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Superintendents Paint Dire Picture If California's Prop. 30 Fails ["Bloodbath" Predicted?]
LA Times ^ | October 26, 2012 | Stephen Ceasar

Posted on 10/26/2012 9:51:51 PM PDT by Steelfish

Superintendents Paint Dire Picture If California's Prop. 30 Fails As Gov. Jerry Brown's revenue-raising proposition loses support, school superintendents say class sizes could grow, cherished programs could die and jobs will be lost.

What we face is the biggest challenge in public education since the state of California was founded," said state Supt. of Public Instruction Tom Torlakson

By Stephen Ceasar, Los Angeles Times October 26

As children peered at them through an elementary school fence in Cerritos on Friday, about a dozen school superintendents explained the consequences they will face if California voters fail to approve Proposition 30.

In Whittier Union High School District, class sizes — some already exceeding 40 students — will continue to grow. In Inglewood Unified School District, a $30-million deficit will double and the current school year will immediately be shortened by four weeks. In ABC Unified School District, which serves mostly Artesia and Cerritos, sports, arts and after-school programs — currently unscathed by $30 million in cuts in recent years — will be pared.

"If Prop. 30 fails, we're talking about a bloodbath," said Supt. Dale Marsden of the San Bernardino City Unified School District. The district will slash about $10 million from programs for gifted students, music and sports and cut 160 positions.

Proposition 30, backed by Gov. Jerry Brown, would add a quarter-cent to the statewide sales tax for four years and impose a seven-year tax increase on California's highest earners.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: beggingbowl; forthechildren; gimmegimmegimme; jerrybrown; moonbeam; moremoremore; neverenough; payuporthedoggetsit; prop30; standanddeliver; teecherzneedzbmwz; torlakson; yourmoneyoryourlife
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1 posted on 10/26/2012 9:51:57 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Our total California tax load is easily double what it was when I moved here in 1973. Yet everything is much, much worse in the intervening 40 years. Clearly we need to double our taxes again to fix everything up.


2 posted on 10/26/2012 9:56:41 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Steelfish

Well I and my 20+ are voting NO.
Good luck MoonBeam


3 posted on 10/26/2012 9:56:41 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: Steelfish

Bloodbath it is then.


4 posted on 10/26/2012 10:00:53 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Ignorance is bliss- I'm stoked)
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To: Steelfish

Whatever became of all the billions of lottery dollars that were going to be spent on education???


5 posted on 10/26/2012 10:01:46 PM PDT by oldbrowser (An empty chair attracts a stadium full of empty chairs.)
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To: Steelfish

A bloodbath?

What’s he talking about? Who’s blood is going to be spilled?

The unions poured on the hyperbole during the Wisconsin situation too.


6 posted on 10/26/2012 10:01:52 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Steelfish

Maybe they shouldn’t have made a school for 600 million for 2000 students a few years back?


7 posted on 10/26/2012 10:02:53 PM PDT by Professional
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To: Steelfish

What percent of the CA public education budget goes towards programs that primarily benefit illegals?


8 posted on 10/26/2012 10:03:04 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Steelfish

C’mon California. We trashed one of the top school systems in the nation. We produce more illiterate liberal zombies than the next three states combined. We have thrown so much money at education, we could fund some European Nations. Our universities produce some of the most Global Warming Friendly retards in the world. Your children’s children’s children can not hope to pay off our debt. City after city, are going into bankruptcy.

Let do it again!


9 posted on 10/26/2012 10:04:26 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: Steelfish

As long as it is going to be a bloodbath, they might as well have some sort of teacher vs. teacher pay-per-view cage match. Its for the children, of course.


10 posted on 10/26/2012 10:04:40 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: jennychase

Same here. What I like about my radio stations here in mexifornia they give fair time for both pro and anti ads. But I hate moonbeam so NO on 30 and YES on 32.


11 posted on 10/26/2012 10:05:32 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Steelfish

Teachers will be forced to teach, superintendents will have to superintend, and students will actually learn the three Rs instead of the fluff classes that will be cut. Oh, the Hugh Manatee!


12 posted on 10/26/2012 10:07:50 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: Steelfish

GOOD; and I speak as a former school district employee (Maintenance Supervisor) for over 25 years. I know for a fact how much they waste and misappropriate to stupid gimmee crap.
If they spent the money on education instead of PC bulls##t they would not have any financial problems.


13 posted on 10/26/2012 10:10:01 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Steelfish

FEAR! FEAR! FEAR!


14 posted on 10/26/2012 10:16:49 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: oldbrowser

You are not supposed to ask questions, such as what about the extra lottery money for schools. Liberals do not permit such questions to be asked!!!


15 posted on 10/26/2012 10:17:08 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego ('s)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Whatever became of all the billions of lottery dollars that were going to be spent on education???

Just look in the General Fund, Fooled again..


