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Benghazi attack: Urgent call for military help ‘was denied by chain of command’
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 10/27/12 | Brad Knickerbocker

Posted on 10/28/2012 7:24:43 AM PDT by BlatherNaut

Fox News and others report that military help was available during the terrorist attack on the US consulate in Benghazi, Libya, but denied. CIA and Pentagon officials strongly deny the claim.

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Writing last week in the conservative National Review online, former Marine Corps officer and Reagan administration senior Pentagon official Francis “Bing” West outlined much the same scenario as Fox News, including a timeline of events in Benghazi.

“Fighter jets could have been at Benghazi in an hour; the commandos inside three hours,” Mr. West wrote. “If the attackers were a mob, as intelligence reported, then an F-18 [Navy fighter jet] in afterburner, roaring like a lion, would unnerve them. This procedure was applied often in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Conversely, if the attackers were terrorists, then the U.S. commandos would eliminate them. But no forces were dispatched from Sigonella.”

http://news.yahoo.com/benghazi-attack-urgent-call-military-help-denied-chain-145655960.html

1 posted on 10/28/2012 7:24:46 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

to anybody that has ever been in the military, this is depraved. you never abandon a buddy


2 posted on 10/28/2012 7:26:27 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: BlatherNaut

you may die trying, but there are fates worse than death.


3 posted on 10/28/2012 7:27:20 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: BlatherNaut

The BUCK stopped in the oval office! The action was nothing less than TREASON in helping our nations enemies. Nothing less than TREASON!


4 posted on 10/28/2012 7:28:51 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: BlatherNaut

Barry is trying to run out the clock before the election.

This story is a BIG deal.


5 posted on 10/28/2012 7:29:28 AM PDT by Feline_AIDS (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: BlatherNaut

6 posted on 10/28/2012 7:29:59 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: yldstrk

Thomas Sowell: Benghazi and a climate of Libyan lies

2012-10-25

It was a little much when President Barack Obama said that he was “offended” by the suggestion that his administration would try to deceive the public about what happened in Benghazi. What has this man not deceived the public about?

Remember his pledge to cut the deficit in half in his first term in office? This was followed by the first trillion dollar deficit ever, under any president of the United States — followed by trillion dollar deficits in every year of the Obama administration.

Remember his pledge to have a “transparent” government that would post its legislative proposals on the Internet several days before Congress was to vote on them, so that everybody would know what was happening?

This was followed by an ObamaCare bill so huge and passed so fast that even members of Congress did not have time to read it.

Remember his claims that previous administrations had arrogantly interfered in the internal affairs of other nations — and then his demands that Israel stop building settlements and give away land outside its 1967 borders, as a precondition to peace talks with the Palestinians, on whom there were no preconditions?

As for what happened in Libya, the Obama administration says that there is an “investigation” under way. An “on-going investigation” sounds so much better than “stonewalling” to get past election day. But you can bet the rent money that this “investigation” will not be completed before election day. And whatever the investigation says after the election will be irrelevant.

The events unfolding in Benghazi on the tragic night of September 11th were being relayed to the State Department as the attacks were going on, “in real time,” as they say.

So the idea that the Obama administration now has to carry out a time-consuming “investigation” to find out what those events were, when the information was immediately available at the time, is a little much.

The full story of what happened in Libya, down to the last detail, may never be known. But, as someone once said, you don’t need to eat a whole egg to know that it is rotten.

http://www.appeal-democrat.com/common/printer/view.php?db=marysville&id=120530


7 posted on 10/28/2012 7:32:41 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Travis McGee

Good graphic.


8 posted on 10/28/2012 7:33:31 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: KeyLargo

obama is a tiny little excuse for a man


9 posted on 10/28/2012 7:35:40 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: BlatherNaut

I suspect Obamugabe the America-hating clown currently occupying the Oval Office will try to force some general or colonel to be the fall guy.


10 posted on 10/28/2012 7:36:10 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Travis McGee

Do you mind if I tweet that graphic? It deserves very widespread distribution.


11 posted on 10/28/2012 7:40:50 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl (Storm the heavens with your prayers for Mitt Romney tonight.)
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To: Feline_AIDS

Bigger than Watergate: Proof that the President is Lying about Benghazi?

The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours — enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

Everyone is reporting this but they are missing a key point. From the retired Delta operator:

Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the report jumped out at me.

One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not “paint” a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the AC130 was on station.

Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander based on information directly from the target area.

If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.

If that SEAL was actively “painting” a target; something was on station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to POTUS!

