Posted on 10/26/2012 11:03:03 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Charles Woods, the father of Tyrone Woods, said in an interview, “And apparently even the State Department had a live stream and was aware of their calls for help. This was my son, he wasn’t even there. He was at a safe house about a mile away. He got the distress call. He heard them crying for help. That’s why he and Glenn risked their lives to go that extra mile just to take care of the situation. And I’m sure that she wasn’t the only one that received that distress call: “Come save our lives.”
When I heard that there’s a very good chance that the White House as well as other members of the military knew what was going on, and obviously someone had to say, “Don’t go rescue them.” Because every person in the military, their first response is, “We’re going to go rescue them.” We need to find out who it was that gave that command.”
So who gave that command?
>>>Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that three urgent requests from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. Consulate and subsequent attack nearly seven hours later were denied by officials in the CIA chain of command — who also told the CIA operators to “stand down” rather than help the ambassador’s team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.
Former Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were part of a small team who were at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. Consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When they heard the shots fired, they radioed to inform their higher-ups to tell them what they were hearing. They were told to “stand down,” according to sources familiar with the exchange. An hour later, they called again to headquarters and were again told to “stand down.”
Woods, Doherty and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the Consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The quick reaction force from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the Consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.
At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours — enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.<<<
Now we know who is taking responsibility for denying support to the consulate and the safe house.
The photo, which is the official one put out by DOD, from the press conference held by Panetta and General Dempsey is horribly eloquent in terms of body language.
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta defended the failure to go in by claiming that the issue was a lack of reliable intel, despite the fact that they had multiple distress calls and a drone overhead.
Blaming a lack of reliable intel is fine if you want to pull away from intervening in Syria, but not when a US diplomatic facility and its personnel are under sustained attack. And how much intel was really needed to send two jets to buzz the area and possibly scare off some of the attackers, who would not have posed any threat to the aircraft?
>>>Although forces were on alert and ready to launch an operation if needed, the US military commander for Africa, General Carter Ham, the chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, and Panetta all decided against any intervention as they had no clear picture of events unfolding in Benghazi, he said.<<<
So the buck has been passed to Panetta and Dempsey and Ham. Dempsey is a soulless administration toady and Ham is deeply invested in Libya. Panetta is a Clintonite who is completely expendable, especially if the charges get pinned to Hillary. But Panetta still seems filled with self-loathing and Dempsey looks disgusted with him.
Not doing something because there is no intel is a common excuse in these circles when they don’t want to do something. Just as with Iran, there would never have been enough intel.
And how much intel was needed really? Benghazi had an extended profile and was the cause of the entire Libyan war. The consulate had an extensive intelligence apparatus and the declassified cables we’ve seen are a fraction of the actual classified cables that would have been at Panetta, Dempsey and Ham’s disposal.
They knew about the Islamist militias and had descriptions of their armament from the RSO’s reports. They didn’t know the exact number of attackers or every single possible detail, but you can never really know everything before going in.
>>> “There’s a basic principle here, and the basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on, without having some real-time information about what’s taking place,” Panetta told a news conference.<<<
But there were already forces in harm’s way, who were trying to provide some real time intel from their point of view. What Panetta means is that the decision was made not to send aid to them, and it wasn’t about risking more lives, but about the politics of intervening in Libya and offending the Libyans. It was done for the same reason that US soldiers have at times been abandoned without air support in Afghanistan.
“I feel confident that our forces were alert and responsive to what was a very fluid situation,” General Dempsey said, which is one of those strange statements that leaders issue after a complete screw up.
The full transcript of the conference was fairly well hidden on the site, but turned up here, it shows the full exchanges.
>>>Q: Can I follow up on that? One of the reasons we’ve heard that there wasn’t a more robust response right away is that there wasn’t a clear intelligence picture over Benghazi, to give you the idea of where to put what forces.
But when there was, in fact, a drone over the CIA annex and there were intelligence officials fighting inside the annex, I guess the big question is, with those two combined assets, why there wasn’t a clear intelligence picture that would have given you what you needed to make some moves, for instance, flying, you know, F-16s over the area to disperse fighters or — or dropping more special forces in.
SEC. PANETTA: You know, let me — let me speak to that, because I’m sure there’s going to be — there’s a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here.
We — we quickly responded, as General Dempsey said, in terms of deploying forces to the region. We had FAST platoons in the region. We had ships that we had deployed off of Libya. And we were prepared to respond to any contingency and certainly had forces in place to do that.
But — but the basic principle here — basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place. And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, General Ham, General Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.
Q: So the drone, then, and the forces inside the annex weren’t giving enough of a clear picture is what you’re saying.
