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TRR: Is a General losing his job over Benghazi?
Washington Times ^

Posted on 10/28/2012 12:01:13 PM PDT by TigerClaws

Is an American General losing his job for trying to save the Americans besieged in Benghazi? This is the latest potential wrinkle in the growing scandal surrounding the September 11, 2012 terrorist attack that left four men dead and President Obama scrambling for a coherent explanation. On October 18, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta appeared unexpectedly at an otherwise unrelated briefing on “Efforts to Enhance the Financial Health of the Force." News organizations and CSPAN were told beforehand there was no news value to the event and gave it scant coverage. In his brief remarks Mr. Panetta said, "Today I am very pleased to announce that President Obama will nominate General David Rodriguez to succeed General Carter Ham as commander of U.S. Africa Command.” This came as a surprise to many, since General Ham had only been in the position for a year and a half. The General is a very well regarded officer who made AFRICOM into a true Combatant Command after the ineffective leadership of his predecessor, General William E. "Kip" Ward. Later, word circulated informally that General Ham was scheduled to rotate out in March 2013 anyway, but according to Joint doctrine, "the tour length for combatant commanders and Defense agency directors is three years." Some assumed that he was leaving for unspecified personal reasons.

Read more: TRR: Is a General losing his job over Benghazi? - Washington Times http://p.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2012/oct/28/general-losing-his-job-over-benghazi/#ixzz2AcbbB7Er Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: africom; benghazi; benghazigate; generalcarter; generalcarterham; libya; waronterror

1 posted on 10/28/2012 12:01:16 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

The number of career casualties from being thrown under the Obumbler bus continues to mount...


2 posted on 10/28/2012 12:04:15 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: TigerClaws

If so, then he should open his mouth. What can Obama do - demote him?


3 posted on 10/28/2012 12:11:03 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: TigerClaws
Vallerie Jarrett is wearing the Strap-on Of The United States.
4 posted on 10/28/2012 12:15:23 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: TigerClaws
Is an American General losing his job for trying to save the Americans besieged in Benghazi? This is the latest potential wrinkle in the growing scandal surrounding the September 11, 2012 terrorist attack that left four men dead and President Obama scrambling for a coherent explanation.

coherent explanation = plausible lie???

5 posted on 10/28/2012 12:27:01 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: TigerClaws
Is an American General losing his job for trying to save the Americans besieged in Benghazi? This is the latest potential wrinkle in the growing scandal surrounding the September 11, 2012 terrorist attack that left four men dead and President Obama scrambling for a coherent explanation.

coherent explanation = plausible lie???

6 posted on 10/28/2012 12:27:14 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: TigerClaws
From the article:

The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.

General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.

The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham's place as the head of Africom.

Chilling...

7 posted on 10/28/2012 12:30:30 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Slump Tester
Seems like a steady and capable guy ... nothing fancy
8 posted on 10/28/2012 12:34:33 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: markomalley

Should be banner headline, lead story news. Thanks for posting this here.


9 posted on 10/28/2012 12:36:19 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: markomalley

A perfidious #2 who had already been prepped to do this in event Ham had balls. IMHO, of course...


10 posted on 10/28/2012 12:36:22 PM PDT by jagusafr
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To: markomalley

How and why would Rodriguez have the support behind him that could constitute a mutiny?


11 posted on 10/28/2012 12:57:40 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: TigerClaws

Panetta was an army intel guy and his son is a navy intel reservist. Now this son is a lawyer in Oakland, Calif. Now that his dad covered up the rasons for the deaths of SEALs I wonder what this man thinks of his dad...?


12 posted on 10/28/2012 1:00:57 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: TigerClaws

Here is some more interesting “stuff”....

This was a reply on another site that raised a Very Plausible scenario ———

“It is now known that Congress knew Obama has been trying to figure out how to release the blind sheik in US prison to the MB in Egypt. To make his release acceptable to the American public and to clinch the election, Obama had to create an October Surprise hostage exchange - Stevens for the sheik. To help the MB capture Stevens, Obama had to remove all security from Stevens, lest a fight break out and Stevens gets himself killed. But the two ex-seals that came to Stevens’ aid did put up a fight. After hours of trying to capture Stevens alive, the terrorists finally decided to end it and kill them all.

From sources such as a 20 year CIA veteran interviewed by Glenn Beck, we know that it is entirely unreasonable to believe Obama didn’t know minutes from the events beginning to unfold - that everyone knew from the start - Hillary, Obama, Petreaus, Panetta, etc. We now know that the ex-seals were told to stand down (allow capture?), that the CIA was told to stand down, and that any rescue mission being considered came (intentionally?) too late.

