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Obama's Approval Rating Has Collapsed In The Past 3 Days
Business Insider ^ | 10/27/2012 | Brett LoGiurato

Posted on 10/27/2012 6:58:40 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: annieokie

tell us the show please

51 posted on 10/27/2012 9:22:13 PM PDT by stanne
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RE :”Rachel Maddow doesn’t understand ...”

She seems very confident when she talks. Like she is always right.

52 posted on 10/27/2012 9:22:50 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: SeekAndFind

If the Dow Jones Average goes to 12K in the next two weeks, Obama is toast. His favorables have risen and fallen with the market in the last year or so.

53 posted on 10/27/2012 9:36:35 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: I still care
Obama does not have the same conception of the office of the presidency that we have or that his predecessor, George Bush, had. George Bush considered the office to be a sacred trust which he had committed himself to honor for his terms in office. Obama regards the office of the presidency as one more tool to use in his class struggle, a struggle against an unfair system which has no honor in it. The office of the presidency is expedient to Obama not as an unspeakable privilege but as a windfall, much as a weapon picked up on the battlefield to be turned against the enemy.

In my view George Bush had a patrician's distain for campaigning, regarding it as a distasteful necessity in order to gain political power with which to serve the nation but campaigning itself was smarmy and something to be undertaken only as necessary. As a result of this rather Olympian detachment from the give-and-take of the democratic process, Bush made a conscious decision, especially after his reelection in 2004, not to contest many of the issues of the day so long as he got his way in Iraq. Karl Rove in an interview stated that the biggest mistake of the Bush presidency was not to fight back on the issue of, "Bush lied and people died."

By the time of the election of 2006 the narrative of Bush incompetence was well planted with the public by a very hostile media and all Obama had to do in 2008 was to blame George Bush for everything except original sin. This narrative prevailed well into the Obama administration.

It seems to me that a president and a presidential candidate has to strike a balance. On the one hand he solicits the support of the party faithful and he says, give me your vote, your time, your shoe leather, and your money and I will sustain your values, I will be your Paladin. On the other hand, as John Kennedy said, "first you gotta get elected." So the candidate must commit himself to serve a role which comes automatically with the office of the presidency, he becomes the titular head of the party. As such, he owes the party a duty of care and nurturing which George Bush neglected. On the other hand, he owes his conscience and the people a duty of truthfulness and righteousness.

George Bush had these higher qualities in abundance even as he lacked a zest for political battle. Brack Obama does not think that truthfulness, righteousness, or honor are qualities that adhere to the office of the presidency because he believes that the office and the system is fundamentally corrupt. He believes that what he does to undermine the system is fundamentally righteous. His ends justify his means.

We are watching the unwinding of the Obama myth and his exposure as a moral poltroon. Still, most of the media covers for him but he is nevertheless naked before the world for those who choose to see. The media rehabilitated Bill Clinton, maybe they can rehabilitate Brack Obama but I think his loss at the polls in November is now inevitable.

As and when Mitt Romney becomes our new president, his first duty is sacred, it is to his constitutional conscience and his second duty is to the political realities which sustain the party which in turn sustains him. He cannot neglect either one without the nation suffering. If there is an apparent conflict between the two it means that he has somehow gone off the right path.

54 posted on 10/27/2012 9:41:38 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: SeekAndFind

Lets hope that it continues and ends up being 0% approval!
(I know that it’s wishful thinking but I can dream can’t I?)

55 posted on 10/27/2012 9:46:41 PM PDT by Lucky Scrunchy (Hulu has "The Hope and the Change" for free:
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To: Terry Mross

That’s the way I took it as well.

56 posted on 10/27/2012 10:02:53 PM PDT by annieokie (O)
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To: stanne
Judge Jennine Pirro, FOX NEWS, it was last on at 11:00 p.m Central.

Maybe it is up on the FOX website. Sorry if you missed it.

Sometimes they re run and re run on TV, check your listing.

