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Panetta Says We Lacked Real-Time Benghazi Intel
IBD EDITORIALS ^ | October 27, 2012 | Staff

Posted on 10/27/2012 7:29:20 AM PDT by raptor22

Edited on 10/27/2012 8:13:21 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: TomGuy

-——The denials came before Woods and Doherty disobeyed orders and ran to engage-——

Based on my understanding of the Fox news piece by Gregg Palcott, they did not run to engage. Rather in the larger context, they ran to disengage, to facilitates retreat, to rescue those at the consulate.

They were partially successful but could not find the Ambassador. They returned to a defensive position that turned out to be the Alamo or Wake Island. There was no final rescue from afar, no cavalry charge from across the plain.


51 posted on 10/27/2012 8:47:49 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Right Wing Assault
the basic principle is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on, without having some real-time information about what's taking place.

They had real time intelligence from the surveillance drones. They had real time intelligence from communication with those under fire. Intelligence does not get any better than that and it is in real time. If Dwight D Eisenhower used the same standards in WWII we would still be waiting in the South of England to launch D Day.

Leon Paneta is a lying scoundrel with not one picogram of integrity in his entire body and soul.

52 posted on 10/27/2012 8:48:16 AM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: blueunicorn6
Really. What ever happened to "Ride to the sound of the guns?"

Maybe no AC130 was there, but Benghazi is right on the coast--are we to believe that all our combined military resources in the area including offshore Naval assets didn't have a few helicopter gunships and a platoon of Marines available within an hour's flight time? If so then Romney is right--our Navy is not big enough.

53 posted on 10/27/2012 8:49:07 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: raptor22

I never served in the military, and if I had, it would have been one grade under tenderfoot — it would have been underfoot.
Still, I always thought that “going into harm’s way” is what they DO. Going with good intelligence on what they’re up against, is preferred, but not sine qua non.


54 posted on 10/27/2012 8:50:46 AM PDT by HomeAtLast (Please proceed, Governor. To the White House.)
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To: raptor22

Leon Panetta, just another low life, dirt bag, Obama Democrat traitor!!! End of story!!!


55 posted on 10/27/2012 8:50:46 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: raptor22

Why does WH believe voters will nod their heads and say, Yes, incompetence is an acceptable excuse and good substitute for the only other explanation — corruption and deliberate negligence?

Unbelievable.

GET OUT OF THE WH!!!


56 posted on 10/27/2012 8:52:13 AM PDT by 4Liberty (Some on our "Roads & Bridges" head to the beach. Others head to their offices, farms, libraries....)
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To: raptor22

“I got your back.” - Barry Soetoro


57 posted on 10/27/2012 8:52:34 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Osama bin Laden is dead, Chrysler moved to Italy and China.)
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To: 4Liberty

Half of the people on my FB list would.

And then they would start ranting about Bush and Cheney

The stupidity of a large number of our fellow citizens is astounding.


58 posted on 10/27/2012 8:54:02 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: hinckley buzzard
then Romney is right--our Navy is not big enough

With all the different points being pointed in different directions, I want to Thank You for that point! Thank You!

59 posted on 10/27/2012 8:54:33 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: raptor22

Panetta says “intel” as though it is some kind of voo-doo unknown to mere mortals. The ONLY piece of knowledge that he needed was to know the consulate was under direct attack and he had that through video, emails, phone calls, and even radio communications. The military has protocols for handling the unknowns while cowards like him and Obama only had to tell the military to execute their protocols.

Panetta is lying to protect Obama and that FACT that Obama went to bed that night after refusing to give the only thing needed from him, the order to save the consulate.


60 posted on 10/27/2012 8:54:37 AM PDT by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: Travis McGee

“... This type of rescue mission is called a “NEO” operation, for Non-combatant Evacuation Operation. ... Only POTUS can allow US warplanes to give air support to Americans battling on the ground in a foreign country. If POTUS makes himself unavailable, the Americans will die. ...”

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YES YES YES!

Yours is the most detailed outline of this process that I have yet seen. I know from my military experience this exists, but was never involved, so you taught me a lot here.

