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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 28 October 2012
Various driveby media television networks ^ | 28 October 2012 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

Posted on 10/28/2012 5:15:50 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!

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To: Son House
Then you have Patraeus saying basically 'we did not NOT offer help because no one asked for help' to CYA himself and the CIA.

Woods and Doherty worked for a CIA group. They supposedly disobeyed orders to 'stand down' which would imply that they asked for permission to engage. So, who was giving the 'stand down' orders? How far up the chain did that go?

Woods or Doherty laser painted the attackers. That would assume that air assets were anticipated -- drones, planes, guided missiles. That data was immediately transmitted to HQ [where ever HQ was]. We know from reports that one done was filming and another drone came into the theater -- one of those drones was reported to be armed.

Panetta at Defense defended his rear by saying 'you don't send others into a zone where you don't know what is going on.' [Really, Mr. Secretary? Military have been doing that since the revolutionary war.]

Even more devastating, is this [FR source thread link]:

51 posted on 10/28/2012 6:32:37 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Alas Babylon!
They're ignoring Bengahzi....

You noticed. Hardly surprising. The MSM is, after all, the MSM.

52 posted on 10/28/2012 6:33:12 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: maggief

Yeah, just caught that. Warner started out positioning himself as someone in the know. Yet when faced with that question, he refrained from answering. Either he doesn’t know anything, or he knows that the drone was armed. Either way, that indicates a coverup. And the Administration doesn’t cover up good news. I would conclude that there is a high probability that said drone was armed.


53 posted on 10/28/2012 6:33:21 AM PDT by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: bray; All
This is the most America hating coward who has ever occupied the White House.
Here is the coldest man in America who no longer decides on whether or not you can
save an Ambassador and his protection on military or humanitarian grounds but on
political expedience..

America used to believe in Freedom and Liberty and now it is nothing more the Rulers
against the ruled. Ambassador Stevens was part of the ruling class however once he
became a political decision he was expedient and his fellow rulers watched him
get tortured, raped then killed by the savages without allowing help.


He believes he is a ruler in the mold of Stalin and Mao so all decisions have to go
through him. Communism requires ruling and dictating just as this event proves
as does every other decision since he knows everything.
thank you, for your very sobering essay...
hmmm...you can bet; if Ambassador Stevens was a Muslim,
attacked by Christians..(all hell would have broken loose)
..and the White Hut/ABCNNBCBS still; would've blamed Romney....

54 posted on 10/28/2012 6:35:27 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth. - RWR 8-)
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To: Diogenesis; All
My take is not far from yours.

My take is that Stevens knew too much and the decision,political of course, was made by those in the regime like axel, jarrett and moochhell.

Stevens had to go. He went all the way back to the bath house days with Rhambo and zero.Now he was a loose cannon with contacts all over the mid-east. He talked to them in Arabic.The regime never knew exactly what he was doing! He had to go.

First they got rid of his security left him with only locals denied all his security requests.

By the way when these security requests from Stevens were denied Hillary and Petraeus at CIA were slick enough to forward Stevens requests for more security to the regime and kept copies for their files absolving them if the shiitte hit the fan later. As it did.

Once Stevens' security was gone and he was left with local security they were quickly compromised. They told the terror types where Stevens was and the rest as they say is history.

Fall guys will be Hillary and Panetta. By the way is this retribution by Jarrett for their hit of obl without her knowledge? Could be.

55 posted on 10/28/2012 6:38:09 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Son House
Obama “Now with respect to Libya, as I indicated in the last debate, when we received that phone call, I immediately made sure that, number one, that we did everything we could to secure those Americans who were still in harm’s way;”

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Tyrone Woods killed by a motar shell from one of the very mortars which could have been destroyed had Obama actually tried to secure anyone?

56 posted on 10/28/2012 6:39:48 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Hoodat

Ditto.

Related:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-seeks-to-expand-drone-fleet-officials-say/2012/10/18/01149a8c-1949-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story.html

October 18, 2012

The CIA is urging the White House to approve a significant expansion of the agency’s fleet of armed drones, a move that would extend the spy service’s decade-long transformation into a paramilitary force, U.S. officials said.