57 posted on 10/27/2012 10:09:32 PM PDT by annieokie (O)
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To: SeekAndFind

Now the Conservative Community just need to 1. Have a Plan A in order to prevent voter fraud from being used to get Obama reelected 2. A Plan B, C, D, E, F through Z to allow us to prepare to handle the worst case disaster scenario that Obama gets elected through voter fraud and other means. What are the Plans A through Z that we have ?

58 posted on 10/27/2012 10:19:20 PM PDT by emax
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“Too many people in this country either served in the military or had loved ones serve - and the idea that a United States President would stand by and watch four men die - for nothing”


As for the first part of this comment—you are absolutely right; it was an outrageous incident and my prayers are with the families.

*switching to sarcastic mode* And yet, I don’t believe it was for nothing. Didn’t he have some important party to attend in Vegas? Priorities, people!! /s

It makes me ill.

59 posted on 10/28/2012 5:16:38 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (Pray for America. She is the world's last best hope for freedom.)
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To: nathanbedford

Excellent, cognizant, analysis on the difference between the left and right. I’ve actually often discussed just what you said with my mother, from another angle.

People are a product of their basic philosophies, IMHO. So many people don’t seem to understand that. It comes out in both large and small ways. To understand a person’s worldview is to understand why they do what they do, and makes them at least semi-predictable. That’s why none of us here were surprised by anything Obama did while everyone else was. That’s why we all yelled at the TV when Bill O’Reilly would spout some nonsense about Obama believing in traditional values. If you spent any time following O, you knew it was all a smokescreen - O does not think like a Christian American, and that is all there is to it. If you missed those red flags, then you never understood what he was lacking.

My mom and I always discussed how Bush, at heart, was a devout Christian, and unfortunately it set him at a disadvantage when set among the wolves of the media. To this day I don’t think Bush understood the hatred the media has for conservatives. I think he thought if his intentions were good, and he did good, and worked hard and honestly, eventually (as according to Christian philosophy) the “unbelievers” (as in those who did not share his politics, including the media) would be won over - and at least understand that he was a good intentioned man, and he was doing right and important things.

That was one of the ways I knew Bush was a truly goodhearted man. He had that attitude you see in such folks. They are always surprised by the termites. They are always a little astounded by those so committed to agendas that they have no trouble “taking out” good people simply because they are in the way, and in devious, evilhearted ways.

Bush just slogged along, doing his best, carrying out his mission of defending this country like the warrior president he was. But he never understood the snarky fifth column mentality that cut him off at the ankles. I think Laura is a little sharper at that. It must have hurt her terribly to see her good natured husband so savaged.

60 posted on 10/28/2012 5:27:19 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: libstripper

“it feels like 1980 when Ronald Reagan, our greatest president since George Washington, won. Be of good cheer.”


I miss RR! I turned 18 a month before he was first elected and he was the first president I ever voted for. :) Now I just turned 50. Time flies!

I feel good about this too. I think people want a grownup in the White House again; a man who will put on a suit and tie, refrain from putting his feet up on the Oval Office desk, skip partying and actually work (and possibly attend security briefings), not bow to the Saudi King, not humiliate dignitaries by making them leave through the back door near the trash, not return gifts such as Churchill’s bust, not embarrass the entire country by giving the Queen of England an iPod with his speeches on it and Prime Minister Brown some DVDs that don’t work in his country, making his first trip to the Muslim world instead of Canada or some other Western ally; the list goes on...

This is off of the top of my head; I hope my facts are correct—but I am SO glad I sent in my absentee ballot to Colorado last week. Express mail, baby! :)

61 posted on 10/28/2012 5:30:50 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (Pray for America. She is the world's last best hope for freedom.)
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To: proud American in Canada
*switching to sarcastic mode* And yet, I don’t believe it was for nothing. Didn’t he have some important party to attend in Vegas?

Vegas is the perfect place to meet with people you don't want to be seen with...

62 posted on 10/28/2012 8:09:12 AM PDT by GOPJ (
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To: sickoflibs
RE :”Rachel Maddow doesn’t understand ...” She seems very confident when she talks. Like she is always right.

