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Obama still lying; He Knew Within Minutes
AmericanThinker.com ^ | 10/26/2012 | James Lewis

Posted on 10/27/2012 6:35:37 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

Fact 1: According to Special Ops Lt, Colonel "Doug" calling Rush Limbaugh today, there are standing orders for instant flash communication about any attacks on US Ambassadors or four-star generals. As soon as the assault on the Benghazi mission started, local personnel notified the US Embassy in Tripoli, which triggered an instant alarm in Washington, DC. The President's military aide knows within a few minutes and is required to notify POTUS immediately. Two separate "In Extremis" rescue teams were alerted, a C-130 was ready, and F-18 jet bombers. US personnel laser-spotted the Libyan mortar team that killed Americans, pointing the way for bombs that never came. This is an historic video of instant testimony by Rush Limbaugh's military caller. No need to wait for an "investigation" long after the election.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


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KEYWORDS: absentpresident; benghazi; emptychair; generalcarterham; rush
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1 posted on 10/27/2012 6:35:40 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux
I can hear him...."This is no time for war. Tell them to stand down. Let's see what happens."

Well we know what happened.

2 posted on 10/27/2012 6:38:20 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (r)
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To: Sacajaweau
And the military disregarded orders to stand down and, for that, Gen. Carter F Ham, head of Africom, was relieved of duty.

To quote Joe Biden, that's a BFD!

3 posted on 10/27/2012 6:45:22 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: RoosterRedux

The truth is that the commander in chief, the current occupant of the oval office, chose not to stop his co-religionists from murdering an ambassador and American soldiers. His loyalty is for them, not for Americans.

He said it! he said that in time of crisis he would stand by his co-religionists! HE SAID IT!

He has consistently refused to condemn attacks by his co-religionists on normal people. He has consistently condemned attacks on his co-religionists. He condemned the recent attack on a Christian neighborhood of Beirut ONLY because one of his co-religionists was also killed. He didn’t care about the Christians murdered.

The conclusion is obvious!


4 posted on 10/27/2012 6:45:40 AM PDT by I want the USA back (The media is completely irresponsible.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Another excellent piece by James Lewis. All of his other writings have been more involved and detailed. Since he published one of his regular columns yesterday, he must have really been concerned to publish this only one day later as a blog entry.

I think we are are flabbergasted at 0bama's lies and furious at his dereliction of duty.

5 posted on 10/27/2012 6:46:22 AM PDT by Ziva (Check out the great art blog at http://blog.RetroCollage.com/)
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To: RoosterRedux

Rooster, Rush’s caller left an indelible mark on my mind and spirit. It was as though he was speaking the most important words we would ever hear. A warning. He left no wiggle room and even surpassed Rush’s normal brilliance in his confident presentation of the facts. Rush ended up saying “So, someone failed to make a gutsy call.” No, not quite. Guts had nothing to do with it. Someone failed to unleash the splendor that is our trained and ready military. Someone held them back. Why?


6 posted on 10/27/2012 6:46:53 AM PDT by FryingPan101 (2016 looms)
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To: Sacajaweau

I was listening to Savage last night on the radio, and others this week . . . no one is asking where was/is Valerie Jarrett in all of this? Wasn’t she the one who told/advised O NOT to go after Osama THREE times? I betcha dollars to donuts her dirty hands are all over this. Between her and Axelrod, they cautioned the pResident to do NOTHING so as not to put his re-election efforts in danger . . . arghhhhhhh


7 posted on 10/27/2012 6:47:26 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (Romney/Ryan 2012 The Future of Our Children and Their Children are at stake.)
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To: FryingPan101
Yep. I think the military must be really p!ssed about what has happened.

And if the order to stand down came from the president (and it must have had Obama's approval), Gen Ham's action was remarkable.

He basically said "Obama, you're not my CIC."

8 posted on 10/27/2012 6:51:00 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: Sacajaweau

I hear a more subdued voice. Nothing so strong as “this is no time for war”

Perhaps that was a thought mixed with “God, what do I do now” and “please pour me another cup of coffee” and general dithering. The result was that there was no order given amongst the pacifist thought babble.