(snip)

The CIA’s proposal would have to be evaluated by a group led by President Obama’s counter­terrorism adviser, John O. Brennan, officials said.


57 posted on 10/28/2012 6:40:33 AM PDT by maggief
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To: txrangerette
I wouldn’t be too quick on blending Petraeus in with O and H.

Just sayin’...

That all depends if you consider his statement on Sept. 14th accrediting the attack on the YouTube video as well; Just sayin' . . .

58 posted on 10/28/2012 6:40:48 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Son House
“Now with respect to Libya, as I indicated in the last debate, when we received that phone call, I immediately made sure that, number one, that we did everything we could to secure those Americans who were still in harm’s way;”

This Benghazi thing is the culmination of every bad thing I've thought about this president.

I've no doubt that Valerie Jarrett arranged the stupid video thing, along with Hillary and her pal Humidor.

Now we find out that as Americans begged for help it was denied them.

Oh, and did y'all hear about Biden?

The man whispered, at Dover AFB as one of those Seal/Contractor's body arrived "Has your son always had balls as big as cue balls?"

Forgive if I offend but that's what my boy Biden said.

Are these the Keystone Kops or what leading this country?

I don't doubt that Benghazi is the end of Obama's administration. Even if he wins the election, he will be impeached. As he should be. And once we get beyond Sandy and this looming election, the American people will finally understand the total of this Benghazi thing.

I use my daughter as benchmark. Yes she knew about Benghazi, not to any detail and believe that she and granddaughter know now.

She was on Facebook last night and begins to ooh and ahh. "Oh Mom, those people in Benghazi were begging for help and were turned down. This lady at my church just posted a link to the story. And those two Seals were heroes...."

Granddaughter pipes up and wants to know the story of the heroes. So I launch into a long rant about Benghazi at some point daughter tells me to calm down.

Folks, we've got big news stories, plus a somewhat simple attitude by the pubbies that...well maybe we oughta wait till the election.

But it just keeps getting worse and worse and I do know the whole story, been reading everything I get hands on.

This story is so bad, no way will they be able to get past it. Just my daughter's surprised and horrified reaction told me everything about how the American people will react once the news gets to them.

And it will. Don't doubt me. Thank me very much.

59 posted on 10/28/2012 6:44:53 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Kahuna

Thank you kahuna, it would be good to print it in the Obamedia. Apparently, they haven’t heard of Benghazi yet?

Pray for the Election


60 posted on 10/28/2012 6:48:09 AM PDT by bray (Islam- A billion medieval savages can't be wrong!)
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To: mazda77

Oh dear Lord.

If Petraeus repeated that silly video story he shall never utter another word that I shall believe.

Don’t doubt me.

Somebody justify that to me....yon Petraeus lovers.


61 posted on 10/28/2012 6:49:06 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: maggief
FOX: Udall won’t say if drones over Benghazi were armed.

Doesn't matter. They would never have been used.

Stevens' death was on purpose and planned months ago, Imho. Deny security, make sure the only protection he has be locals who are easily compromised. The locals tell the terror types where he is. Not very difficult to let nature take its course and the blame it all on everyone else. From Petraeus to Hillary to Panetta. When all the time the calls were made by zeros handlers.

Of course everything that happened for months could all be coincidence too!! Which do you believe?

62 posted on 10/28/2012 6:49:50 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: maica

THIS WEEK (ABC) George calls Goolsbee an Obama supporter, as if George has no bias...(keep in mind Economist like Goolsbee are Democrats, think Krugman, and the media(to sound un-bias) favorite quotes are from from Moody’s Analytics Chief Economist Mark Zandi, who helped Pelosi do the math to ruin the budget)


63 posted on 10/28/2012 6:51:11 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: Fishtalk; All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2950889/posts


64 posted on 10/28/2012 6:51:53 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: jneesy

Don’t ever forget its all up to us to get the truth out. So far MTP has gone 48 minutes without bringing up Benghazi!! This will be a huge coverup on behalf of the DBM for the dear leader.


65 posted on 10/28/2012 6:52:54 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: rodguy911

Just love these guys!! “We’re going to get to the bottom of this.” “We’re going to hold hearings.” Well not right away ya know, we don’t have to whole story yet but we will after the election /sarc. The whole bunch of em.....