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2012/10/bigger-than-watergate-proof-that-the-president-is-lying-about-benghazi.html


12 posted on 10/28/2012 7:43:23 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: BlatherNaut

The Regime’s parsing will not remove their guilt. Those REPEATED commands for readily available military assets to STAND DOWN were REPEATED DENIALS!


13 posted on 10/28/2012 7:45:04 AM PDT by Tucker39
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To: BlatherNaut

Obama should have already made a thorough investigation and reported the findings to the American people. Now he has to deal with a blowup of uncertainty not just in public opinion but also with uncertainty in the military chain of command and ranks. For example:

Is an American General losing his job for trying to save the Americans besieged in Benghazi?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2012/oct/28/general-losing-his-job-over-benghazi/


14 posted on 10/28/2012 7:45:18 AM PDT by Carismar
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To: BlatherNaut

There is definitely something huge being covered up by hussein and his cohorts in crime. Why are generals and admirals being relieved? Why was help denied in the Weeks and days leading up to the attack? Why was no action taken during the attack? Why did it take weeks to do anything? This goes way beyond simple incompetence, this is in the realm of intentionally hanging our people out ... This is the kind of thing that topples administrations...


15 posted on 10/28/2012 7:47:02 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: JustaCowgirl

Of course, anywhere and everywhere, no attribution ever, just spread them around.

A lot of voters are not readers, but are “visual learners” who will never study long wonkish articles, but who will see strong “message” images on Facebook etc.


16 posted on 10/28/2012 7:48:30 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
A lot of voters are not readers, but are “visual learners” who will never study long wonkish articles, but who will see strong “message” images on Facebook etc.

You are completely right. A graphic like that often has a lot more impact than any article or statement. We need to get this graphic going viral on twitter and Facebook, it says it all.

17 posted on 10/28/2012 7:55:41 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl (Storm the heavens with your prayers for Mitt Romney tonight.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

That’s one Obama cannot do, order and get away with, order a subordinate (a general no less) to take the fall for your decision.

It’s already unraveling thus the “Military-chain”, Pentagon speak for “yes we may have given that order, under the order from above”.


18 posted on 10/28/2012 8:00:17 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: BlatherNaut

Rahm Emmanuel is on Face the Nation and won’t let Schieffer get a word in edgewise. He has a prepared speech defending Obama’s foreign policy and the Benghazi mess. Refers to Obama as “strong defender of Israel.” Everything that came out of his mouth was meaningless and indefensible, not that anyone followed up asking for explanation. Emmanual wouldn’t allow it.


19 posted on 10/28/2012 8:01:31 AM PDT by PLK
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To: Travis McGee

I just tweeted it to Michelle Malkin, Paul Azinger and David Feherty (latter two are golf celebrities and conservatives with lots of followers). We’ll see if it gets retweeted.


20 posted on 10/28/2012 8:01:41 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl (Storm the heavens with your prayers for Mitt Romney tonight.)
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To: BlatherNaut

I wonder if Obama and Valerie Jarrett are at the bottom of this? Will we ever find out? Maybe, but probably not till after the election would be my guess.


21 posted on 10/28/2012 8:07:02 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: KeyLargo

Not true. Depending on the equipment, you can use a laser to determine range, which is then used to calculate coordinates. I doubt there was a gunship on station, because I doubt the crew would obey an order to refuse support.


22 posted on 10/28/2012 8:07:06 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


23 posted on 10/28/2012 8:10:37 AM PDT by Nachum (The List was hacked- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: BlatherNaut

White House - Wasn’t us!
State Department - Wasn’t us!
Defense Department - Wasn’t us!
CIA - Wasn’t us!

Me -Then what do we need you for?


24 posted on 10/28/2012 8:12:57 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Travis McGee
On target!

I'd be even more blunt: “When Obama called the SEALS, bin Laden died. When the SEALs called Obama, THEY DIED.”

Obama - Coward-In-Chief!

Obama - When the 3 a.m. call comes in, he won't answer!

Obama - Doesn't have a backbone, doesn't have your back...turning his back on America his entire life. Only uses his back to bow to every Moslem dictator he can find!

25 posted on 10/28/2012 8:20:12 AM PDT by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: Unam Sanctam

THe evidence is mounting to the sky that Obama refused to help US forces under fire when it was in his authority to do so. That, in my book, amounts to nothing less than TREASON, or at the VERY least dereliction of duty.

Is there anything...ANYTHING...we can do to make sure he comes to some form of justice??? Simply not re-electing him isn’t enough! I don’t want him spending his days retired on some compound in Hawaii. I want him in a prison cell, turning old and grey, knowing he will never see daylight as a free man.

IS THERE ANYONE THAT CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN?????