9 posted on 10/27/2012 6:54:29 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: RoosterRedux
Long ago I was a SEAL officer and I attended many joint and combined operational planning meetings in the USA, abroad, and on ships at sea. This type of rescue mission is called a "NEO" operation, for Non-combatant Evacuation Operation. Every embassy and consulate has and practices all kinds of emergency evac plans, in concert with the US military.

For example, Marines and SEALs practice NEO ops prior to deploying on every float, as a VERY high priority mission. They involve full dress-rehearsals, with civilian role players, helos, landing craft, rounding up stranded stragglers, opfor ambushes, role-playing "angry mobs," fighting your way to LZs or even beaches while protecting a gaggle of civilians down to babies etc. Conducting successful NEO ops is a TOP TOP TOP military and state department mission priority. I cannot emphasize this enough. NEO ops are planned and practiced over and over and over.

When the alarm goes off worldwide that an embassy or consulate is being attacked, the entire U.S. military swings into rescue mode, without waiting for any orders from the White House. The military does all of the operational planning and begins to execute the rescue op.

The one thing they CAN'T do is cross an international border without permission from POTUS. So the US Military will be inbound full-steam-ahead to make the rescue, and all they need from POTUS is a "proceed" order. In this case, they got a "stand down" instead.

This is at the POTUS level, it is not a decision taken at State. State and the military (JCS) should be in the Situation Room with POTUS soon after a critical incident like this begins, so all decisions can be made in real time. (I have heard nowhere that POTUS went into the Situation Room at all. Apparently he went to the Oval Office briefly, but not down to the Situation Room, where the "war planning" screens, full staffs and commo tools are all located for dealing with a major crisis.)

But if POTUS punts after a brief Oval Office meeting with Dempsey and Hillary and goes upstairs to the family quarters....the stranded Americans will die.

Only POTUS can give the order to cross international borders. Only POTUS can allow US warplanes to give air support to Americans battling on the ground in a foreign country. If POTUS makes himself unavailable, the Americans will die.

Even the VEEP or Secretary of State cannot make that call. The VEEP can only do it if the POTUS is determined to be medically unable to perform his functions. If the POTUS goes upstairs and turns off his phone, there is nothing anybody can do about it. Nothing. And the besieged Americans will die.

On Friday an anonymous Pentagon insider ("Doug") called into Rush with a lot of new details about this disgraceful fiasco. But what we really need now is for a high-ranking officer with insider knowledge to go public, risk his pension and career, and tell the truth.

The blame for this humiliating and shameful national disgrace is pointing directly at the POTUS, and America needs to know why the inbound rescue operation was aborted.

10 posted on 10/27/2012 7:00:14 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

11 posted on 10/27/2012 7:01:45 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: bert
The result was that there was no order given amongst the pacifist thought babble.

The weird thing here is that Obama gave an order of "Stand Down"...and his general in charge (Carter Ham) disobeyed it and was immediately relieved of duty.

12 posted on 10/27/2012 7:02:22 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: Travis McGee

Thx for that, Travis! Adds much clarity to this situation.


13 posted on 10/27/2012 7:08:39 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: Travis McGee

Thank you.
Praying a true Patriot steps forward to nail him to the wall.


14 posted on 10/27/2012 7:10:19 AM PDT by nevermorelenore
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To: RoosterRedux

-—— Obama gave an order of “Stand Down”-——

I have seen no evidence of that order in those words. I would expect a more lawyerly and ambiguous and meaningless statement that could not be interpreted as attack.


15 posted on 10/27/2012 7:12:30 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: RoosterRedux

I don’t understand. If Ham disobeyed Obama’s order to “Stand Down”, why did the assistance not happen? Are you saying Ham gave the go ahead and the order was instantly over ruled? Who overrulled it??? This is the first I have heard that during the response a General disobeyed and was immediately relieved of duty.


16 posted on 10/27/2012 7:12:51 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: RoosterRedux; All

According to the official government web site, Gen. Ham is still heading Africom, with no adverse news coverage for the last 6 months.

http://www.africom.mil/GenCarterHam.asp

There is plenty of fair criticism for this administrations failures in the Middle East. Let’s not distract people from those with false charges and hysteria...