Liberals feel if a person exhibits a superior attitude that it's the same as a cogent logical argument. It's why they roll their eyes and sigh in place of saying something intelligent.

Liberal elites also feel 'passion and feeling' can trump facts... Like the kid who thinks if he yells louder, he wins.

The country was wonderful for a long time because when people came here they came to get away from 'elites' like the nose in the air liberals. But when elites opened the doors to the dregs of the world they cemented their power. In all third world shitholes elites are held in place by the lower and criminal classes. It's always been the middle class that stops elites from taking over... always will be...

63 posted on 10/28/2012 8:42:51 AM PDT by GOPJ (
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To: Terry Mross
And he let them be murdered by people two Seals almost took out. A Special Ops group from any of the four services would have won the battle in about 2 minutes.

Each person in a special ops group knows Obama can trump honorable men - the men they count on to come to their aid if needed.

This was a power play by Obama on the level of Reagan with the air controllers' unions. The difference being that Obama is trying to destroy our best and bravest - the men who can save us if needed. Obama has shown they are powerless against him. Obama has used the honor of good men against them... Men who had to choose between saving the lives of comrades or disobeying a command from the CIC. Obama types know this is the way to break good men - and to drum them out of the service .

Obama must not win at this... None of the people outraged at Obama's actions should resign - all need to stay where they are... If Obama's reelected it's going to get worse - and good people need to be in positions of power.

64 posted on 10/28/2012 8:55:40 AM PDT by GOPJ (
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To: proud American in Canada

GOOD FOR YOU!!! I early voted, STRAIGHT REPUBLICAN, on the first day of early voting here in TN. If I ever vote for a DemonRat when there’s a pubbie I can vote for, may my arm turn to stone that very monent and may the good Lord strike me dead before I leave the polling place.

65 posted on 10/28/2012 9:11:31 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: SeekAndFind
Choosing a leader for this moment of our history goes to the very soul of America and it must call to question the personal character of that leader, as exhibited by his life.

Once elected, then, the leader must be held by "the People" to a set of principles consistent with the Constitution's limits on his/her power.

America needs a rediscovery of the ideas which made it a shining light for oppressed individuals and families from all over the world.

Hear one of the wise men of America's founding generation:

"He therefore is the truest friend to the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen into any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man. We must not conclude merely upon a man's haranguing upon liberty, and using the charming sound, that he is fit to be trusted with the liberties of his country. It is not unfrequent to hear men declaim loudly upon liberty, who, if we may judge by the whole tenor of their actions, mean nothing else by it but their own liberty, - to oppress without control or the restraint of laws all who are poorer or weaker than themselves. It is not, I say, unfrequent to see such instances, though at the same time I esteem it a justice due to my country to say that it is not without shining examples of the contrary kind; - examples of men of a distinguished attachment to this same liberty I have been describing; whom no hopes could draw, no terrors could drive, from steadily pursuing, in their sphere, the true interests of their country; whose fidelity has been tried in the nicest and tenderest manner, and has been ever firm and unshaken. The sum of all is, if we would most truly enjoy this gift of Heaven, let us become a virtuous people." - Samuel Adams - Loyalty and Sedition, essay in The Advertiser, 1748

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." Samuel Adams - Essay in the Public Advertiser, 1749

"The liberties of our Country, the freedom of our civil constitution are worth defending at all hazards: And it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have receiv'd them as a fair Inheritance from our worthy Ancestors: They purchas'd them for us with toil and danger and expence of treasure and blood; and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle; or be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men. Of the latter we are in most danger at present: Let us therefore be aware of it. Let us contemplate our forefathers and posterity; and resolve to maintain the rights bequeath'd to us from the former, for the sake of the latter. - Instead of sitting down satisfied with the efforts we have already made, which is the wish of our enemies, the necessity of the times, more than ever, calls for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude, and perseverance. Let us remember that 'if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom.' It is a very serious consideration, which should deeply impress our minds, that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers of the event." Samuel Adams - Essay in the Boston Gazette, October 14, 1771