16 posted on 10/26/2012 10:20:51 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 ( 1 retarded man is a pity, two retarded men are a law practice and three are a congress)
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To: Steelfish

Welcome to the real world. The world that the rest of us have to live in. Money is tight these days.

Start with waste, redundancy, and inefficiencies. And don’t tell me there isn’t waste in government.


17 posted on 10/26/2012 10:24:25 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Steelfish
i guess throwing the ILLEGAL'S out, is out of the question...
18 posted on 10/26/2012 10:24:48 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Steelfish

Kill it. Kill it with fire. If Moonbat, er, -beam wants it, kill it.


19 posted on 10/26/2012 10:25:07 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Steelfish

We are swimming in money.

So much so that Jerry Brown took on a new entitlement: The Dream act.


20 posted on 10/26/2012 10:27:55 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I know what it is to be Black,to be hated for who I am, more so than Whoppi does. I'm a Republican.)
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To: oldbrowser

Who’s to Blame For California?
March 15, 2012 | Victor Davis Hanson

http://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2012/03/15/whos_to_blame_for_california

“The result is that we are left with mostly liberal students angry at mostly liberal policies of a mostly liberally governed state.”


21 posted on 10/26/2012 10:28:20 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: 5th MEB

Let’s set the record straight. All monies go directly to the general funds. There it is under the control of the state legislators. They get to use it however they want like paying the teachers pensions that are underfunded. Jerry lies, the school system dies.


22 posted on 10/26/2012 10:29:17 PM PDT by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: Steelfish

Let me channel Moonbeam and the California legislators.

For all of you on this thread saying that California wastes money, how dare you. California definitely needs a high speed rail in the middle of no where, so it was much more important to take the tax money you already paid us to use for that. Now we don’t have enough money to build all the extra admin building that the school districts so obviously need. So we must take more of your paycheck. Just suck it up and send us more money.


23 posted on 10/26/2012 10:29:41 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Barrak has now won the contest. He is even worse than Jimmah.)
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To: Steelfish

Do you know if this is one of those propositions that require two-thirds to pass, or does it just require a simple majority? Thanks.


24 posted on 10/26/2012 10:30:25 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Steelfish

Hey, Super. How’s that $$$ bullet train to nowhere going?


25 posted on 10/26/2012 10:30:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: NoLibZone

NO on 30 (No More Taxes)
Collapse this indoctrinated public school system and allow for school choice

YES on 32 (No More Stealing Money From Union Members Without Their Consent And Funneling It To Sacramento Rats To Steal $$ From The Public Treasury}


26 posted on 10/26/2012 10:32:34 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
"What we face is the biggest challenge in public education since the state of California was founded," said state Supt. of Public Instruction Tom Torlakson"

"If Prop. 30 fails, we're talking about a bloodbath," said Supt. Dale Marsden of the San Bernardino City Unified School District."

It is almost amusing as you get older to have learned that every single election of your life until the day you die, after voting for 70 years, will include ballot or bond issues to save the schools from collapsing on the children and killing them.

In between elections you will learn about the ever growing wages and pensions and benefits and tenure, and ratio of administration to teachers, and lowering of standards and of illiterate graduates, but the desperate pleas for tax increases to paint the schools and fix the roofs, will still be there in every election.

27 posted on 10/26/2012 10:33:42 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt Romney is a mixture of LBJ and Nixon, Obama is a mixture of LBJ and Jimmy Carter.)
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To: El Cid

50% vote majority is needed


28 posted on 10/26/2012 10:34:17 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: El Cid

Do you know if this is one of those propositions that require two-thirds to pass, or does it just require a simple majority? Thanks.

* As with all state ballot measures, both Prop 30 & 38 measures require a simple majority (50% + 1 vote) for
voter approval. However, under the California Constitution and language in the measures, only
the one with the greatest number of votes will take effect, even if both receive a majority.


29 posted on 10/26/2012 10:35:15 PM PDT by rainee (Her)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Our total California tax load is easily double what it was when I moved here in 1973. Yet everything is much, much worse in the intervening 40 years. Clearly we need to double our taxes again to fix everything up.

You forget: the cure for liberalism's failures is always more liberalism.

It's time to saw California off and let it float around the Horn to Argentina. La Presidenta will think of something to do with it!

30 posted on 10/26/2012 10:35:31 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Steelfish

[”Bloodbath” Predicted?]

Less democrats... wheres the problem?


31 posted on 10/26/2012 10:35:36 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Steelfish

all that is needed is to fire 95% of all the administrators, demand disipline in the classroom and they will have more than enough money!


32 posted on 10/26/2012 10:37:48 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Steelfish

>>In Whittier Union High School District, class sizes — some already exceeding 40 students

Class size in Asia including private schools is frequently over 40 and they do a pretty good job of turning out educated students.


33 posted on 10/26/2012 10:39:14 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: expat1000

True. In India class sizes exceed 50 students, they do better and for far less like pennies on the dollar.


