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AC-13OU Gunship Was On-Scene in Benghazi, Ogama Admin Refused to Let It Fire (updated)
PJ Media ^ | 10/26/2012 | Bob Owens

Posted on 10/27/2012 5:59:20 AM PDT by Aria

If you don’t get torches-and-pitchforks irate about this, you are not an American:

The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours — enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

There were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of Operation Unified Protector.

The AC-130U is a very effective third-generation fire-support aircraft, capable of continuous and extremely accurate fire onto multiple targets. It has been used numerous times in Iraq and Afghanistan to save pinned-down allied forces, and has even been credited with the surrender of the Taliban city of Kunduz

It was purpose-built for a select number of specific mission types, including point-defense against enemy attack. It was literally built for the kind of mission it could have engaged in over Benghazi, if the administration had let it fire. As the excerpt above clearly shows, we had assets on the ground “painting” the targets with the laser.

An AC-130U flies in a counter-clockwise “pivot turn” around the target, with the weapons all aimed out the left side of the aircraft.

There are two state-of-the-art fire-control systems (FCSs) in a AC-130U, using television sensors,infrared sensors, and synthetic aperture strike radar. These fire control systems can see through the dark of night, clouds, and smoke.

The two FCSs on the AC-130U control a 25mm Gatling gun for area suppression, a precision 40mm cannon, and a 105mm cannon which can engage hard targets.

What this means is that we have the forces in the air and on the ground to have stopped the attack at any point, eliminating the terrorists and saving American lives.

See video of AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise on next page.

Update (Bryan): Here is an AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise. The crackling sound you hear is its extreme rate of fire.

Update: BlackFive confirmed with a retired Delta operator: The fact that ground personnel were painting the target says there was a Spectre on station.

From the comments: Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the report jumped out at me. One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not “paint” a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the AC130 was on station. Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander based on information directly from the target area. If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta [sic] says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed. If that SEAL was actively “painting” a target; something was on station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to POTUS!


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KEYWORDS: absolutetreason; benghazi; benghazigate; clinton4alqaeda; cowardobama; dnc4alqaeda; kenyanbornmuzzie; libya; libyagate; obama; obama4alqaeda; obama4putin; treason; waronterror
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Meanwhile the traitor/murderer takes to MTV and arrogantly demands votes.

Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. RR

We are there.

1 posted on 10/27/2012 5:59:24 AM PDT by Aria
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To: Aria

guess life isnt worth much to this president


2 posted on 10/27/2012 6:02:37 AM PDT by dalebert
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3 posted on 10/27/2012 6:03:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Aria.


4 posted on 10/27/2012 6:03:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: dalebert

Muslim lives are worth more to him.


5 posted on 10/27/2012 6:03:30 AM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: Aria

When surrounded, there is no better feeling than to know PUFF the Magic Dragon is lining up.


6 posted on 10/27/2012 6:08:00 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Aria

Obama must be held to account for his cowardice and gross incompetence.


7 posted on 10/27/2012 6:08:55 AM PDT by Constitutional Patriot (Socialism is the cancer of humanity.)
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To: Aria
A visual aid for those unaware of the C-130 gunship.


8 posted on 10/27/2012 6:10:31 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Aria

That is exactly what is at the bottom of this - appeasing loyalty to the muslim world. He is a traitor.


9 posted on 10/27/2012 6:17:26 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: Aria

There were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of Operation Unified Protector.
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I believe that statement is true.

But were they deployed to Benghazi on 9/11/2012? At this point we don’t know. The article provides a strong basis for assuming one or both were but an assumption is not proof.

A grain or two of salt is advised.


10 posted on 10/27/2012 6:18:35 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Constitutional Patriot
If I am not mistaken, the father of one of the fallen former Navy Sales who rushed to helped the embattled Ambassador (despite being told to stand down from higher ups, maybe issued from POTUS hisseelf, but instead doing the moral thing on site), reported that when he received a telephone call from D.C. "US Govt" to inform him of his son's death in Benghazi ("Ty"), that the govt. spokesman said there was an A130 ON STATION. As the father related it, the said "they said, something like a C, something, I forget now" (Radio Host Lars Larson stepped in and added "130

11 posted on 10/27/2012 6:19:23 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Donate, & walk precincts, not for "Parties", but for individual, principled "Candidates" (& for FR)
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To: Aria

The media is working hard to bury this story. They simply aren’t covering it.

I’ll be darned if I forget it. Drudge has it up every single day, Fox isn’t stopping either (although the storm will take attention). It is up to those of us who are aware to keep pounding on it. Thank heavens for the new media, who won’t let the MSM get away with journalistic malpractice anymore.