66 posted on 10/28/2012 6:55:05 AM PDT by vortec94
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To: mazda77

RE: Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, the top Democrat on the House Intel committee, said Petraeus laid out “a chronological order exactly what we felt happened, how it happened, and where we’re going in the future.”

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I would not believe Dutch Ruppersberger if he told me it is raining! He is a Pelosi/Hoyer devotee and totally without scruples democrat.

I am not defending Petraeus, just saying ‘consider the source’ of this information about what Petraeus has supposedly said.


67 posted on 10/28/2012 6:57:03 AM PDT by maica
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To: Fishtalk

The man whispered, at Dover AFB as one of those Seal/Contractor’s body arrived “Has your son always had balls as big as cue balls?”....Whispered Nothing. Dad said he came over and boisterously (barroom style) and said it so everybody heard. I’d have punched him in the cue balls and sunk (the black) eight.


68 posted on 10/28/2012 6:58:08 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: maggief
"FOX: Warner won’t answer if drones were armed."

No good answer for Obie on this question. If not, then why not. If yes, then why weren't they used.

A month of this dribble seems to be affecting job approval ratings. Just in time.

Hurricane Sandy may be an answer to our prayers. She can only hurt early voters (which hurts Obie much more so than T-Partiers who will swim to the polls if necessary). Sandy also distracts administration from perpetual campaigning, and opens up potential for a costly mishandling (almost assured, given the general incompetence of this administration)

Ohio numbers trending our way.

IT'S LOOKIN' GOOOOOOOD ! Now let's pour it on and bury the bastards.

69 posted on 10/28/2012 6:58:22 AM PDT by chiller (First check the poll's Dem/Rep/Ind sampling numbers, then re-think.)
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To: Son House
Wow! Thanks for posting this--it confirms the fact (which 0 let slip yesterday) that urgent requests for help WERE heard by the CIC in REAL TIME!. So, since you cannot say you didn't deny a request and at the same time deny that you received it, he is right in saying he did NOT deny the requests for help.

HE IGNORED THEM!

This dereliction of duty on the part of the CIC may not be prosecutable, but--as Charles Woods, the father of the SEAL who disobeyed the order to "stand down" said last night-- it is still MURDER!

70 posted on 10/28/2012 6:58:36 AM PDT by milagro (There is no peace in appeasement.)
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To: TomGuy; All
Woods and Doherty denied,disobeyed, their orders to stand down three times!!

These guys are true American heroes.They deserve the highest civilian and military honors available and if they don't get them we need to be marching in dc.!! One of them was referenced to have said during his last moments,I always thought they would have come. Words that should go down in history!

71 posted on 10/28/2012 6:59:51 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: rodguy911; All

It was planned alright in my opinion, but the plan went bad when some CIA guys living up to their oath as SEALS spoiled the kidnapping soup.

Don’t y’all remember that right before this attack, that the major scandal story starting to brew was the reports from inside State that they were working on a way to release the Blind Sheik to the very group that claimed responsibility for this attack?

The fact that the story breaking may have led some to want to delay the deal until the story was buried but Ansar al-Sharia was having none of it. Hence the Turkish envoy holding a somewhat covert meeting with the Ambassador on 911 in an unprotected location. That meeting could not have been held at the Embassy in Tripoli just because of its nefarious nature.


72 posted on 10/28/2012 7:00:10 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: TomGuy

The urgent request from the CIA operators to go help were “when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m.”

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/#ixzz2AVbdH1VP

an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later on the annex itself was denied by the CIA chain of command — who also told the CIA operators twice to “stand down” rather than help the ambassador’s team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.


73 posted on 10/28/2012 7:00:14 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: sissyjane

Enjoy your cruise, FreeRepublic will be crashed all day.

Pray for the Election


74 posted on 10/28/2012 7:00:50 AM PDT by bray (Islam- A billion medieval savages can't be wrong!)
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To: Alas Babylon!
Rather than letting the people on the ground decide how to fight this battle who had the best knowledge of what was happening rather we had the politicians discussing what this battle meant politically and how it would affect his election chances.

