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Commentary: Dukakis recalls negative ads that blocked him from White House
Kansas City Star ^ | October 28, 2012 | by Ben Barber

Posted on 10/28/2012 6:47:37 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

As millions of dollars pour into negative TV ads in the final days of the 2012 presidential campaign, former Democratic presidential candidate Michael Dukakis recalled how his hopes for the White House in 1988 were destroyed by negative ads linking him to rapist and murderer Willie Horton.

“It all started first with me,” said Dukakis, now 79 but still working full time. "If I had beaten the old man, we never would have heard of the kid [George W. Bush], and we wouldn't be in this mess.

(Excerpt) Read more at kansascity.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: election2012; failure; forgottenbutnotgone; ithoughthedied; swarthymidget
Al Gore first used Willie Horton in the primary, and Michael Dukakis is a leftwing baffoonish failure.
1 posted on 10/28/2012 6:47:48 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Newsflash to Gore and Dukakis:

It ain’t those (negative) ads.

/just saying


2 posted on 10/28/2012 6:49:02 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Liberals are all alike and never change. However much they fail, it is always someone else's fault.
3 posted on 10/28/2012 6:50:32 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Telling the truth about someone and his record was letting the nation see the real Michael Dukakis.

Maybe he doesn’t agree but that’s what the country thought at the time - it didn’t want him and his liberal policies.


4 posted on 10/28/2012 6:52:18 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved FrieGrnd Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

http://youtu.be/BRPZQ3UEN_Q


5 posted on 10/28/2012 6:53:53 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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Michael Dukakis: a legend in his own tank.

6 posted on 10/28/2012 6:54:32 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

>>If I had beaten the old man, we never would have heard of the kid [George W. Bush], and we wouldn’t be in this mess.<<

And if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.


7 posted on 10/28/2012 6:54:57 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
exactly. And his response to Bernard Shaw's first Question.

By '92 Dems like Bob Menendez were calling themselves progressives. Dukakis- Card carrying Liberal indeed.

8 posted on 10/28/2012 6:57:29 AM PDT by SMGFan (SMGfan is not "Sub Machine Gun" fan)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Another thing with this train of thoughts is that implied untruth told in negative ads.

Maybe, maybe some of the negative ads were lies or exagerated telling.

But liberals (or any loser for that matter) always thought voters based their judgements and choices solely on ads.

"Hey, don't look at me, my past quotes, or my records; Look at how bad the other guy is."

9 posted on 10/28/2012 6:58:05 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Yeah, the ad. That was it....
10 posted on 10/28/2012 6:58:26 AM PDT by Right Angler
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; All
“It all started first with me,” said Dukakis.

Wrong, as usual.

Famous "Daisy" Attack Ad from 1964 Presidential Election

12 posted on 10/28/2012 6:59:41 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: hinckley buzzard

In ‘92 I met Menendez running for Congress in Bayonne , he said he was progressive not a liberal. Dukakis killed term “liberal”. “Liberal” got much play on All in the Family


13 posted on 10/28/2012 7:00:07 AM PDT by SMGFan (SMGfan is not "Sub Machine Gun" fan)
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To: Right Angler

Got the colors backward. Red is Commie.


14 posted on 10/28/2012 7:00:27 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Timber Rattler

In 1964 they told me that if I voted for Goldwater, we’d have riots in the cities and half a million troops in Vietnam. They were right, I voted for Goldwater and we had riots in the cities and half a million troops in Vietnam.


15 posted on 10/28/2012 7:07:00 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Obama: Brought to you by the letter "O" and the number 16 trillion.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

That was another slight of hand by the media. They used to use blue for whichever party won. Then they decided that red was bad ( communist association ) so they made it the permenate republican color. Never made sense to me. Everyone knows the dems are a bunch of commies.


16 posted on 10/28/2012 7:07:20 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Michael Dukakis is a leftwing baffoonish failure.

It's "buffoonish," you moran.

17 posted on 10/28/2012 7:07:56 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
RE: Gore first used Willie Horton ads in the primaries. . . .

That's right and I corrected another error.

ABOUT THE WRITER

Ben Barber has written about the developing world since 1980 for Newsday, the London Observer, the Christian Science Monitor, Salon.com, Foreign Affairs, the Washington Times and USA TODAY. From 2003 to August, 2010, he was senior writer at the U.S. foreign aid agency. is a skid mark on Journalism's shorts.

.. worse of all Michael Dukakis, et al. really believe that it is not their fault, they have no deficiencies at all. None! They were cheated.

Dangerous people those Marxist-Alinsky radicals -- especially the younger ones

and the ideological issue of the 1960s nutcases.

18 posted on 10/28/2012 7:09:07 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

The media “newspeak” began with the 2000 election night. The GOP stupidly refused to rebuke it. No Conservative party anywhere on the planet has “red” for its color. “Red” has always been the hallmark of the left. Fortunately, Dave Leip keeps the colors “correct” on his website...

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/


19 posted on 10/28/2012 7:11:31 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Read this:
“If I had beaten the old man, we never would have heard of the kid [George W. Bush], and we wouldn’t be in this mess.

That’s why you lost dipstick, Bacause you are an IDIOT.
(and a lousy tank driver LMAO)


20 posted on 10/28/2012 7:14:52 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The timing and content of this article are themselves a negative campaign ad.

But M. Stanley here is too dim to realize it.


