is not substantial.

State case law, he added, “supports finding that the city is a branch, department, agency or entity of this state” under past Tennessee Supreme Court rulings on that specific issue.
end snip


17 posted on 10/25/2012 3:49:10 PM PDT by deport
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To: Coldwater Creek

Like most cities there will parts where the residents like to shoot and cut up each other on a regular basis. Other areas life is good.


18 posted on 10/25/2012 3:51:10 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: Coldwater Creek

Like most cities there will be parts where the residents like to shoot and cut up each other on a regular basis. Other areas life is good.


19 posted on 10/25/2012 3:51:35 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: TennesseeGirl

Help me out here on some facts please, TennesseeGirl. My daughter’s roommate at Auburn down here in AL says she can’t vote. During the primary season she was not yet old enough. Now she has turned 18 but is living in the dorms in Auburn. Says she can’t vote in AL as she doesn’t really live here ie. permanent address. AND that Tennessee does not allow a first time voter to vote absentee and MUST vote in person.

That seems unfair. They are away at school, almost 300 miles, can’t come home on election day. I think that would affect many 18, 19, & maybe some 20 year old who would want to vote for the first time in a Presidential election. As we all know, many Americans skip the local, state and the mid-terms and mainly turn out for Presidential.

Has she be misinformed or is this the case in TN? If you know? Thanks,


20 posted on 10/25/2012 4:11:47 PM PDT by Qwackertoo (Romney/Ryan 2012 The Future of Our Children and Their Children are at stake.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
BTW, interesting that Memphis required a photo ID to check books out of the library, and there were no race riots.

(Untold joke here.)

21 posted on 10/25/2012 4:12:45 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (Muppet season now open - no bag limit)
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To: TennesseeGirl

The libraries are woefully understaffed and their overworked staffs were forced to take an across the board pay cut. Nevertheless, because of the corrupt Democrats who want to steal elections Memphis made a snap decision to spend in excess of $100,000 to get photo id equipment in the library branches. It all happened in about a week. And it’s an outrage. The libraries don’t have the manpower to manage issuance of new library cards for thousands of non-reading patrons. The libraries are not equipped to do more than minimal identity verification, which is fine when you are talking about checking out a book, but it’s altogether different when you are talking about an identification card that will be used for voting. The libraries and librarians aren’t to blame here. It’s the corrupt liberal fools running the City of Memphis. Typical!


22 posted on 10/25/2012 4:16:50 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: justlurking

But wasn’t the legal age for beer 18 back then? And I bet especially in Milwaukee!

Sometimes Hollywood writers just don’t use facts.


23 posted on 10/25/2012 4:20:03 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useful idiots.)
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To: Qwackertoo
Click the below registration form which basically states she can register before 18 but the 1st vote must be in person or the registration form hand delivered.

My guess is she missed the opt back during semester breaks assuming she was in TN at some point. http://www.tn.gov/sos/election/forms/ss-3010.pdf

24 posted on 10/25/2012 4:20:37 PM PDT by deport
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To: Qwackertoo
Clickable link.... sorry about that.
25 posted on 10/25/2012 4:27:22 PM PDT by deport
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To: deport

Thanks, I’ll mention it to my daughter tonight to share with her roommate. Maybe she misunderstood. I’ll ask IF she registered in person. They moved in back in early August but I’m not sure exactly when she turned 18, I’m guessing at least before Sept 1 as that is the cut-off date, I believe for 1st grade . . . but IF it was 18 between moving to college and now . . . it would have been impossible to register in person as they only come home on a Friday evening and return on Sunday. I hope she can vote. She is really upset and disappointed at not being able to.

On a happier note, my very conservative and very Republican daughter requested her absentee ballot via mail last Wednesday and received hers back yesterday and she is mailing it back today. Also a first time voter. I think she had to go get a xerox copy of her photo i.d. to include (driver’s license) and get two of the roommates to sign the affidavit that was included. She said many pieces of paper, three envelopes, etc. I told her to BE SURE and put plenty of stamps on it. :)


26 posted on 10/25/2012 4:30:26 PM PDT by Qwackertoo (Romney/Ryan 2012 The Future of Our Children and Their Children are at stake.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Simp-le solution, tighten the requirements for library cards to force people to provide some positive form of ID.


27 posted on 10/25/2012 4:39:39 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Maybe not so simple, it is in Rat controlled Memphis.


28 posted on 10/25/2012 4:40:13 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Fledermaus
But wasn’t the legal age for beer 18 back then? And I bet especially in Milwaukee!

Not during the 50's, the period that Happy Days was set in.

The drinking age briefly lowered to 18 in most states in the 70's, after the Constitution was amended to make that the voting age. I don't remember exactly when, but the federal government made highway funds contingent on raising the drinking age back to 21.