12 posted on 10/27/2012 6:19:54 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: no-to-illegals
When surrounded, there is no better feeling than to know PUFF the Magic Dragon is lining up.
Was up on the DMZ in VN and saw Puff workout at least three or four times.
Guns fired so fast it looked like it was firing a laser ... and it sounded like a foghorn. Just incredible.
13 posted on 10/27/2012 6:20:46 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Constitutional Patriot
I would be careful about claiming that a Specter gunship was there. The laser designator can also work for armaments carried on drones, that we know were there.

The gunships were asked for, I am pretty sure about that, but I have not seen good evidence that one was on the scene.

14 posted on 10/27/2012 6:24:15 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: InterceptPoint
"One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not "paint" a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the AC130 was on station."

I agree. We're getting a little out in front of the facts that are in evidence.

It may well turn out to be the case that such assets were in the air over Benghazi on 9/11. Nothing in this piece comes out and definitively asserts it to be so.

15 posted on 10/27/2012 6:24:22 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Aria

This whole thing happened because this administrationw was arming the Al Quida affiliate rebels in Syria, using Al Quida in Libya to get them there.

It went bad somehow and he simply was willing to let the Ambassador and others involved die...people who were carrying out his commands.

By being a traitor and committing treachory against these brave Americans who were fighting for their lives,..he is trying to cover up his larger treachery against the entire nation.

Walking Al Quida in Benghazi
http://www.jeffhead.com/walkingalquida.htm


16 posted on 10/27/2012 6:25:13 AM PDT by Jeff Head ( Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Aria; DJ MacWoW; Lady Jag

Thanks. I was looking for this.


17 posted on 10/27/2012 6:29:06 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=om93destr)
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To: Jeff Head

Obama figures dead Americans can’t talk.


18 posted on 10/27/2012 6:31:43 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: Travis McGee
Travis, what's the deal with these laser designators? Particularly, is it true that this thing is used only in real time, to illuminate targets for (in this case) an AC-130u that's there, right now, waiting to blow something up?

Or, is it true that it can be used presumably in advance of the arrival of the AC-130u (in this situation) to record the location (by gps coordinates, maybe?) of targets like buildings or other locations where bgs could be setting up shop?

Or is this maybe something that just ain't supposed to be talked about... you know what I mean.

Seems to me that this issue could be quite incriminating, depending...

Thanks.

19 posted on 10/27/2012 6:32:49 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: marktwain

Um. That is what he said. Either a 130 or an armed drone had to have been lurking above...


20 posted on 10/27/2012 6:33:08 AM PDT by Rick66 (Don't dislike me cause I live in Massholechusetts.)
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To: dalebert

That would seem to apply to other lives if he is reelected.

Caligula comes to mind


21 posted on 10/27/2012 6:36:33 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Aria; All
There has to be a breaking point where the American people demand answers. Benghazi is it! FCOL, four American's DIED because someone in the OBAMA adm. gave an order to stand down!

If the American people have to go around the POS MSM to get answers then WE HAVE TO do it!!!!

American's can NOT allow this sorry ass gov't to stonewall or cover this up! This is a turning point in America history and the democrats, MSM, rino republicans better understand things are going to come to ahead if answers are not forthcoming this WEEK!

The question is not WHY, OR IF, the question is WHEN are the American people going to get the answers? Under investigation is not an answer!

22 posted on 10/27/2012 6:37:21 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: OKSooner

Modern laser designators can archive grid locations/GPS coordinates for later use by other platforms. I don’t know about the guy saying that painting a laser on the mortar team means that an AC-130 or armed Predator was overhead at that time. I just don’t know.


23 posted on 10/27/2012 6:41:16 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Jeff Head
Long ago I was a SEAL officer and I attended many joint and combined operational planning meetings in the USA, abroad, and on ships at sea. This type of rescue mission is called a "NEO" operation, for Non-combatant Evacuation Operation. Every embassy and consulate has and practices all kinds of emergency evac plans, in concert with the US military.

For example, Marines and SEALs practice NEO ops prior to deploying on every float, as a VERY high priority mission. They involve full dress-rehearsals, with civilian role players, helos, landing craft, rounding up stranded stragglers, opfor ambushes, role-playing "angry mobs," fighting your way to LZs or even beaches while protecting a gaggle of civilians down to babies etc. Conducting successful NEO ops is a TOP TOP TOP military and state department mission priority. I cannot emphasize this enough. NEO ops are planned and practiced over and over and over.

When the alarm goes off worldwide that an embassy or consulate is being attacked, the entire U.S. military swings into rescue mode, without waiting for any orders from the White House. The military does all of the operational planning and begins to execute the rescue op.

The one thing they CAN'T do is cross an international border without permission from POTUS. So the US Military will be inbound full-steam-ahead to make the rescue, and all they need from POTUS is a "proceed" order. In this case, they got a "stand down" instead.