17 posted on 10/27/2012 7:13:43 AM PDT by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the party of Amnesty, Abortion, and Adolescence)
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To: bert

See Post 10 above for clarification of that issue by Travis McGee.


18 posted on 10/27/2012 7:15:26 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: bt_dooftlook

I will try to find a source for my statement.


19 posted on 10/27/2012 7:16:44 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: Qwackertoo
Less than 5% of the population knows who Valerie (born in Teheran) Jarrett is and what she does.

The enemies of America act while the people sleep.

20 posted on 10/27/2012 7:17:38 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Travis McGee

” But what we really need now is for a high-ranking officer with insider knowledge to go public, risk his pension and career, and tell the truth.”

Hmmm. Thank you for this post.

Who? If not now, when?


21 posted on 10/27/2012 7:21:22 AM PDT by FryingPan101 (2016 looms)
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To: nevermorelenore

That’s my prayer too. One general with honor on “Meet the Press” could blow the traitor-in-chief right out of the water.


22 posted on 10/27/2012 7:21:22 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: bert
"I have seen no evidence of that order in those words. I would expect a more lawyerly and ambiguous and meaningless statement that could not be interpreted as attack."

Maybe obama voted "present" by making himself unavailable to issue any kind of order.

23 posted on 10/27/2012 7:22:48 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Qwackertoo

I agree, no one is pointing any fingers at her over this yet. I want to see her do some serious jail time for her crimes against our country.


24 posted on 10/27/2012 7:26:56 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: FryingPan101

That’s my question. Do they only care about their next promotion and their pensions?

What about Duty, Honor, Country?

What about the “core values” such as honor, courage and integrity?

Is the only thing that matters that damn pension? Are our flag-rank officers nothing but heartless mercenaries?


25 posted on 10/27/2012 7:27:42 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: bt_dooftlook; TigerClaws
Here's one report from a Freeper (I have heard this from other source and will try to locate a source)...
To: TigerClaws

I heard a story today from someone inside the military that I trust entirely. The story was in reference to General Ham that Panetta referenced in the quote below.

quote:
“(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place,” Panetta told Pentagon reporters. “And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.”

The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.

General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.

The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham’s place as the head of Africon.

I found this story when I got home after hearing this story.

quote:
President Barack Obama will nominate Army Gen. David Rodriguez to succeed Gen. Carter Ham as commander of U.S. Africa Command and Marine Lt. Gen. John Paxton to succeed Gen. Joseph Dunford as assistant commandant of the Marine Corps, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced.

As I was typing this I heard John Bolton on Greta say that there are conflicting reports of General Ham’s comments on this tragedy and why a rapid response unit was not deployed. Bolton says someone needs to find out what Ham was saying on 9/11/12.

2 posted on Friday, October 26, 2012 10:59:42 PM by TigerClaws

26 posted on 10/27/2012 7:31:23 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: RoosterRedux

The White House can now claim they got Bin Laden, Doherty and Woods.


27 posted on 10/27/2012 7:32:36 AM PDT by Starstruck (Looking into the abyss.)
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To: RoosterRedux

was he relieved? when? or are you being hypothetical?


28 posted on 10/27/2012 7:33:05 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: TigerClaws

Do you have any additional info on the Gen Ham story?


29 posted on 10/27/2012 7:33:41 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: RoosterRedux
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30 posted on 10/27/2012 7:33:50 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Gadsden1st
GEN Ham can give the order to launch the rescue force but cannot give the EXORD (Read: Execute Order). Only POTUS can do this. I strongly believe that the Desert One debacle in 1980 was in the President's advisers minds when they told all to stand down. They were worried about the potential for escalation into a full blown fire fight between American Military forces and Libyan militias that we just supported by the way. It was probably Jarret that convinced the POTUS four lives are acceptable but a new conflict in Libya will doom his chances for re election. Just like Desert One did for Carter. This issue is becoming more sickening by the minute.

POTUS should be impeached for derliction of duty as CINC.