SEC. PANETTA: This — this happened within a few hours and it was really over before, you know, we had the opportunity to really know what was happening.<<<
JMO,the kidnapping plot is the only thing that explains all the things that went down. The withdrawal of security just prior, the refusal to rescue, and the convenient “video” that nobody had ever heard of before the administration brought it up. The failure of the scheme could have been caused by the attempt to aid the Ambassador by the men who were told to “stand down”.
Yes, where was Petraeus? He was soon giving Congress briefings that included suggestions about that “video”.
So, what are the odds the Mooze Lames will do exactly the same sort of things in several places at the same time prior to election day?
“.....The American special operators, Woods, Doherty and at least two others were part of the Global Response Staff, a CIA element, based at the CIA annex and were protecting CIA operators who were part of a mission to track and repurchase arms in Benghazi that had proliferated in the wake of Muammar Qaddafi’s fall. Part of their mission was to find the more than 20,000 missing MANPADS, or shoulder-held missiles capable of bringing down a commercial aircraft. According to a source on the ground at the time of the attack, the team inside the CIA annex had captured three Libyan attackers and was forced to hand them over to the Libyans. U.S. officials do not know what happened to those three attackers and whether they were released by the Libyan forces.......”
http://www.israpundit.com/archives/50224
A question for anyone who might know the answer. My assumption is these transanction are either done in cash or some type of wire. If cash, who holds the money?
It was a fubar. They should admit to that and not lay blame on the victims because the victims did not attack themselves. They should not have lied over and over again about it. After the contractors disobeyed orders and successfully evacuated the consulate personnel minus the ambassador, the folks watching this go down should have done whatever they could to save them. But they didn’t. And now two more are dead and who knows how many are still recovering from this terrorist attack.
It is the cover up that is the problem. And that we have a cinc who calls this a “bump in the road” and “not optimal.”
THIS is the point of PC. To condition ALL to follow orders. It was NEVER about —insert PC topic—, rather it was to condition the minds of our forces by demanding they mouth bullshit, salute bullshit and support bullshit. It took 40 years to get us there but we are there now. This disaster will open a lot of eyes among our forces, count on it.
Wasn’t General Dempsey the one who called Pastor Terry Jones to ask him to denounce the muhammed video a day or two AFTER the attack?”
YES........ he was the arrongant man leaning back in his easy chair on some transport plane, being interviewed about that, at that time. THEN his actions in all this are the last straw.
Write your congressman. Boehner and McConnell are worthless, aren’t they? Someone else knows about this gunruning activity being run out of the fake consulate - messing with Russia and all. This is just sick. Rosenbergs?
My vote is for Jarrett; since Obama and Hillary never seem to be around. Hillary drinking and smoking and Obama smoking whatever.
PC garbage HAS been pushed on our great military for years. But since The Won is there, gays, gays and more gays, women (not apposed to women in military) but what country puts their women on the front lines?.
I’m so very angry with all this. Our great nation is at risk here worse than we ever thought. This is what we know NOW - what ELSE is going on?
The higher ups in our military are loaded with do gooder, fanny kissing guys that agree with the people in this country that want to bring us down.
God help this country.
That Dempsey guy has no business being in uniform
Because Valerie told Obama not to act, because it was too risky.
Meaning, too risky for her 'friends' in their removal of the CIA group in Syria that is attempting to purchase the 'lost manpads'.
They want you to think of it as 'buying back', but that's not true. These weapons were supplied by IRAN, and that is the secret that Valerie must protect, and it looks like little ole' Barry is going to take the fall for it.
It all goes back to a cargo ship cruising the ocean , supposedly with medical aid (or make up any description you want), but really packed with weaponry.
Yes, Dempsey called Jones....not sure what he had to do with that video....but he called him.
General Petraeus also made a public comment about Jones planning to bury a quuran back in 2010 saying it would endanger our troops. It was unusual back then, just like now with Dempsey. Dempsey was just mimicing what Petraeus had already done, even if he didn’t call Jones personally.
But while all of that military staging would have happened/did happen during the 6-8 hour battle at the consulate and annex, what the military cannot do on their own say-so is cross an international border without an order from the NCA, the National Command Authority, and that means POTUS, Obama.Obama knew all this. He did not want to be blamed for giving the order to GO. He did not want to be blamed for giving the order "STAND DOWN". He did not want to accept responsibility for giving any order.Only POTUS can authorize a cross-border hostile mission. That is, guns clear, no official permission from the Tripoli govt (if it really exists outside State Dept fantasies.)
Only one man can pull that trigger and say, “GO!” Obama.
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But no order came, as of midnight in DC. And then none would come. Because the POTUS retired for the night with a “do not disturb” sign on his door, punted, and went to bed, to be well rested for Las Vegas.
So he ran away, and by deliberate inaction, killed our men in Libya.
“burn a quran”
The people would want cash. US Dollars in a bag.
After the first few cash transactions, they would realize that there must be tens of millions of dollars in the consulate building. Good enough excuse to rob the place, and grab Stevens for ransom in the process.
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