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Darkness Descending in England
American Thinker ^ | October 26, 2012 | Pamela Geller

Posted on 10/26/2012 6:04:48 AM PDT by Snuph

The arrest of over 53 people in the United Kingdom is the beginning of the end for once-great Britain. The leaders of the English Defence League (EDL), Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll, were among those arrested, as well as Paul Weston of the British Freedom Party (BFP). I spoke with Kevin Carroll about his recent arrest and that of Robinson and Weston, and he told me the appalling details.

Carroll told me that British authorities tried everything in the book to stop him from running for police and crime commissioner (PCC) for the Bedfordshire Police Authority. Nonetheless, he officially won the right to run for PCC last Friday. But then, the very next day, British authorities carried out these mass arrests of EDL and BFP members, stripping them and forcing them to wear white paper overalls like those given to incarcerated terrorists. They were allowed no phone calls.

Meanwhile, British police raided the homes of Carroll, Robinson, and three others who had been arrested. "They absolutely ransacked mine," Carroll told me. "They smashed the door off and wrecked my home. They took my only vehicle, with all the tools of my trade inside, and impounded it, as well as Tommy's car." The police, the bomb squad, forensics teams, and sniffer dogs spent seven and a half hours stripping Carroll's van to the bone. "When they finished," he said, "they found nothing! They loaded it up with bugs and GPS monitors and threw everything in the back; it looks like it's been in a blender."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: edl; eurabia; islam; londonistan; uk

1 posted on 10/26/2012 6:04:51 AM PDT by Snuph
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To: Snuph

Did the UK do anything like, for example, arrest someone for making a YouTube video?

Then they would know they’re in the dark times.


2 posted on 10/26/2012 6:08:28 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Snuph

WHY are leftwing governments in the west so determined to plant radical Islam in their countries?


3 posted on 10/26/2012 6:12:45 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Snuph

Anybody out there still dumb enough to think that IT CAN’T HAPPEN HERE???

Lock and load, boys and girls. It’s gonna get interesting.

Over there—the police, cops on the beat, are ACTUALLY THE ENEMY. Here—not yet.

Let’s keep it that way.


4 posted on 10/26/2012 6:15:27 AM PDT by Flintlock (-THE TRUTH--It's the NEW hate speech.)
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To: skeeter
WHY are leftwing governments in the west so determined to plant radical Islam in their countries?

The Culture of Death knows its master.

The Culture of Death has a death-wish.

Both - islam and the left - are of the Devil.

5 posted on 10/26/2012 6:16:43 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Snuph

So they were fighting the influx of islam? England is already lost, imho.


6 posted on 10/26/2012 6:20:53 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: skeeter

“WHY are leftwing governments in the west so determined to plant radical Islam in their countries?”

I’ve referred to the “alliance of the Marxists, and the Muslims” in the past for the reason their perspectives are similar. World Caliphate/New World Order, etc.

IMO Birds of a feather in many respects.


7 posted on 10/26/2012 6:25:06 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Snuph

Horrible news!


8 posted on 10/26/2012 6:27:12 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Snuph
"They smashed the door off and wrecked my home. They took my only vehicle, with all the tools of my trade inside, and impounded it, as well as Tommy's car." The police, the bomb squad, forensics teams, and sniffer dogs spent seven and a half hours stripping Carroll's van to the bone. "When they finished," he said, "they found nothing! They loaded it up with bugs and GPS monitors and threw everything in the back; it looks like it's been in a blender."

In case its not clear: That's a terror tactic. Finding information isn't really the point. They probably didn't expect to find much of anything. The point was: "We can ruin your life if you don't toe the line."

Western Civ has indeed gone dark.

9 posted on 10/26/2012 6:29:51 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: Snuph
Photobucket
10 posted on 10/26/2012 6:34:12 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: LucyT

ping


11 posted on 10/26/2012 6:49:28 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Snuph

bkmk


12 posted on 10/26/2012 6:51:08 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: skeeter
WHY are leftwing governments in the west so determined to plant radical Islam in their countries?

Because evil deludes the "enlightened atheist" socialist. They have no moral immune system. That's my theory anyway.

13 posted on 10/26/2012 6:54:54 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rockinqsranch; skeeter
News like this always makes me think how prescient C.S. Lewis was in the last volume of his children's series: the Narnian Antichrist (the Antiaslan if you prefer) is a fraud put up by an alliance of convenience between Narnian secularists and Calormenes (thinly disguised Muslims). I wonder if British school children are still allowed to read The Last Battle.
14 posted on 10/26/2012 7:09:24 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: skeeter

Because fundamentally, leftism is hatred of the Gospel.