31 posted on 10/27/2012 7:36:19 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: RoosterRedux

Well, my guess is Valerie Jarrett probably knew.


32 posted on 10/27/2012 7:41:40 AM PDT by pollyshy
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To: Walkingfeather

See post 17. I saw this at another source and am trying to locate.


33 posted on 10/27/2012 7:41:57 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: I want the USA back

What conclusion, that he is a liar when he says he is a Christian, or that he is a traitor, colluding with people who have declared war on us to betray Americas interests to the enemy.

One is punishable by hanging, the other by burning in hell for eternity.


34 posted on 10/27/2012 7:42:26 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: bt_dooftlook

Gen. Ham was named head of AFRICOM only 19 months ago.

Now there is this

http://www.africom.mil/getArticle.asp?art=8383&lang=0


35 posted on 10/27/2012 7:43:25 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Travis McGee

WOW thanks for that info on how it actually works. Wow. And thank you very much for your service to our country.


36 posted on 10/27/2012 7:47:37 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (Romney/Ryan 2012 The Future of Our Children and Their Children are at stake.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Help me out. What did Ham do and when was he relieved?


37 posted on 10/27/2012 7:57:03 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: RoosterRedux

The lie is the weapon used most often by the criminal.


38 posted on 10/27/2012 7:59:01 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: RoosterRedux

thanks


39 posted on 10/27/2012 8:00:19 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: RoosterRedux
IIRC, it was originally on the Ulsterman Report, but I can't find it now either
40 posted on 10/27/2012 8:02:35 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Roccus; All

Thank you for your clarifications.

I understand that that is a very short tour of duty.

My question (I guess) is: If the General felt strongly enough to override a direct order, why hasn’t he resigned and gone public with this?


41 posted on 10/27/2012 8:09:07 AM PDT by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the party of Amnesty, Abortion, and Adolescence)
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To: RoosterRedux

New thread on change of command at AFRICOM

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2951017/posts


42 posted on 10/27/2012 8:09:07 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: RoosterRedux

“Obama gave an order of “Stand Down”...and his general in charge (Carter Ham) disobeyed it and was immediately relieved of duty. “

what happened here....to General Ham...is absolute proof of exactly WHO (Obama-the CIC) said WHAT.


43 posted on 10/27/2012 8:15:56 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

I’m looking for solid sources for this now. Will keep you pinged.


44 posted on 10/27/2012 8:29:15 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: Flag_This; RoosterRedux

——Maybe obama voted “present” by making himself unavailable to issue any kind of order.-——

I can accept that as an alternate possibility. In action is his forte.


45 posted on 10/27/2012 8:29:34 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: RoosterRedux
Let me help:

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/26/ac-130u-gunship-was-on-scene-in-benghazi-obama-admin-refused-to-let-it-fire/

If the above story is true, and the AC-130 was on station, it would have been under Gen. Ham's command. Correct?

Here is another interesting link: http://www.blackfive.net/main/

46 posted on 10/27/2012 8:42:08 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: RoosterRedux

The facts suggest there was disagreement between the White House and General Ham.


47 posted on 10/27/2012 8:43:36 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The first priority is get Obama out of the White House.)
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To: RoosterRedux

The facts suggest there was disagreement between the White House and General Ham.


48 posted on 10/27/2012 8:44:00 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The first priority is get Obama out of the White House.)
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To: Travis McGee

This is an impeachable offense. I see this as a high crime against the sovereignty of the United States and a failure to “faithfully execute his assigned duties.”


49 posted on 10/27/2012 8:46:11 AM PDT by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: RoosterRedux
This Communist monster Obama purposely withheld aid to these Americans for political reasons. Obama and the media are an accessory to murder. the media and Obama dared to twist this against Romney for saying the truth. the media is keeping Romney quiet with this threat of attacking him for poulticing the deaths but it was Obama who murdered them for political reasons. It's infuriating that the media is covering for this monster Obama and the people don't know.

This POS commmunist Obama and the media are lying peices of crap.

50 posted on 10/27/2012 8:50:12 AM PDT by rurgan (give laws an expiration date:so the congress has to review every 4 years to see if needed)
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