26 posted on 10/28/2012 8:20:55 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: Unam Sanctam
POTUS Valerie Jarrett

Zero is "Chance the Gardener" AKA TOTUS


27 posted on 10/28/2012 8:50:13 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: PLK

The tactic is called “jamming”. Memorizing a monologue and blasting it forth, talking over and through your opponent, allowing no rebuttal and no chance of differing words to get through.

Liberal blacks (but I repeat myself) have mastered the technique and do it on every talking head show I’ve ever seen them on.


28 posted on 10/28/2012 8:57:31 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Travis McGee
"Obama called the SEALs and THEY got bin Laden."

More likely after being denied three times before by Valerie Jarrett's sock puppet, they merely informed Obama when they were already in flight over Pakistan and put him in position where he had to call off a mission already in process.

29 posted on 10/28/2012 8:58:43 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Big Bird is a brood parasite: laid in our nest 43 years ago and we are still feeding him.)
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To: BlatherNaut
What happened is very simple. Military assistance was denied by the President. If assistance was denied lower down in the chain of command, the president would have already fired and thrown that individual under the bus. Not one person has been fired but several attempts to throw the CIA, the military and the State Department (i.e. Hillary) have been attempted. CIA, State, and Military have declined to get under the bus.

Now when asked Obama says, “We are going to find out what happened.” He knows what happened!!!!!!!!!!!

30 posted on 10/28/2012 9:08:12 AM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: KeyLargo

I want to change my opinion. I’ve been thinking about it, and the totality of the information coming in leads to the conclusion that at least one drone was armed (since the democrats refuse to say they were not), and that Gen Ham gave the order to proceed and was fired as a result - you don’t replace a 4 star part way thru his tour without something significant happening. While lazing doesn’t require the presence of a weapon system, the request for a specific response certainly suggests a gunship was available, or close enough to be made available. I’d guess the latter.


31 posted on 10/28/2012 9:11:28 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: cpdiii

People have been fired, e.g., General Ham, but apparently it is for wanting to disobey orders to stand down and instead try to get the people out.


32 posted on 10/28/2012 9:22:22 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: cpdiii

People have been fired, e.g., General Ham, but apparently it is for wanting to disobey orders to stand down and instead try to get the people out.


33 posted on 10/28/2012 9:22:32 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: BlatherNaut; Travis McGee; LucyT; sickoflibs; Liz
Obama made a call he felt solidified his power...

The questions: What did Obama gain from the murder, rape and humiliation of special ops team members at the hands of radical Muslims?

What did radical Muslims learn from the Benghazi experience?

What did American commanders learn from Benghazi?

34 posted on 10/28/2012 9:29:04 AM PDT by GOPJ ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbOuxqK2T34)
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To: BlatherNaut
CIA and Pentagon officials strongly deny the claim.

Oh that is not what they said in the least!

What the CIA actually said is that nobody in the CIA or DOD denied the request, huge difference! They are telling the press exactly where that order came from and the news knows it.

35 posted on 10/28/2012 9:32:36 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: GOPJ
What did radical Muslims learn from the Benghazi experience?

It has now been clearly demonstrated that the Obama administration will "stand down" and watch while our people are attacked and murdered by Muslim terrorists.

Obama's pusillanimous response to the Benghazi attack has telegraphed a message of weakness that will encourage further terrorist attacks on American personnel and assets.

36 posted on 10/28/2012 9:50:22 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: KeyLargo; BlatherNaut; yldstrk; Don Corleone; Feline_AIDS; Travis McGee; bigheadfred; ...
Taken from an interview posted on ABC News website here President Obama Begs Off Answering Whether Americans in Benghazi Were Denied Requests for Help This past Friday. A local Denver journalist, Mr.Clark, pressed again.

“Were they denied requests for help during the attack?” he asked... .

[snip]

“Well, we are finding out exactly what happened,” the president again said. “I can tell you, as I’ve said over the last couple of months since this happened, the minute I found out what was happening, I gave three very clear directives. Number one, make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to. Number two, we’re going to investigate exactly what happened so that it doesn’t happen again. Number three, find out who did this so we can bring them to justice. And I guarantee you that everyone in the state department, our military, the CIA, you name it, had number one priority making sure that people were safe. These were our folks and we’re going to find out exactly what happened, but what we’re also going to do it make sure that we are identifying those who carried out these terrible attacks.”
First of all this is the first time I have heard Zippo saying this. Second, everything he says after the first directive is in past tense. He is cornered and has no telepromter. I believe he was AWAL after the 6PM email that stated that the attack had stopped and the consulate cleared.