15 posted on 10/26/2012 7:10:44 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: rockinqsranch; skeeter
Re: “WHY are leftwing governments in the west so determined to plant radical Islam in their countries?”

I’ve referred to the “alliance of the Marxists, and the Muslims” in the past for the reason their perspectives are similar. World Caliphate/New World Order, etc.

IMO Birds of a feather in many respects.


Absolutely. In fact if you do enough research you will find links between the Nazis and the Soviets and the resurgence of violent Jihadis in the ME, the Nazis and the Soviets and both the EU and Globalism. All are Global government collectivists who brook no criticism and suppress all individualism.
16 posted on 10/26/2012 8:07:19 AM PDT by khelus
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To: Huskrrrr

I would think that the statement of Sir Edward Grey at the start of WWI was more apropos:

“The lamps are going out all over Europe. We shall not see them lit again in our time.”


17 posted on 10/26/2012 8:27:27 AM PDT by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: BrewingFrog

Yes, I agree.


18 posted on 10/26/2012 8:37:50 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: skeeter

Islam and socialism (democrats) both are against freedom and liberty.


19 posted on 10/26/2012 8:41:15 AM PDT by rurgan (give laws an expiration date:so the congress has to review every 4 years to see if needed)
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To: F15Eagle

IHMO, you dont know what your are talking about.

4% of the UK is Muslim. So why do Americans seemed utterly convinced the UK is done, lost, a dhimmi state?.

We have no Muslims in power, we have an upper class Anglo-Saxon/Celtic PM with Jewish roots, a Dutch Jewish descended deputy PM, and the leader of the Labour party is of German Jewish parents, the father having fought the Nazis.


20 posted on 10/26/2012 9:29:21 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: Snuph

The EDL are a bunch of thugs with links to serious neo-nazi UK groups and organised soccer hooliganism. Their leader and many of the hierarchy and followers have convictions for violent offences.

They are NOT the answer. You want to back Britain, folks, support UKIP or the more rightwing Tories. Not the EDL.

All the UK posters, here, myself included, are conservative and patriots. And we are the ones who have been trying to disabuse you all of the notion that they are true British heroes. As we know them better than you. And we have seen them in the flesh.

Pamela Geller is a nutcase.
I am not surprised that she thinks the EDL are great.


21 posted on 10/26/2012 9:33:28 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: Snuph

Paul Weston is a former member of the BNP, who are the UK equivalent of the KKK: a racist, antisemitic, holocaust denying political party. His new small party is just offshoot, more of the same crap.

Weston, Carroll and the EDL represent British people and British conservatives no more than the KKK represents Republicans and conservatives in the US.


22 posted on 10/26/2012 9:41:07 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

Thanks for your valuable perspectives.


23 posted on 10/26/2012 11:32:36 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: the scotsman
The EDL are a bunch of thugs with links to serious neo-nazi UK groups and organised soccer hooliganism. Their leader and many of the hierarchy and followers have convictions for violent offences.

Don't care. If they oppose the Islamists, then they are my brothers.

24 posted on 10/26/2012 11:43:17 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: the scotsman

We heard back in 2001 that more people attend mosques in the UK than Christian churches.

Of course you’re on the ground. So you can tell us what you see there.

Then there was that big mosque. And Prince Charles dressing up like a muzzie. Tony Blair’s sister doing all she can for islam, at least propaganda-wise.

She even put out a Tweet and a video about Israel being destroyed by our own idiot, Barack Hussein Obama.


25 posted on 10/26/2012 12:45:02 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

1—Hmm. Muslims number about 2.4 to 2.8 m out of 60m here, and even although the Christian numbers have fallen drastically, the Muslim numbers in 2001 would have been less than 2m. A 2007 UK Christian survey found about 6m Britons go to Christian church regularly. The 2001 figure would probably be slightly higher. Or even quite a bit higher.

BUT even if not, thats 2m at best VS 6m. So even in our godless days (most Britons still respect the church and we get married there, buried there, christenings, and all the various church ‘things’ even if we arent regular goers), thats THREE TIMES as many Christians as Muslims.

2-What big mosque?. If its the one I am thinking of, it was SCRAPPED.

3—I like Charles. I have met him. I think he is genuine and simply respects all religion, BUT isnt blind to their faults. He isnt a dhimmi.

4—Tony’s sister-IN-LAW was always an attention seeker. I used to read her weekly prattle in the Daily Mail.


26 posted on 10/26/2012 1:08:31 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

“2-What big mosque?. If its the one I am thinking of, it was SCRAPPED.”

Well, that’s good news.

Yeah, I knew she was the sister-in-law; that was a typo. Was in too much of a hurry.