21 posted on 10/28/2012 7:15:32 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

NOBODY TOLD HIM HE LOOKED LIKE A JERK?

Dukocky cooked his own goose in that tank——btw, that was his idea to get in the tank wearing that ridiculous helmet.

Also, his whining wife got on people’s nerves——voters figured they couldn’t take four years of her whining.


22 posted on 10/28/2012 7:19:49 AM PDT by Liz ("Come quickly, I'm tasting the stars," Dom Perignon)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

ducaca... IF you had been a real man instead of the mangina that you are... you might have won... but you are spineless liberal with evil at his core. FUducaca!

LLS


23 posted on 10/28/2012 7:24:55 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (OUR GOVERNMENT AND PRESS ARE NO LONGER TRUSTWORTHY OR DESERVING OF RESPECT!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
About that picture, according to Dukakis himself, he didn't want to wear the helmet, cause he thought it made him look dorky. But the aides and military protocol (no helmet, no riding in the tank) insisted he wear the helmet.

Another newsflash to Dukakis, with or without the helmet, the tank riding picture still made him look dorky.

24 posted on 10/28/2012 7:26:24 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If you want to piss off a conservative, tell a lie. If you want to piss off a liberal, tell the truth.


25 posted on 10/28/2012 7:30:43 AM PDT by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER; Oldeconomybuyer
d@nggit! ...I was lookin' fer that one.. *grinning*
OEB..to tanker Dukakis: "Oh!..you mean that Al Gore
production, Willie Horton Ad?"
..*nevermind*

said, ABCNNBCBS

26 posted on 10/28/2012 7:41:45 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth. - RWR 8-)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
I don't think you're right about that. I believe TV networks alternated between the two colors, and there was often no consistency between the networks for a long time.

That all changed in 2000 when the electoral map wasn't finalized until weeks after Election Day, and viewers simply got used to the whole "red" and "blue" scheme as it stood then.

27 posted on 10/28/2012 8:14:38 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I saw the news report with Dukakis sticking his head out of the tank with a big smile on his face.

I thought how stupid he looked with a smile like a possum eating s—t.


28 posted on 10/28/2012 8:16:30 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Venturer

Twenty four years later, Dukakis has learned nothing & forgotten nothing. Just like the late unlamented McGovern.

For liberals, it’s always somebody else’s fault.


29 posted on 10/28/2012 8:17:29 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("Free speech is more important than Islam.")
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To: Liz
Also, his whining wife got on people’s nerves——voters figured they couldn’t take four years of her whining.

I also seem to recall that his wife, Kitty Dukakis, had a bit of a drinking problem. That was the basis of a rather distasteful (but funny as hell) joke going around at the time:

Q: What do you call hundreds of empty beer cans and liquor bottles strewn all over highways in Massachusetts?
A: Kitty litter.

30 posted on 10/28/2012 8:17:35 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Sorry, Dukakis, but it wasn’t the “video” in your case either. Wilie Horton was TOTALLY on point but that wasn’t your only problem. Waffling on the rape question did to you what Obama’s first debate performance has hopefully done to him. Not to mention your tank photo (ref. Kerry and the bunny suit).


31 posted on 10/28/2012 8:51:10 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Why not eliminate the middle man and have whoever feeds Obama his lines debate Romney directly?")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Haven't we heard this song before ?????


32 posted on 10/28/2012 9:03:56 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few, and let another take his office.")
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To: Alberta's Child

I don’t think you’re right about that. I believe TV networks alternated between the two colors, and there was often no consistency between the networks for a long time.


ISTR the colors were incumbent/challanger red/blue.

I could be, and often am, wrong.


33 posted on 10/28/2012 12:20:01 PM PDT by Peet (Everything has an end -- only the sausage has two.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"If I had beaten the old man, we never would have heard of the kid [George W. Bush], and we wouldn't be in this mess."

Bitter much?

34 posted on 10/28/2012 12:26:41 PM PDT by x
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To: Alberta's Child; Lurkina.n.Learnin
I don't think you're right about that. I believe TV networks alternated between the two colors, and there was often no consistency between the networks for a long time.

Prior to 2000, it was blue for the incumbent party, red for the challenging party.

It was really "alternating", but it did vary with the party in control of the presidency.

35 posted on 10/28/2012 12:45:42 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: okie01

That sounds about right. I do know it was a conscious effort to change the norm on the MSMs part.


36 posted on 10/28/2012 1:26:37 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: Alberta's Child

Heh-—good one.


37 posted on 10/28/2012 1:50:57 PM PDT by Liz ("Come quickly, I'm tasting the stars," Dom Perignon)
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To: Alberta's Child

SNL did a hilarious Dukakis debate satire which is sometimes rerun even today. Dukakis is seen behind the rostrum ready to debate-—as he slowly rises as if on an elevator to reach the mic-—(he’s real short). LOL.


38 posted on 10/28/2012 1:57:12 PM PDT by Liz ("Come quickly, I'm tasting the stars," Dom Perignon)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Letting murderers out on a pass when they’re not even eligible for parole is a bad idea, no matter what color they are. That’s what killed your campaign, Mike, not racism.


39 posted on 10/28/2012 2:59:06 PM PDT by RichInOC (Romney/Ryan 2012: Some Men Just Want To Watch The World Burn. For Everybody Else, There's Us.)
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