This is one instance where the buck really does stop at the WH. Only the President can order US forces to initiate a military action in another country. It can't be left up to the military or SECSTATE or SECDEF. They can make recommendations, but only the President has the authority to make the decision.

Obama clearly made the decision, but he is not owning up to it. No doubt political considerations seem to have been the major factor. He deemed his own political career to be more important than the American lives under his command. Obama is the lowest of the low.

75 posted on 10/28/2012 7:02:28 AM PDT by kabar
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To: txrangerette

Sorry....friend, I have to disagree with you. General Petraeous needs to resign immediately as the head of the CIA, and.....then he must go public on all media vehicles throwing that dirt bag, POTUS Obama under the bus. Anything less and Petraeous will be known as the Benedict Arnold of 2012!!! End of story!!! Let us all see and witness what kind of American patriot General Petraeous is!!!!


76 posted on 10/28/2012 7:02:38 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: rodguy911

“Doesn’t matter. They would never have been used.”

IMO, it does matter because Obama made the call.

I agree that it was planned, but said one of those multifaceted plans went haywire. The likely armed drones were flying over Benghazi for a reason.


77 posted on 10/28/2012 7:02:55 AM PDT by maggief
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To: All

Am without TV today. Am I correct that only Fox is covering Libya? If so, any lingering doubt about the lamestream media being derelict is over.


78 posted on 10/28/2012 7:02:55 AM PDT by animal172 (Go Paul Ryan. Chew 'em up and spit 'em out.)
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To: chiller

Sandy also distracts administration from perpetual campaigning...I work midnights and heard on the radio that 0bummer cut short one of his campaign visits, golf outings, visits to the bath house, whatever, because he had to be in DC to command the coming disaster. I thought “ A nothing rainstorm, but a full fledged attack on American citizens he can’t handle?”


79 posted on 10/28/2012 7:04:50 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: bray; All

Oh, yeah... where are you all hanging out on election day since FR will be crashed? Is there an alternate?


80 posted on 10/28/2012 7:06:44 AM PDT by sissyjane (Obama lied, our HEROES died!)
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To: PaleoBob

It is disheartening..but I sure agree with you.


81 posted on 10/28/2012 7:07:00 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: mazda77; All

Every needs to know the topic of your link, as some are busy and may not get the chance to do a lot of reading.

September 14, CIA Chief Petraeus Tells Congress Benghazi Attack Started As Movie Protest
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2950889/posts


82 posted on 10/28/2012 7:07:04 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: vortec94

You got it right. The media is already in the tank for them. MTP just did an entire show without mentioning Benghazi!! talk about a huge coverup!! The regime desperately wants to wait out this huge hit. Question is will we let them get away with it or not?


83 posted on 10/28/2012 7:08:09 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

I’m starting to think they all could have been saved if that 9:40pm initial call had been reacted upon.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/10/198791.htm

SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL:“...the very beginning of this incident, has been on the phone. He had called the quick reaction security team, he had called the Libyan authorities, he had called the Embassy in Tripoli, and he had called Washington.”


84 posted on 10/28/2012 7:10:22 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: Safetgiver

What kind of idiot says that to a grieving father. The guy has dementia or something. Course his boss has balls like BBs.

Pray for America


85 posted on 10/28/2012 7:11:14 AM PDT by bray (Islam- A billion medieval savages can't be wrong!)
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To: rodguy911
...and thereby snuffing the gun-running principals, and evidence. How can CNN find evidence (Steven's logs) within hours, but the FBI's investigative team can't get there for a week ?

It all fits into an appalling scenario with impeachable offenses for Obie....imho.

86 posted on 10/28/2012 7:11:36 AM PDT by chiller (First check the poll's Dem/Rep/Ind sampling numbers, then re-think.)
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To: Son House

Yep, there is your Benedict Arnold comparison. Now all he is trying to do is to CYA as the real story is getting out. Sorry David, you hitched your horse to the wrong wagon. Sucks to be you right now, unless you come out and tell the whole story right before you rsign and then take your lumps.


87 posted on 10/28/2012 7:12:00 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: animal172

When Romney wins, the MSM will go down with Obama. The Democrat Party will take years to get back into the game.
The Democrat Party will not have much leadership, as they sit back and blame each other for the destructive Obama 4 years.