This is at the POTUS level, it is not a decision taken at State. State and the military (JCS) should be in the Situation Room with POTUS soon after a critical incident like this begins, so all decisions can be made in real time. (I have heard nowhere that POTUS went into the Situation Room at all. Apparently he went to the Oval Office briefly, but not down to the Situation Room, where the "war planning" screens, full staffs and commo tools are all located for dealing with a major crisis.)

But if POTUS punts after a brief Oval Office meeting with Dempsey and Hillary and goes upstairs to the family quarters....the stranded Americans will die.

Only POTUS can give the order to cross international borders. Only POTUS can allow US warplanes to give air support to Americans battling on the ground in a foreign country. If POTUS makes himself unavailable, the Americans will die.

Even the VEEP or Secretary of State cannot make that call. The VEEP can only do it if the POTUS is determined to be medically unable to perform his functions. If the POTUS goes upstairs and turns off his phone, there is nothing anybody can do about it. Nothing. And the besieged Americans will die.

On Friday an anonymous Pentagon insider ("Doug") called into Rush with a lot of new details about this disgraceful fiasco. But what we really need now is for a high-ranking officer with insider knowledge to go public, risk his pension and career, and tell the truth.

The blame for this humiliating and shameful national disgrace is pointing directly at the POTUS, and America needs to know why the inbound rescue operation was aborted.

24 posted on 10/27/2012 6:42:40 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Aria

Maybe the big 0 was afraid the plane might get shot down by one of our SAMs that Al Queda has.


25 posted on 10/27/2012 6:43:51 AM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: oh8eleven

My pops said the same thing. His outfit called in Puff on a ville the VC had occupied. This was done at night. He said it looked like curtains of lightning coming down to the ground.

When they went to recon the ville in the morning, he said it was if someone swept the village away.

If there was an gunship over the embassy, that’s probably a good ten guys you are going to have to keep quiet about this. There is most definitely an AAR (After Action Review) report written.

I just hope the flight commander kept a copy for himself, squirreled away.

This disgrace needs to be exposed.


26 posted on 10/27/2012 6:45:01 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: OKSooner
This is the Popular Science/Tom Clancy version: The spotter cross-hairs a target. An IR laser beam is sent, and "illuminates" the target, and the Herkybird, orbiting, sees the reflected IR designator in his IR gun sight. (It's invisible to normal human vision.)

A targeting computer can be locked onto the Designator to make any final adjustments, which will put 40mm rounds within a few inches of the laser dot. The pilot then can get a "weapons free..." from the sat phone and unleash Hell from a button on the control yoke. Sadly, guess who is on the other end of the sat phone?

27 posted on 10/27/2012 6:48:03 AM PDT by jonascord (Democrats are the people on the Left Side of the IQ Bell Curve.)
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To: no-to-illegals

“When surrounded...”

I cannot say about ‘surrounded’ but out gunned for sure.

First you pray they hurry.

Then you pray the pilot has a steady hand.

Over the target, you see a thin orange stripe in the sky.

Often wiggly like a garden hose in an unsteady hand, everyone knows all the numbers about Puff.

Head down in the dirt pray some more.

You hear the bullets impacting, jam your face deeper into the dirt.

You hear the roar of the mini guns, like an all clear on this pass. The bullets travel much faster then the speed of sound.

Starlight scope and or illumination... We are still here.

Thank you God.


28 posted on 10/27/2012 6:49:36 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: Travis McGee

Travis- thank you for your service and thank you for this very insightful explanation of NEO missions.


29 posted on 10/27/2012 6:55:56 AM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: Molon Labbie

Puff The Magic Dragon as the C130 was called at that time. The best I can describe it when they cut lose it looked like a solid beam of light coming down,tracers, made a sound like meat frying-sizzling it fired so fast. The ground or jungle looked like a rototiller had been thru it!


30 posted on 10/27/2012 6:59:33 AM PDT by Lees Swrd ("Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well")
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To: I still care

Hear! hear!


31 posted on 10/27/2012 7:02:25 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
And an AMEN, goes up to God for Puff. It goes without saying, so will not say. Amen, FRiend.
32 posted on 10/27/2012 7:03:44 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Travis McGee

Good post. Painting is not proof an armed platform was above. They can paint to record digital coordinates that can be used later. But if proof arises that an armed platform was told to stand down, then there is a real problem. The order didn’t come from CIA or the military, that leaves one source with that kind of authority. POTUS. I would think this sort of breach would be easily impeachable.


33 posted on 10/27/2012 7:05:43 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag
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To: RedMDer
I'm being cautious. The article says "There were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of Operation Unified Protector." That's not in the Fox news story. Where did it come from? Were they still there? Or back at Sigonella?

We just don't know if it was an armed drone or an AC 130U that he was painting the target for.

34 posted on 10/27/2012 7:06:23 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Molon Labbie
"This disgrace needs to be exposed."