34 posted on 10/26/2012 10:42:22 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

Good. California schools suck


35 posted on 10/26/2012 10:46:20 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: rainee; Steelfish
Thanks. I thought the propositions that raised taxes required two-thirds.

Well too bad, there are probably enough brain-addled folks in California that they will likely make the 50% hurdle.

36 posted on 10/26/2012 10:46:26 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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37 posted on 10/26/2012 10:47:28 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." - Barack Hussein Obama - Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.)
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To: Steelfish

Maybe they can cut spending on all the stupid programs that benefit slivers of the population, the gay bath houses & libraries, ethnic community centers etc... of course not they will threaten programs that sound good and people like first.


38 posted on 10/26/2012 10:47:51 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Professional

is that the one where the teachers lounge looks like a high end strip club?


39 posted on 10/26/2012 10:49:21 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: El Cid
I thought the propositions that raised taxes required two-thirds

They changed it. They convinced people that in bad times they needed to make it easier to raise taxes.

40 posted on 10/26/2012 10:52:07 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Steelfish

What happened to the lottery money that was supposed to keep the schools from running out of money?


41 posted on 10/26/2012 11:01:02 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: El Cid

The RATS are getting desperate. The most recent poll, USC/LA Times shows support for only 46% of registered voters & this poll is known to be very liberal. Moonbeam is out there begging people to support & he looks pissed that he’s having to campaign for Prop 30 because he & the crazy libs in this state can’t understand why the “it’s for the children” scare tactic won’t work anymore. Competing with Prop 38 is not helping his case either, Munger is running attack ads against Prop 30, it’s hilarious!!

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_21866692/scare-tactics-and-scary-protests-over-prop-30?source=rss


42 posted on 10/26/2012 11:05:14 PM PDT by rainee (Her)
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To: oldbrowser

Haven’t you heard ?? ALL the California Lottery proceeds go to Mexico. . . .whether in Jackpots or just revenue (evil grin)


43 posted on 10/26/2012 11:08:18 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: El Cid
Simple majority.

Until the last NO on 30 Vote is counted, I won't bet against the Teacher's Unions. They pulled it out before and I have no doubt they can do it again.

I can't wait until the Election is over.

44 posted on 10/26/2012 11:12:21 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (How do you insult an Obama Voter? Call them an Obama Voter.)
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To: 5th MEB

“GOOD; and I speak as a former school district employee (Maintenance Supervisor) for over 25 years. I know for a fact how much they waste and misappropriate to stupid gimmee crap.
If they spent the money on education instead of PC bulls##t they would not have any financial problems.”

The San Ramon Valley School District here in the East Bay Area of San Francisco has literally acres of solar panel-covered parking lots at each of it’s high schools! And it’s ditto up in Napa. And oh, the Napa Wine Train received $54 million in stimulus money to “raise their tracks in downtown Napa so they don’t flood when the Napa River overflows it’s banks. So since they can piss away money like this, screw the schools! They turn out a beer quality product on champagne funding.


45 posted on 10/26/2012 11:18:08 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Steelfish

All this the sky is falling crap again blada blada blah. They can never do with less they always want more, more, more.

Their greed has killed the goose that laid the golden egg here in Calif. Now they want to run the school bus over it.

California FReepers: VOTE NO ON PROP 30, and tell everyone you know to do the same.

Also, vote yes on 32.


46 posted on 10/26/2012 11:20:09 PM PDT by Bullish
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>>True. In India class sizes exceed 50 students, they do better and for far less like pennies on the dollar.

Yes. I was being conservative. My niece is in grade 5 here in Thailand in a private school, at there are 43 in her class. Last year it was 42. I think it is too many, - I’d like to see it the low 30’s, but the big push in the west for 15 or so is just teacher’s union featherbedding, IMO. Even in the 40’s though, it is workable.

If anyone is interested, discipline is not a problem at all. If a kid insists on not even trying to learn, they’ll put him in the back of the class and ignore him. If he’s eager but not a good learner, more advanced students will be assigned to help him. If truly unruly, he’ll be booted out of school. That is very rare.

Also, the children have to clean their classrooms and keep the grounds clean. Oh, also wear uniforms, which is a great idea - saves a lot of money and arguments over clothes, and jewelry is forbidden except for small earrings for the girls with pierced ears.


47 posted on 10/26/2012 11:23:31 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: rainee

Arnold’s bond measures failed a few years back here to. Same wailing about money for schools, etc.
Even liberal pantloads don’t vote for tax increases when they get into the booths.


48 posted on 10/26/2012 11:32:16 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: Jim Robinson
"How’s that $$$ bullet train to nowhere going?"

Milton Friedman, RIP, was once asked what one thing did he consider most important for the U.S.A. economy.

"School choice."

yitbos

49 posted on 10/26/2012 11:36:12 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Steelfish

And I remember when they told us if prop 13 past they would have to shut down the police departments, and schools, and fire stations etc. etc.


50 posted on 10/26/2012 11:42:43 PM PDT by Liberal Bob (looneyleft.com)
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