Please try to phone various outlets like Glenn Beck, Hannity, Levin, Rush, etc., and get this read on air. Please be persistent, maybe EMailing them. Perhaps you can get a hold of Hannity through Twitter, also. Give your phone number to them and ask them to give it to other show hosts so you can repeat it more than once. Please spend the time using your experience here to educate all of America, not only FReepers.

Excellent description. Thanks.


61 posted on 10/27/2012 8:56:39 AM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: Travis McGee

There is no chance in hell that the CJCS was not informed of any assets available and that he did not offer those for use. And only one person could say no.

The CIA & the State Department don’t get to make those decisions. Heck, within minutes of the attacks being reported on the news, any Sq/CC with forces that MIGHT be able to respond started planning TO respond, just in case called. I’d bet a lot of stateside units were told to look at what it might take.

Military force was offered as an option. And Hillary didn’t have authority to say no...


62 posted on 10/27/2012 8:58:43 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Delta Dawn

My original posts got me kicked off of Free Republic for 24 hours. I used some bad language. I’m an old military guy and I became very upset over Panetta’s comments. I really don’t swear unless I think I need to. In the Service, I swore because Soldiers get tired and lazy. Swearing let’s them know they better shape up. When I was a shavetail Second Lieutenant, Captain Francis “NO SLACK!” Andrews locked my heels and dressed me up one side and down the other for not taking care of my Soldiers. He did it in front of my platoon. He was absolutely right and I had it coming. I’ve always tried to take care of Soldiers after that and by taking care of them, I mean getting them home alive. I wasn’t trying to be funny. People need to wake up. I guess everyone’s tired and lazy. I can’t swear or they kick me off. That’s their privilege. Maybe they’re right. Whatever. People have got to start getting mad. Captain Andrews gave me a priceless gift by dressing me down. I wish I could pass it on to Panetta and the admirals and generals.


63 posted on 10/27/2012 8:58:52 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: jdsteel

jdsteel, you’re right - people are risking their careers - and this SHOULD be bigger than Watergate - but the MSM isn’t covering this story.

There’s a system in the press about who and what’s important... it’s been years since I heard it so this isn’t exact - or even close. It goes like this:

Deaths that make the front page:

If more than 10,000 people from India, Iran, or Bangladesh

5,000 Russians

1,000 soldiers in one situation

1,000 whites if killed by blacks in crime situations

More than 100 if caused by a natural disaster

10 if the natural disaster happens in New York or Washington DC

One person if gay and killed by a conservative

One person if black and killed by a white conservative

One person if Muslim and killed by a conservative.


64 posted on 10/27/2012 9:00:54 AM PDT by GOPJ ('TRUTH is the Enemy of Democrat Thuggishness: Spread it like Napalm!' w/apology to Eric Allen Bell)
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To: raptor22

do they ever stop with their lies and B/S


65 posted on 10/27/2012 9:03:42 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: raptor22

That’s a lie: we had a drone overhead showing realtime
ocurances.


66 posted on 10/27/2012 9:03:42 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: raptor22
That's a lie: we had a drone overhead showing real time
occurrences.
67 posted on 10/27/2012 9:04:10 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: P-Marlowe; Raptor; Lancey Howard; jazusamo; bigheadfred; Jim Robinson; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
They keep asking why the US gov't is trying to keep this quiet.

The 20,000 missing MANPADS: It was on Free Republic at about the time these men were killed on about 9/12.

Jennifer Griffin reported again yesterday what was discussed on FR over a month ago. Obama allowed the Muslim Brotherhood and their al quaeda pals access to 20,000 manpads, one man anti-aircraft, shoulder-fired missiles with capabilities of defeating current commerical counter-measures. I know the article is here on Free Republic because I participated in the discussion....and I think Lancey did, and I think you did too. (See below)

The American special operators, Woods, Doherty and at least two others were part of the Global Response Staff, a CIA element, based at the CIA annex and were protecting CIA operators who were part of a mission to track and repurchase arms in Benghazi that had proliferated in the wake of Muammar Qaddafi's fall. Part of their mission was to find the more than 20,000 missing MANPADS, or shoulder-held missiles capable of bringing down a commercial aircraft. According to a source on the ground at the time of the attack, the team inside the CIA annex had captured three Libyan attackers and was forced to hand them over to the Libyans. U.S. officials do not know what happened to those three attackers and whether they were released by the Libyan forces. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/#ixzz2AQLj6krm

20,000 missing manpads can bring commercial air traffic to a halt, just about world wide.