Two former SEALs ran to the sound of the guns to help their countrymen - risking and losing their lives in the process. I'm afraid obama's betrayal will ultimately be successfully buried unless those with first-hand knowledge are will to step forward like Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty did.

I know it's very easy for me to recommend that someone else step up, but the obama narrative will prevail with the active support of the MSM unless somebody with real first-hand information tells the truth.

35 posted on 10/27/2012 7:06:32 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: oh8eleven
Thank You for your Service, FRiend. May God Bless You and Yours.
36 posted on 10/27/2012 7:07:57 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Aria
Bttt.

5.56mm

37 posted on 10/27/2012 7:08:42 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Aria
Shades of “Blackhawk Down” in 1993 that made UBL the big dog on the block in the terrorist world.

Wonder who the big dog in the terrorist world is now?

38 posted on 10/27/2012 7:11:41 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Aria

As long as the pretender to the throne and his court of jesters are walking free anything less than seeing them “Brought to Justice” is a mockery.

Nothing in the world would be more pleasing to than to see obama, hillary, panetta and the rest of that ill begotten crew behind bars for all eternity.


39 posted on 10/27/2012 7:21:59 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (With (R)epublicans like these, who needs (D)emocrats?)
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To: bert

you nailed it.


40 posted on 10/27/2012 7:22:08 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: no-to-illegals

After the third or fourth change of aircraft (refuel, re-ammo) of the night, pray that “Spooky” (Puff) still knows where your perimeter is.

I carried a buddy’s body to the medevac bird. He had 5 to 7 rounds in his chest from errant Spooky fire.

Spooky DID keep us from being overrun that night by an NVA battalion.

“The rate of friendly fire deaths for all U.S. troops in World War II was 12-14 percent; Vietnam, 10-14 percent; Grenada, 13 percent; and Panama, 6 percent.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-1391626.html

“$*&% Happens”


41 posted on 10/27/2012 7:25:04 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: DJ MacWoW
This really jumps out to me;
Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander based on information directly from the target area. If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta [sic] says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed. If that SEAL was actively “painting” a target; something was on station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to POTUS!

We owe it to those men to keep this information alive and keep the pressure on to get the truth.
42 posted on 10/27/2012 7:27:52 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=om93destr)
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If you agree, please click the "Like"

43 posted on 10/27/2012 7:29:05 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=om93destr)
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To: BwanaNdege
You are correct FRiend, __it Happens. Thank You for your Service, FRiend! May God Bless All Who Have Done Their Duty!
44 posted on 10/27/2012 7:29:37 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: RedMDer
Absolutely!!

I did a Bing search last night on "Benghazi". Only a few articles came up, Fox, Washington Times and...........NBC. All NBC did was quote Fox and the article wasn't linked on their main page. I read the comments. Wow! People were FURIOUS that the news is not covering this. Not one comment defending Obama. All of them yelling for Benghazi to be covered by the press.

45 posted on 10/27/2012 7:36:18 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Aria

The more we know the less we want to know, because the perp is going to go free, and if I was free to voice my disapproval, I would be zotted for life. We have been attacked once again without a response. Remaining comments self censored out of self preservation.


46 posted on 10/27/2012 7:40:58 AM PDT by wita
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To: Aria

A lot of assertions are made in this article without proof, sourcing or backup. I hope that someone among those who know the truth will step forward and tell it - soon.


47 posted on 10/27/2012 7:57:46 AM PDT by karnage
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To: Travis McGee
" Modern laser designators can archive grid locations/GPS coordinates for later use by other platforms."

That's an answer.

Thanks.

48 posted on 10/27/2012 8:01:08 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: Covenantor

AC-130U Gunship, Puff the Magic Dragon redux


49 posted on 10/27/2012 8:15:14 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Travis McGee

Amen to every bot of that, my friend! You should be one of the ones talking on Fox NEws, Limbaugh, and elsewhere.

Maybe General Ham will do it...there are rumors that he ordered the help in and was overruled by Obama to the point of being relieved during the meeting. Someone must do it. They will be an American heroe for so dong from now on.

We have an abject traitor in the Whote House. He is now getting desperate. He allowed Americans to die...and was willing, IMHO, to allow them all to die, and betrayed them in order to cover up his even larger betrayal of all of America because of what this whole thing was about.

If he will stoop to this level...it also means our entire nation is in grave danger as we approach this election.

With these revelations, I would put absolutely NOPTHING past them. Remember, join us and be BRAVE for America. In addition to working hard, pray and fast and follow II Chron 7:14, we need His help now as never before.

Be BRAVE for America on November 6th
http://www.facebook.com/bebraveforamericanov6th


50 posted on 10/27/2012 8:55:28 AM PDT by Jeff Head ( Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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