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Retired officer: Obama watched Benghazi attack happen, sources say (and did nothing)
the examiner ^ | October 28, 2012 | BY: JOE NEWBY

Posted on 10/29/2012 3:14:31 AM PDT by tobyhill

On Saturday, retired Army Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer told Fox News that according to his sources, President Obama watched the assault on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, from the White House as it took place.

“This was in the middle of the business day in Washington, so everybody at the White House, CIA, Pentagon, everybody was watching this go down,” he said on Fox News’ “Justice with Judge Jeanine.”

“According to my sources, yes, [President Obama] was one of those in the White House Situation Room in real-time watching this,” he added.

Video: Military analyst says Obama watched Benghazi attack in real time. Col. David Hunt, a Fox News military analyst, said the "entire U.S. government was paying attention," since this was the fourth embassy to have been attacked in a 24-hour period.

But President Obama said Friday that he was "not personally aware" of any requests for additional security.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: benrhodes; christopherstevens; foxnews; jaycarney; libya; shadowwars; soshillary; susanrice; threatmatrix; tonyshaffer; usembassy

1 posted on 10/29/2012 3:14:35 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Obama, Hillary, Panetta, Patreaus, Charlene Lamb have BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS!!!!!!


2 posted on 10/29/2012 3:19:18 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: tobyhill

No experience to guide the little twerp. Hey let’s reelect this joker.


3 posted on 10/29/2012 3:20:25 AM PDT by DooDahhhh (ma)
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To: tobyhill

Obama said “not personally aware”...parsed that means someone else got the info FIRST and then gave it to him OR he PERSONALLY didn’t CARE!


4 posted on 10/29/2012 3:20:33 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

obama was “present” but not ‘aware’

sums it up nicely


5 posted on 10/29/2012 3:25:10 AM PDT by Einherjar ( Asking only workman's wages I come looking for a job But I get no offers...)
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To: tobyhill

When they asked what he wanted to do he probably soiled himelf and ran to Valerie Jarrett to get his nappies changed.


6 posted on 10/29/2012 3:29:40 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

I sounds like someone, maybe Valerie or Axelrod is actually running the executive branch. They are answering to someone else outside this country, but who?? Who is controlling this puppet regime?


7 posted on 10/29/2012 3:37:04 AM PDT by upstatenyrepublican
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To: Einherjar

Once again, its all about not knowing how to make a decision.


8 posted on 10/29/2012 3:44:35 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (r)
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To: upstatenyrepublican

Where is Romney? Why aren’t we hearing Romney condeming this ?


9 posted on 10/29/2012 3:49:28 AM PDT by tommix2 (,)
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To: tommix2

Romney decided to let it implode on its own. Conservative media will draw attention to it and eventually MSM will be forced to come along.

I also believe an insider (military) told Romney what happened. It was such a disaster and is coming out every day with more to come (according to Brett B they have gotten 150 tips so far) that he’s letting it happen on its own.

Women and undecided voters weren’t turned off by the brawling at the debate and Romney has a 5 point Gallup lead. He can afford to take the high road!


10 posted on 10/29/2012 4:00:02 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Ann Archy
Never let a crisis go to waste - even if you have to manufacture one. This is all about the first amendment to the constitution. Freedom of speech is irksome to islamists, they want our constitution overhauled to a more modern version that they can live with.

A random,Youtube video, a sacrificial (now dead), gay ambassador whose job it was to run guns to Al Qaeda in Libya (to help with the muslim spring) and a worldwide outcry against US free speech as an incitement to violence didn't work for the Bamster and the Brotherhood.

Even firing Generals and Admirals who had the guts to try and save the doomed consulate is not going unnoticed.

Axelrod, and the Muslim Brotherhood can't run this country.

11 posted on 10/29/2012 4:07:27 AM PDT by x_plus_one (Leaving Islam?...http://freedomdefense.typepad.com/leave-islam/)
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To: tobyhill

We may recall that *after* the WTC had been hit on 9/11/2001, W was informed of the attacks in front of schoolchildren and took YEARS of flak for pausing momentarily.