THIS is what Obama is trying to hide. It is plausible to assume THIS is what led to NO rescue for these men, and why they were WANTED dead.

A media report on Obama's 20,000 missing anti-aircraft missiles has the ability to bring down Obama.

68 posted on 10/27/2012 9:05:40 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: raptor22

Truth to tell, all the deadheads in this administration lack intelligence, real time or not.


69 posted on 10/27/2012 9:07:03 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: CodeToad
Panetta says “intel” as though it is some kind of voo-doo unknown to mere mortals. The ONLY piece of knowledge that he needed was to know the consulate was under direct attack and he had that through video, emails, phone calls, and even radio communications. The military has protocols for handling the unknowns while cowards like him and Obama only had to tell the military to execute their protocols.

No kidding - these are the same people who wanted to fry President Bush for taking a few seconds to collect his thoughts in front of a group of children when he was told of the original 9/11 attacks.

Had the clowns in charge now been in charge then, who knows how many more would have died while they were waiting to "perfect their intel"?

70 posted on 10/27/2012 9:09:27 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Zer0 Fiddled While Tyrone Burned. Impeachment NOW! !!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Richard Nixon was probably the pre-eminent foreign policy president of the last century. He would never had gotten us into this dangerous, precarious adventuristic situation in the first place.

The whole reason this debacle happened is because for president we have a gibbering idiot who thinks he is a genius, trying to "punch above his weight."

Frickin' Obama, man. Just wow. Four whole years of this crap. Amazed we're still alive.

71 posted on 10/27/2012 9:11:26 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: bert

I’ve been reading up on this as much as I can.

Right now we already know exactly what we are going to get from the WH.

Now I’m wondering...at what point does congress step up to the plate?
Is Darryl Issa the only one trying to hold these criminals accountable?

Does Boehner still go to work everyday?

What the heck is being done to bring in people who were there - not the egg heads - but the actual people monitoring the video and flying the planes - or preparing the planes?
Where is General Ham?

Why aren’t all the players being hauled before Congress?
This is criminal. This is treason.

There was large number of our military prepared to go in and then told to stand down.
Have they been gagged?


72 posted on 10/27/2012 9:11:54 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: raptor22
Like a first-person request from boots-on-the-ground isn't "real-time intel?"
73 posted on 10/27/2012 9:14:05 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: raptor22; DarthVader

someone forgot to tell “Lying Leon” that state dept personnel including Lt Col Woods had testified under oath before Congress that there was a real time video being watched by people in the state dept.

Leon and the Brown Clown are goin’ down.


74 posted on 10/27/2012 9:14:25 AM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: raptor22

oh bullshit...

Beyond the other plainly obvious means available, NOBODY HAD A SATPHONE? At a Consulate?


75 posted on 10/27/2012 9:19:26 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Sir Clancelot
There has been some “conspiracy talk” out there about how perhaps it was intended that the ambassador was to be taken hostage and exchanged for the blind sheik.

There is a reason, perhaps several related reasons, why obama and company didn't do anything. Why? What is/was obama doing in Libya?

There are several possibilities, but we do know that obama likes to give guns to bad people.

We may not know who he is, but, by his words and actions, we know who he philosophically aligns himself with and we can see and/or suspect which causes he makes his own.

Hey, America! What is it going to take?!? How much clearer does it have to be???

Our willful blindness seems almost like a divine sort of curse or supernatural manipulation. I pray that we wake up, in time.

76 posted on 10/27/2012 9:21:43 AM PDT by GBA (Vote as if your Freedom depended on it...)
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To: Travis McGee

First again thanks for your service active duty and as a “former SEAL”!