"When designs are form'd to raze the very foundation of a free government, whose few who are to erect their grandeur and fortunes upon the general ruin, will employ every art to sooth the devoted people into a state of indolence, inattention and security, which is forever the fore-runner of slavery." Samuel Adams - Article signed "Candidus," in Boston Gazette, December 9, 1771

"He who is void of virtuous Attachments in private Life, is, or very soon will be void of all Regard for his Country. There is seldom an Instance of a Man guilty of betraying his Country, who had not before lost the Feeling of moral Obligations in his private Connections." - Letter to James Warren, November 4, 1775

"Since private and publick Vices, are in Reality, though not always apparently, so nearly connected, of how much Importance, how necessary is it, that the utmost Pains be taken by the Publick, to have the Principles of Virtue early inculcated on the Minds even of children, and the moral Sense kept alive, and that the wise institutions of our Ancestors for these great Purposes be encouraged by the Government. For no people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffusd and Virtue is preservd. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauchd in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders." Samuel Adams - Letter to James Warren, November 4, 1775

"Nothing is more essential to the establishment of manners in a State than that all persons employed in places of power and trust be men of unexceptionable characters. The public cannot be too curious concerning the character of public men." Samuel Adams - Letter to James Warren, November 4, 1775

66 posted on 10/28/2012 9:33:07 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: carlo3b

For many reasons, which I have written on other threads and won’t repeat here, Romney’s refusal to engage HIS time on Benghazi during the debate, was brilliant. It forced the Old Media to ask why why why, and advanced the Libya story themselves, without Romney getting dragged into the mud himself. The Dinosaur Media are left without any sound byte that they would STILL be twisting to use against him.

Moreover, and what I want to point out here, is that -bama was “loaded for bear” on that topic with something to lambast Romney. What it was, I don’t know and it doesn’t matter. What matters is that -bama and advisers were expecting and intending a slam dunk on that subject to lead off the debate, and they didn’t even get a chance. That really angered Obama, and threw him off his game the rest of the night, groping for a way to get that slam dunk.

I invite everyone to go watch it again. -bama was mad all debate and continually tried to draw Mitt into a battle that never came.

The conservative media has to advance this story themselves now, without Romney’s help. It is the best way.

67 posted on 10/28/2012 12:32:31 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: nathanbedford

Very interesting reply post... I must study when I get back here and have brain to do so...

68 posted on 10/28/2012 12:41:44 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: proud American in Canada

God Bless you!

What a great reply!

I would love to see Romney take a script that you write like that one for him, and air it next weekend as his closing arguments!

69 posted on 10/28/2012 12:45:10 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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It is not only military and military families who are disturbed by Americans at a consulate/embassy being left behind as no better than dead.

Many others who have traveled overseas into any areas that are a bit dicey (count Israel, China, Egypt, now Greece, etc.) are well aware that they need to keep in mind where they can go in case of sudden trouble.

They are not intending to flee there so they can be trapped in a barrel, and there, die.

70 posted on 10/28/2012 12:48:27 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: cherry

Here you go:

71 posted on 10/28/2012 12:56:46 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: AFPhys

Wait until you read this.. I wrote the same thing last night on another thread..

I am by nature, skeptical, although not pessimistic, so I remain sanguine..(eyes crossed) But, something is happening, something big.. I am seeing things that I can recall way back in 1980..

To test my thesis, we have to watch the media.. The usual suspects, meaning the reliable pros that have a real reputation to protect, not that it matters, because we know they are libs, they portray an unbiased persona.. They were the ones that showed the first signs of a break with Carter, earlier than the MSNBC type of blowhards..

These media types will try to save their a$$, and their network or publisher.. If I am right, they will start the ball, primarily because they have the real insider stuff..

Don’t laugh, but a sure sign that things are changing are the editorials from major Lib Newspapers in Major Lib cities.. But my first red flag was Letterman, calling his buddy, the Bamster a liar..

If you lose the late night comics that have protected you, this is a warning shot, they have big contracts and ratings to preserve..

Ha! great minds.. LOL

72 posted on 10/28/2012 4:54:21 PM PDT by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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