So what is the deal with the folks in this article, that they were raided in such a manner?


27 posted on 10/26/2012 1:16:23 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: the scotsman

I have a close friend who is a very highly regarded Christian evangelist worldwide who moved to America from england back in 1992.

He has personally told me and even announced from the pulpit that England today is LESS than 1% Christian. He said that England is more atheist than anything else and the fastest growing religion in England is Islam.


28 posted on 10/26/2012 1:59:12 PM PDT by dglang
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To: the scotsman

I thought Weston was a former UKIP member?


29 posted on 10/27/2012 2:22:32 PM PDT by Eurotwit ("Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.")
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To: TexasRepublic

I think the good scotsman is feeing you misinformation though.

Hopefully I am mistaken.


30 posted on 10/27/2012 2:24:53 PM PDT by Eurotwit ("Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.")
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To: Eurotwit

Actually I was wrong, and you are correct.

Weston is ex-UKIP, he DOES have links to the BNP with his BFP party, as they share many ideas. But he as far as I can tell was not an official BNP member.


31 posted on 10/27/2012 9:51:09 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: dglang; Eurotwit

No, I am not feeding misinformation.
As if I am some Muzzie fifth column....lol

With all due respect, your friend hasnt lived here for 20 years. So he is wrong in some regards. He is correct that the rate of regular Christians is shockingly low, compared to what it was, 1% isnt quite true. The survey I quoted is more 10% than 1. One in ten is probably about right. Although I am not sure what the survey counted, was it just England and Wales and did it include Scotland and NI, which would boost the numbers.

One percent would mean just 600000 regular Christians in the whole UK, and thats way, way off. Even today.

Islam might be technically the fastest growing but that dosent mean anything other than a larger Islamic immigration to the UK, which is still just 4%. It dosent mean white, black or Asian Brits are being converted. Or that the UK is being swamped.


32 posted on 10/27/2012 9:59:03 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: Snuph

What this article fails to state is that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon aka “Tommy Robinson” is a vicious thug.

He served a 12 month prison sentence in 2005 for assaulting a police officer.

In July 2011 he was convicted of using threatening, abusiveor insulting behviour.

On 29 September 2011 he was convicted of common assault for headbutting a fellow EDL member.

On 8 November 2011 he was arrested after a protest on the roof of the FIFA building in Zurich and fined £3000 and jailed for three days.

On 22 October Lennon was charged with using a false passport to travel to the US. He was remanded in custody and is due to appear in court next January. Hopefully he will get a very long custodial sentence.

This is the man who wants to stand for the position of Police and Crime Commissioner?.


33 posted on 10/27/2012 10:00:05 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

“This is the man who wants to stand for the position of Police and Crime Commissioner?.”

No it isn’t.¨

Anything more you need to have cleared up?


34 posted on 10/28/2012 2:30:34 AM PDT by Eurotwit ("Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.")
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To: Eurotwit

Yes he is.

On Nov 15th.


35 posted on 10/28/2012 8:08:21 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

No Muslims in power? It doesn’t matter if they hold office or not. You give them them streets. So who’s really in charge?

Not your spineless politicians, that’s for sure.


36 posted on 10/28/2012 8:10:32 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

We dont give them streets, stop believing the hype and the myth.


37 posted on 10/28/2012 9:21:53 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

They drug and rape your teens. They suck up billions in welfare payments and council housing. They kick you in the teeth, and you ask for more.

Your country is doomed. And you brought it all on yourselves.


38 posted on 10/28/2012 10:08:01 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: the scotsman

You are our cousins & we respect the UK here in the States, but there is a deep sickness in your nation that is obvious to most. London used to be a safe, British city....it’s now a cesspool of crime. I watched gangs of punks run your streets & beat & strip your people of their clothes in the light of day in your last major riot.

It’s not only the UK....the entire West is dying.


39 posted on 10/28/2012 10:15:57 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: Lurker

Yes, we have problems.
But we not doomed.


40 posted on 10/28/2012 12:34:10 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: LongWayHome

At least you are smart and honest enough to say the West is dying. Not just the UK.


41 posted on 10/28/2012 12:36:32 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

Every Western nation is in deep trouble, some more than others. The USA has been invaded by an army of 30 million people from Latin America....and nothing has been done. Utter disgrace.


42 posted on 10/28/2012 12:53:21 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: the scotsman

My friend had returned to England for a couple of years and he still retains a ministry presence there but he returned to the U.S. about two or three years ago to stay here permanently.

There was no attack aginst you in any mannor at all.


43 posted on 10/28/2012 1:00:42 PM PDT by dglang
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