You summed up the reality of what happened:

“The one thing they CAN’T do is cross an international border without permission from POTUS. So the US Military will be inbound full-steam-ahead to make the rescue, and all they need from POTUS is a “proceed” order. In this case, they got a “stand down” instead.

“This is at the POTUS level, it is not a decision taken at State. State and the military (JCS) should be in the Situation Room with POTUS soon after a critical incident like this begins, so all decisions can be made in real time. (I have heard nowhere that POTUS went into the Situation Room at all. Apparently he went to the Oval Office briefly, but not down to the Situation Room, where the “war planning” screens, full staffs and commo tools are all located for dealing with a major crisis.)”

“But if POTUS punts after a brief Oval Office meeting with Dempsey and Hillary and goes upstairs to the family quarters....the stranded Americans will die.”

LBJ and Carter are role models for the current traitor posing as POTUS. They and the current Poseur POTUS ignored the requests for permission to engage, and good men died.


77 posted on 10/27/2012 9:23:45 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: Travis McGee
But what we really need now is for a high-ranking officer with insider knowledge to go public, risk his pension and career,

We had one, one who refused to take orders from the commie, Col. Lakin.

78 posted on 10/27/2012 9:25:21 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Travis McGee

First again thanks for your service active duty and as a “former SEAL”!

You summed up the reality of what happened:

“The one thing they CAN’T do is cross an international border without permission from POTUS. So the US Military will be inbound full-steam-ahead to make the rescue, and all they need from POTUS is a “proceed” order. In this case, they got a “stand down” instead.

“This is at the POTUS level, it is not a decision taken at State. State and the military (JCS) should be in the Situation Room with POTUS soon after a critical incident like this begins, so all decisions can be made in real time. (I have heard nowhere that POTUS went into the Situation Room at all. Apparently he went to the Oval Office briefly, but not down to the Situation Room, where the “war planning” screens, full staffs and commo tools are all located for dealing with a major crisis.)”

“But if POTUS punts after a brief Oval Office meeting with Dempsey and Hillary and goes upstairs to the family quarters....the stranded Americans will die.”

LBJ and Carter are role models for the current traitor posing as POTUS. They and the current Poseur POTUS ignored the requests for permission to engage, and good men died.


79 posted on 10/27/2012 9:28:58 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: raptor22
Panetta Says We Lacked

Lacked the desire to stand UP when those were told to stand down. POS commie ba**ards!

80 posted on 10/27/2012 9:29:07 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: raptor22

In other words, don’t EVER be calling 9-1-1.


81 posted on 10/27/2012 9:35:13 AM PDT by bergmeid
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks for sharing that valuable info.

This is beyond outrageous. It is negligent homicide at least.


82 posted on 10/27/2012 9:35:29 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (John Roberts did more to endanger the lives of Americans than all 9/11 hijackers combined.)
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To: Travis McGee
Top post.


83 posted on 10/27/2012 9:40:12 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Travis McGee

Contract civilians, workers, albeit ex-SEALS. In a way they were free. They couldn’t be ordered to stand down, they could be fired. So, free of the bureaucracy, they could act and begin to shape the environment.

There must of been hundreds of O-4 and up. Nada. No one wants to end up on the street. It’s a culture thing. The higher you go, the more you are shaped by our supposed elite institutions, the worse it is. Civilization on auto-destruct.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2104935/Fire-chief-told-policeman-leave-drowning-man-3ft-deep-lake-half-boot-deep.html


84 posted on 10/27/2012 9:48:52 AM PDT by Leisler (11% GDP of borrowing this year alone, gives 2% ( yeah, right ) GDP boost! Woohoo!)
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To: Travis McGee

Travis, thank you for your service, and thank you for explaining this.

What i don’t understand is why Zero didn’t give the go order, so he could be the “heroic” Commander in Chief, saving American lives from terrorists ?

could they have been worried about a black hawk down type ambush ?


85 posted on 10/27/2012 9:49:27 AM PDT by Reverend Wright (Obama explains the ALCS: the Yankees actually played great but lost due to mistakes by Joe Torre)
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To: Travis McGee

“Only POTUS can give the order to cross international borders. Only POTUS can allow US warplanes to give air support to Americans battling on the ground in a foreign country. If POTUS makes himself unavailable, the Americans will die.”