I say this for two reasons. At 10:00PM Hillary released a press statement that reads;

I condemn in the strongest terms the attack on our mission in Benghazi today. As we work to secure our personnel and facilities, we have confirmed that one of our State Department officers was killed. We are heartbroken by this terrible loss. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family and those who have suffered in this attack.

This evening, I called Libyan President Magariaf to coordinate additional support to protect Americans in Libya. President Magariaf expressed his condemnation and condolences and pledged his government’s full cooperation.

Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind.

In light of the events of today, the United States government is working with partner countries around the world to protect our personnel, our missions, and American citizens worldwide.

In her statement she mentions speaking with President Magariaf no doubt asking him for military support because POTUS was AWAL and she could not order Military action. It is being reported today on Fox that the request for help at the annex was denied because the station chief was waiting for Lybian help that of course never came.

37 posted on 10/28/2012 9:56:12 AM PDT by GregNH (If you are unable to fight, please find a good place to hide.)
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To: BlatherNaut; All
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/10/21/truth-behind-the-benghazi-attack.html

This is a must-read timeline of the attack.

38 posted on 10/28/2012 10:02:25 AM PDT by Feline_AIDS (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: Travis McGee

EXCELLENT VISUAL.


39 posted on 10/28/2012 10:18:42 AM PDT by kitkat
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To: Mr Rogers
"Not true. Depending on the equipment, you can use a laser to determine range, which is then used to calculate coordinates."

Then why during the heat of battle would the man stop, take the time to activate the unit and laz a target when there is nothing in the air to take out that target?

40 posted on 10/28/2012 10:22:59 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: GregNH

it is a sad state of affairs when we have to ask our enemies for effing mercy because our pResident is refusing to be disturbed while our people are being attacked


41 posted on 10/28/2012 10:23:47 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: PLK

rahm is despicable


42 posted on 10/28/2012 10:26:16 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: KeyLargo

“Then why during the heat of battle would the man stop, take the time to activate the unit and laz a target when there is nothing in the air to take out that target? “

Because it only takes a moment with some types of equipment. As in a couple of seconds.

I don’t know what sort of equipment they had on hand. Four years ago, I know the USAF aircraft had equipment that would do it all in a second. Hit the button, release the button, and you now have coordinates that give support folks a better chance of helping you. But I don’t know how much of that technology was on hand.

My point was that the use of the laser did not PROVE assets were available.

When working CAS with a TACP years ago, we did pull estimated coordinates and provide them with our air requests, time permitting. During a 7 hour engagement, the guy may have thought, “You don’t think we know enough to give you support? Well, HERE it is, all on a silver platter...”


43 posted on 10/28/2012 10:53:17 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
POTUS Valerie Jarrett

Zero is "Chance the Gardener" AKA TOTUS

TOTUS? I'd say that Zero is more like SOTUS (Vallerie Jarrett's strap-on of the US).

44 posted on 10/28/2012 11:45:39 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: BlatherNaut

If you want to get more military insight into Benghazi and other military issues, I recommend the radio show on KFI LA AM 640 8-10 Sat and Sunday nights, Brian Suits, A Dark Secret Place.


45 posted on 10/28/2012 11:48:13 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Windflier
I'd say that Zero is more like SOTUS (Vallerie Jarrett's strap-on of the US).

ROTFLOL !!! ;-)

46 posted on 10/28/2012 12:11:23 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Travis McGee

That one is going to leave a mark.


47 posted on 10/28/2012 12:12:44 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: BlatherNaut; All
Report: Obama Watched Benghazi Attack From 'Situation Room'

Justice with Judge Jeanine 10/27/12 - CIA talks about latest news about Benghazi coverup

Judge Jeanine speaking with Charles Woods, father of Benghazi slain SEAL Ty Woods

Judge Jeanine asks White House 'How do you sleep at night'

48 posted on 10/28/2012 12:22:04 PM PDT by Larousse2 (The price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance. ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: GregNH

Yes, I noticed the out of context ‘tense he used. Obama is being evasive here.

I mean of course if forces are going to be moved into Libya for any action, it would have to come with confirmation from the President and it’s not like nobody knows where the President is so Awol doesn’t really work as an excuse.

Obama was taking the route that he thought was safest for Obama which to me shows he and his top advisers didn’t really think the ambassador would be killed.

I think when in doubt you send in the largest force you can muster up at the time while preparing additional forces beyond that. Go big or stay home. They chose stay home.


49 posted on 10/28/2012 12:40:37 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Travis McGee
Bingo!
50 posted on 10/28/2012 12:43:34 PM PDT by Shqipo (I am AttackWatch parolee #1,237. I am breaking my parole once more.)
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