29 posted on 10/25/2012 4:40:13 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: Qwackertoo

She didn’t have to be 18 to register, the requiremnt is 18 before the next election or that’s how I read it. But that’s history now.


30 posted on 10/25/2012 4:47:08 PM PDT by deport
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To: faithhopecharity
a dog can get a library card in many communities

Heck they can get driving licenses in many communities.

31 posted on 10/25/2012 4:49:57 PM PDT by itsahoot (Any enemy that is allowed to have a Kings X line, is undefeatable.)
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To: itsahoot

and heck , the dogs can probably drive more safely than some of the two-legged critters who are given driver licenses these days. at least the dogs are far more intelligent ...

but i still wonder why Romney’s campaign people didn’t send a couple lawyers over to challenge O’s ballot....

would have cost almost nothing, might have worked... and at the very least it would have raised the issue again for the American voters to consider


32 posted on 10/25/2012 4:57:19 PM PDT by faithhopecharity
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To: justlurking

But wasn’t the legal age for beer 18 back then? And I bet especially in Milwaukee!

Not during the 50’s, the period that Happy Days was set in.”

In New York you could drink at 18 in the 50s.

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33 posted on 10/25/2012 4:58:04 PM PDT by Mears
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To: DannyTN

photos won’t stop all the illegal (and some legal, alas) immigrants from getting driver licenses or other documents... all they have to do is wear their burquas...


34 posted on 10/25/2012 5:00:15 PM PDT by faithhopecharity
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To: deport

Well, I tried. I texted and emailed them and she did register by mail not knowing the consequences.

Daughter excited to vote. We went and voted in the Primary together this Spring. Everyone at the precinct were so nice to her and congratulating her. :)


35 posted on 10/25/2012 5:04:24 PM PDT by Qwackertoo (Romney/Ryan 2012 The Future of Our Children and Their Children are at stake.)
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To: deport

Well, I tried. I texted and emailed them and she did register by mail not knowing the consequences.

Daughter excited to vote. We went and voted in the Primary together this Spring. Everyone at the precinct were so nice to her and congratulating her. :)


36 posted on 10/25/2012 5:04:45 PM PDT by Qwackertoo (Romney/Ryan 2012 The Future of Our Children and Their Children are at stake.)
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To: Mears

Ah, I didn’t know that! Where I lived, it was 21.


37 posted on 10/25/2012 5:15:05 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: Qwackertoo
Well, I tried. I texted and emailed them and she did register by mail not knowing the consequences.


Well you efforts help us all learn a little. Now hopefully she can either get registered again when she is home so that she can go to the registrars office in person. I'm glad your daughter is excited. I know I was and my first presidential election was Kennedy/Nixon, 1960.

38 posted on 10/25/2012 5:35:05 PM PDT by deport
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To: TennesseeGirl

39 posted on 10/25/2012 5:38:03 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Soebarkah Soetoro)
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To: deport

She is excited, she texted me a photo of her envelope all ready to go and with three stamps on it!!! I wished her many many many more elections. I pray really hard that her first vote was for the WINNING TEAM, the America’s Comeback Team!!!!


40 posted on 10/25/2012 6:12:17 PM PDT by Qwackertoo (Romney/Ryan 2012 The Future of Our Children and Their Children are at stake.)
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To: Coldwater Creek

LOL, the dead do turn out for a Ford don’t they!

Well, I suspect that undead reading is about to spike.


41 posted on 10/25/2012 6:48:01 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Qwackertoo
"Has she be misinformed or is this the case in TN?"

Sorry. I have no idea. You might try the TN Dept of State (Elections). http://www.tn.gov/sos/election/

42 posted on 10/26/2012 6:22:15 AM PDT by TennesseeGirl
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To: deport

By the judge’s determination that a city within Tennessee is a branch of the State government, and therefore can issue valid i.d.s, I take that to mean we no longer have to have driver’s licenses issued by the State. Shoot, each city or county can issue their own. Why not? If the city/county is a branch of the State by his Honor’s reasoning, hey, screw the State issued gun permits. Each city/county has now been given the authorization to issue their own. The judge, by extension, says they have the authority, right? (rhetorical) Gosh. No more state issued real estate licenses, contractor’s licenses, healthcare licenses. Yoohoo! (sarcasm, but not directed at you)


43 posted on 10/26/2012 6:33:22 AM PDT by TennesseeGirl
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To: TennesseeGirl; All

A senator has informed me an Appeal is being filed as of this morning, October 26, 2012.


44 posted on 10/26/2012 6:36:53 AM PDT by TennesseeGirl
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“Memphis required a photo ID to check books out of the library, and there were no race riots”

No... I can’t post the obvious. Would not be nice.


45 posted on 10/26/2012 6:57:28 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: justlurking

The push to 21 was under the Reagan administration.


46 posted on 10/26/2012 2:01:17 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useful idiots.)
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