Your whole post here was most informative. Thanks Travis for letting us know your inside experience on this sort of operation. Few of us would understand the subject matter as well without your incisive input.


86 posted on 10/27/2012 9:49:52 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: raptor22; Travis McGee; PhilDragoo; BIGLOOK; ASA Vet

A suggestion for all ambassadors/embassy staff posted in dangerous areas. Don’t depend on help from POTUS, SOD or the SOS.

Buy or rent an Iridium Sat Phone and put Fox News Desk on your speed dial, Free Republic, Drudge and Rush to text or call when you need help.

That way the liars of this administration in charge of denying protection for you, can’t deny that you asked for help:

https://www.satellitephonestore.com/iridium-9505a-complete-kit


87 posted on 10/27/2012 9:56:55 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: raptor22
They were all watching a Real Time War Game, and scrambling to find their JOYSTICKS.
88 posted on 10/27/2012 10:03:51 AM PDT by annieokie (O)
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To: Travis McGee

Thank you for all that you do and for all that you have done.


89 posted on 10/27/2012 10:08:58 AM PDT by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Romney & Ryan.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Travis McGee

90 posted on 10/27/2012 10:09:17 AM PDT by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: Travis McGee

Thank you for your insight and service.

The Administration is nuts to believe there are no military personnel who know what you obviously do.

Ambassadors are unarmed representatives of all American citizens. They cannot defend themselves and should necessarily expect to have the US military - on hand - sent immediately once their lives are threatened.

Seems like something any eighth-grader would know.

Then again, this Administration condones the killing of unarmed, unborn citizens.


91 posted on 10/27/2012 10:13:26 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Life is prickly - carry tweezers.)
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92 posted on 10/27/2012 10:19:57 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=om93destr)
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To: Iron Munro

actually Panetta is one of those registered communists.he is farther left than Obama, if that’s possible.
Scum! All of them.

I sure know what Bush would have done..or mcCain or Palin or romney/ryan.


93 posted on 10/27/2012 10:32:48 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: DarthVader

Our govt has become so huge and bloated that it has become IMPOSSIBLE to even find out who the hell is responsible for anything, Fast & Furious, this debacle, ANYTHING. Someone made this decision and if one of those soldiers who were killed while these despicable f@#$ers sat and watched was my son, I would never forget, someone should be locked the hell up! I honestly don’t know if I could calm down enough to not take it in my own hands. This is absolutely a swinging from a rope offense. Someone is responsible, and I want them in prison, not transferred to another govt agency with a pension and an increase in pay. Meanwhile, Biden makes a comment to a grieving parent about his son’s ‘balls’, which neither of these gutless wonders know a damn thing about. Yes, I’m mad!


94 posted on 10/27/2012 10:39:46 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: Travis McGee

Very well stated!


96 posted on 10/27/2012 10:48:14 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: DarthVader

Start about the one minute mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbOuxqK2T34


97 posted on 10/27/2012 10:51:03 AM PDT by GOPJ ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbOuxqK2T34)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

I could not agree with you more/


98 posted on 10/27/2012 10:58:59 AM PDT by jesseam (eliev)
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To: Travis McGee

Travis, you are spot on!

I recall our MCCRES (Marine Corps Combat Readiness Evaluation System) evaluation at Camp Lejeune, NC prior to deploying with the 24th MAU (now MEU’s) to the Mediterranian Sea in 1978.

The evaluation included NEOPs and we were instructed that this evolution of our evaluation was to ensure we were ready to evacuate Non-combatant Americans in any situation and in particular from US Embassies.

We did a dress rehearsal with many Marines dressed as civilians.


99 posted on 10/27/2012 11:15:24 AM PDT by Joe Marine 76 ("It's The Natural Born Citizenship, Stupid!")
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To: xzins
A media report on Obama's 20,000 missing anti-aircraft missiles has the ability to bring down Obama.

The Democrat "mainstream" newsrooms will do everything in their power to help the African communist spike the story.

100 posted on 10/27/2012 11:17:43 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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