Do you see where this is going? Obama wanted no resistance. He wanted Stevens captured alive.
To hide the WH-MB link, Obama began to push the video as the reason for Stevens’ death. But when the lie wouldn’t hold any longer, Biden said that Obama and Biden never knew that Stevens’ was lacking security, only to find now that this is too incredible to believe.
The press continues to ask, “What did Obama know and when did he know it?”, and are refusing to ask the real question, “Why was Stevens’ request for security repeatedly intentionally denied, and why did the Obama administration refuse to launch any rescue operation?”


13 posted on 10/28/2012 1:07:28 PM PDT by lgjhn23
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To: onedoug

Not if Rodriguez was following the command of someone higher up the chain to relieve Ham of command. Though if the timeline given is correct it’s pretty obvious the plan to do so was already in place, which is at best extremely suspicious.


14 posted on 10/28/2012 1:29:17 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: markomalley

General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.


Chilling is right. That doesn’t happen often.


15 posted on 10/28/2012 1:34:04 PM PDT by OwenKellogg (Real hope and change begins on Nov 6 with another Reagan Revolution)
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To: OwenKellogg; All

One minute into this Bolton explains the two stories being circulated:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1927355949001/

Hope that clears up what I believe is a contradiction in stories.


16 posted on 10/28/2012 1:39:45 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: lgjhn23

Releasing the sheik makes Obama look weak. Having an ambassador taken hostage makes Obama look weak. Trading the sheik for the ambassador makes Obama look weak.

None of it is good for Obama. I can understand him wanting to appease the Muslim Brotherhood, but only after the election.

State and Defense didn’t want their pet Libyan government look weak in the eyes of the Islamists by sending in a military response with or without their permission. There likely is an American-backed gun running operation from to the Syrian rebels.

I have an strong aversion to conspiracy theories - the only thing that makes me wonder what more is going is the reduced security for Stevens’ trip, and that really is a red flag.

But human stupidity, cupidity and wickedness accounts for so much without deep and complicated plots.


17 posted on 10/28/2012 2:30:11 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: TigerClaws

Panetta said “(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place”.

I understand the fear of a standing military as a threat to individual sovereignty of a free We the People and the need for civilian control but that doesn’t mean the Commander in Chief has to be grossly ignorant of military strategy and tactics. A president should at least be intelligent enough to accept advice from officers that spent their lives becoming experts.

Obama and Panetta are as qualified to understand advice from the JCS and other top level commanders as they are to advise a brain surgeon how to operate.

How can our nation survive when voters elect such utterly incompetent leaders and approve their appointments to positions like Secretary of Defense or State?


18 posted on 10/28/2012 2:48:21 PM PDT by jody2 (Legislature veto governor's bills)
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To: jody2

Consider this as well: How many lives were saved because the ex SEALs ignored orders?

This says 30 - interview with his father.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/10/26/transcript-Megan-kellys-interview-with-father-of-former-navy-seal-killed-in-libya-attack/

Thirty more lives O was willing to throw away.


19 posted on 10/28/2012 2:51:46 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: jody2; All

Consider this as well: How many lives were saved because the ex SEALs ignored orders?

This says 30 - interview with his father.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/10/26/transcript-Megan-kellys-interview-with-father-of-former-navy-seal-killed-in-libya-attack/

Thirty more lives O was willing to throw away.


20 posted on 10/28/2012 2:52:01 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

Seems to me General Ham was playing for the wrong team (ours) in 0’s estimation.


21 posted on 10/28/2012 3:04:02 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: TigerClaws

Understand. I’ve been in harms way and have many close friends who are legends among those who know them and their accomplishments.

I have zero respect for those who ignore those who fight and die for a concept and dream of which politicians are apparently completely ignorant.


22 posted on 10/28/2012 3:15:33 PM PDT by jody2 (Legislature veto governor's bills)
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To: heartwood
"human stupidity, cupidity and wickedness accounts for so much without deep and complicated plots."

yes, but plots do occur. We should have pulled our Ambassador out a long time ago. Obama could have ridden high through the election, the Ambassador had been captured, then rescued by one of our special forces groups. Why didn't they come in when the SEALs entered and complicated things? It looks like that just wasn't accounted for.

I think after the first debate, Obama's team felt like they needed a great surprise. A rescue would have fit the bill. I understand trying to avoid the conspiracy theory thing, but desperate people do desperate things and Obama's allies were desperate. A LOT of money and power is at stake.

23 posted on 10/28/2012 3:22:59 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (christian.bahits.com)
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To: TigerClaws

General Ham is a good man.
Wouldn’t be surprised if this is true.


24 posted on 10/28/2012 3:36:03 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: FreeAtlanta

Panetta’s excuse wreaked of FEAR and COWARDICE.


25 posted on 10/28/2012 3:36:53 PM PDT by papageo
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To: TigerClaws

This piece of dogsh!+, this African communist Ubama, must GO.


26 posted on 10/28/2012 3:39:13 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: TigerClaws

If General Ham had the stones to defy a “stand down” order and spin up a rescue mission, then he probably has enough nerve to name names and tell the truth.