88 posted on 10/28/2012 7:12:29 AM PDT by FreedBird
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To: Fishtalk

Yes, our Freedom of Speech is being placed secondary to appeasing the middle east, you’d think the media would have an interest in the outcome.


89 posted on 10/28/2012 7:12:32 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: animal172

The media?

Sorry, but they ain’t “derelict”.

They’re COMPLICIT.

And the charges are Treason and Murder.


90 posted on 10/28/2012 7:12:38 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet
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To: txrangerette
I wouldn’t be too quick on blending Petraeus in with O and H.

Just sayin’...

I'm in the middle of re-reading "Armageddon" by Leon Uris, and I just saw "Advise and Consent" on TCM, so your comment about David Petraeus really hits home with me right now.

Tough call; maybe leaking secrets without taking credit is the most effective way to undermine Obama and HClinton, especially if you have a job like running the CIA, but this is America and at some point people need to be accountable for their actions. Leaking anonymous tips is too much like leading from behind or watching Americans die on a live Internet feed and not doing anything about it because of political considerations.

At some point the people with the big paychecks and fancy offices need to be accountable. Waiting for God's ruling on Judgment Day will not protect the next ambassador or this country.

91 posted on 10/28/2012 7:13:30 AM PDT by Bernard ('He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else' - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: rodguy911

Yes, Mr. Panetta, does the Fire Department wait and see how big the fire gets before they react?


92 posted on 10/28/2012 7:13:50 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: mazda77
Good catch,and that was always in play.

The game was for the terror types to take Stevens alive and trade him for the blind sheik. Some say he was taken alive, tortured,dragged through the street, sodomized and then dumped at the hospital.I think all that happened "after" he was dead.Just makes sense.If he was still alive he would have been a hostage.

I think he died of smoke inhalation as the autopsy revealed on purpose. I don't think he wanted to be a hostage for the blind sheik and he purposely let himself die of smoke inhalation. We will never know.Either way we lost some really brave,patriotic, ready to die for their country, Americans that fateful night.

As for the blind sheik he may still be traded, You can't trust this regime to do anything right. Only whatever is the most politically expedient.

93 posted on 10/28/2012 7:15:50 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: sissyjane

Likely we will be chasing ballots all day and may go to an election party since we are working on about 10 campaigns. Oregon is in play and we have a new GOTV plan we hope will turn the tide.

So far our turnout is matching the Dems which is unusual this early. There is an energy here nobody has seen before.

Benghazi has hit a nerve.


94 posted on 10/28/2012 7:17:22 AM PDT by bray (Islam- A billion medieval savages can't be wrong!)
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To: rodguy911

I think he died of smoke inhalation as the autopsy revealed on purpose.

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What autopsy? Where was it done?


95 posted on 10/28/2012 7:19:21 AM PDT by maica
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To: Son House

After all that when the regime tried to bus the CIA over Petraeus issued a statement saying that CIA never denied any help to anyone in Benghazi.They forwarded all requests to the proper channels. They never said who denied their requests but its rather obvious. So it came from the potus and he is just a marionette on a string.


96 posted on 10/28/2012 7:19:57 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: InterceptPoint

Horse face shut down Carly Fiorino in mid sentence when she brought up Libya, and he told us he’d get back to Libya later. Of course he didn’t.


97 posted on 10/28/2012 7:21:14 AM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: bray

The only energy in the Obama campaign is present in some big cities. The suburbs and rural areas are voting for Romney. Millions and millions of people are upset about Obama and blame the MSM. People cannot wait to vote for Romney and also vote against Obama. They fear the country will go down the drain and never be fixed under Obama.


98 posted on 10/28/2012 7:22:06 AM PDT by FreedBird
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To: kabar

Do you think that obam made the call or was played by those who really make all the calls,Axelrod,Jarrett and Michelle?
I realize that its the potus that is tasked with making the decisions. But, do you think he actually makes decisions in this administration or lets other do his job while he campaigns?


99 posted on 10/28/2012 7:22:56 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: FreedBird

I am hearing that Romney is going to get a much larger share of the Jewish vote than usual.


100 posted on 10/28/2012 7:24:22 AM PDT by maica
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