Come on, General. Your fellow citizens need to hear some honesty for a change. Let’s hear your story.


27 posted on 10/28/2012 3:41:02 PM PDT by DNME (Something wicked this way comes ... and soon. Finish your preps.)
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To: heartwood

“..I have an strong aversion to conspiracy theories - the only thing that makes me wonder what more is going is the reduced security for Stevens’ trip, and that really is a red flag.
But human stupidity, cupidity and wickedness accounts for so much without deep and complicated plots....”

I hear ya on the conspiracy theories. We know they’re desperate, stupid and wicked, but there has to be a reason. If the motive wasn’t power, than perhaps it was the money.

FWIW:

“Ghadaffi amassed $260billion in his sovereign wealth fund in just 5 years after sanctions were lifted with 40% of that under management in the US which was frozen during the ouster of Ghadaffi. Follow the money! You don’t drop bombs in Libya or deploy AC130s to save Americans fighting for their lives, if you’re goal is to install a govt to control unimaginable sums...and if Gens Ward, Ham and others get in your way, you set them up and replace them...”


28 posted on 10/28/2012 4:14:45 PM PDT by lgjhn23
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To: TigerClaws

The question you need to ask yourself is, “They are covering up something worse than the deaths of four Americans. What could be more damaging to the President?”


29 posted on 10/28/2012 5:53:16 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (The dude abides.)
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To: TigerClaws

Jennifer Griffen, Nat’l Security correspondent for Fox News tweeted :

“Rumors Gen Carter Ham relieved of command over Benghazi NOT true, according to multiple well placed sources. Long planned change of command.”


30 posted on 10/28/2012 6:05:20 PM PDT by baysider
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To: TigerClaws

My computer won’t let me see video. What did Bolton say?


31 posted on 10/28/2012 6:43:11 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: FreeAtlanta

I thought the same thing. But the first presidential debate wasn’t until October 3rd - well after Obama had been spinning the 9-11 attack as being a demonstration that turned violent. Whatever was motivating Obama was before the first debate debacle.

That doesn’t mean that he wouldn’t plan a daring rescue though. The pollsters were making it appear like Obama was way ahead (using over-weighted dem samples), but Obama’s own internal polls had to be looking pretty bad for him even then.


32 posted on 10/28/2012 6:48:58 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: baysider

If it was planned for a long time there should be some kind of paper trail. I wonder how a person would get access to that paper trail.


33 posted on 10/28/2012 6:52:13 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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“Rumors Gen Carter Ham relieved of command over Benghazi NOT true, according to multiple well placed sources. Long planned change of command.”

Oh, come on. A "long planned change of command" that just happened to take place reportedly within minutes of General Ham preparing to act in Ben Ghazi ... ????

34 posted on 10/28/2012 7:16:04 PM PDT by cyn
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To: FreeAtlanta

A rescue, with the sheik to be released later, after the election? Maybe....

It would have to be a staged rescue of the ambassador, not a release, because with the release you’re looking for the trade.

If I were MB or AQ I wouldn’t trust O on a trade later.

And letting your ambassador be kidnapped in the first place looks stupid and weak, even if you do get him back with a rah rah show of force two weeks later.


35 posted on 10/28/2012 7:16:44 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: markomalley
General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.

The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham's place as the head of Africom.

If this is really true, and I have seen at least 2-3 other threads with the same story....then I fault General Ham for NOT disobeying some statement from his 2nd in command that he was now relieved of his command. Gen Ham should have said "Nuts" and given the order to proceed, if anything for the sake of the 4 Americans, fighting for their lives. I would bet that Gen Ham's entire command would still have recognized him as the legitimate commander. Personally I am not real convinced that this is what actually happened.

36 posted on 10/28/2012 9:46:37 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: Vermont Lt

The question you need to ask yourself is, “They are covering up something worse than the deaths of four Americans. What could be more damaging to the President?”

Gun running, another fast and furious gone bad.


37 posted on 10/28/2012 10:01:42 PM PDT by Wj33
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To: OwenKellogg

but don’t you want to know who the POS is, that let the administration know that he was getting ready to launch a QRF, anyway?

That person is just as much an a**hole as the current a**hole in the white house.


38 posted on 10/28/2012 10:17:55 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: TigerClaws

Sounds like a Hitler/Stalin-type promotion - to the Eastern Front.


39 posted on 10/28/2012 10:45:55 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: butterdezillion

Having two CIA agents murdered and denying any help to them while watching their deaths makes the comments Obama and Biden made in the debates about the intelligence community even more galling.

It is no doubt they must hate this administration with white hot fire.


40 posted on 10/29/2012 4:19:14 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (christian.bahits.com)
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To: FreeAtlanta

Let’s hope that white hot fire comes back to bite Obama in the butt, big-time. (sorry to mix metaphors)


41 posted on 10/29/2012 4:41:32 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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