By contrast here’s a president who was fully aware of an attack in plenty of time to do something about it. O didn’t just pause momentarily, he *chose* to let our guys die without help.


12 posted on 10/29/2012 4:11:49 AM PDT by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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To: TigerClaws

I’m worried that Obama’s stonewalling is working. Other than Fox and Drudge, who’s carrying this information?


13 posted on 10/29/2012 4:22:52 AM PDT by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: upstatenyrepublican
I sounds like someone, maybe Valerie or Axelrod is actually running the executive branch. They are answering to someone else outside this country, but who?? Who is controlling this puppet regime?

Finally. Someone appears to be waking up. Kind of like someone leaving the river gate open that night...on purpose. Hmmm...

14 posted on 10/29/2012 4:33:34 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: tobyhill

I’ve started posted this stuff on my facebook and I may loose friends but I don’t care at least am saying something. More people need to start speaking out. I’m glad that Ty Woods family has come forward. These cowards need to get out of office.


15 posted on 10/29/2012 4:33:55 AM PDT by coconut47
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To: July4

Obama’s likeability went down 7 points in the last week! Word is getting out. Email, radio, fox, internet. MSM no longer has control over news.


16 posted on 10/29/2012 4:36:02 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

and Romney simply lets Obummer cook in his own juices.


17 posted on 10/29/2012 4:48:39 AM PDT by Tugo (Romney & Ryan)
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To: TigerClaws

and Romney simply lets Obummer cook in his own juices.


18 posted on 10/29/2012 4:48:50 AM PDT by Tugo (Romney & Ryan)
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To: No.6

“We may recall that *after* the WTC had been hit on 9/11/2001, W was informed of the attacks in front of schoolchildren and took YEARS of flak for pausing momentarily.

By contrast here’s a president who was fully aware of an attack in plenty of time to do something about it. O didn’t just pause momentarily, he *chose* to let our guys die without help.”

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You are spot on. GW didn’t want to alarm the children—he left as soon as he could without frightening anyone. I’m so sick of people criticizing him for his careful response.

Obama, on the other hand, has blood on his hands, IMO.


19 posted on 10/29/2012 5:02:11 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (Pray for America. She is the world's last best hope for freedom.)
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To: tobyhill

That office in Benghazi wasn’t a “consulate”. It was a CIA field station, part of an arms-smuggling operation.


20 posted on 10/29/2012 5:03:40 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: x_plus_one
"A random,Youtube video, a sacrificial (now dead), gay ambassador whose job it was to run guns to Al Qaeda in Libya (to help with the muslim spring)"

I think they wanted the ambassador out of the picture (a la Ron Brown). They watched to confirm he was taken out.

21 posted on 10/29/2012 5:14:53 AM PDT by NoExpectations
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To: July4
I’m worried that Obama’s stonewalling is working. Other than Fox and Drudge, who’s carrying this information?

In the Cedar Rapids Gazette's endorsement of Romney yesterday, they referenced Benghazi as one of their reasons for the endorsement. Granted, it's not the NYT, but it is the 2nd largest newspaper in one of the battleground states.

22 posted on 10/29/2012 5:20:51 AM PDT by PLK
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To: tobyhill

If he gets reelected he will never be held accountable. If he doesn’t, the Republicans are too wimpy to put him on trial.


23 posted on 10/29/2012 5:28:21 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Democrat party: criminal enterprise masquerading as a political party.)
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To: Venturer
I agree in a serious way.

Obama likely had NO idea how to respond. He has no military experience nor even a passing interest.

Without a moral backbone, one has to lead by committee & consensus. This takes time. So close to an election makes a quick decision almost impossible. I imagine the military voices in the room calling for assistance for our people in Benghazi were a small minority compared to the loud politicians (Jarrett) urging caution & restraint.

Obama’s entire Presidency has been one of postponement of hard decisions. Not a word about controlling entitlements. No rational budget in 4 years. Jobs are always just one more expensive gov’t program down the road. Same for a real recovery. He has been campaigning, not leading since Feb. 2009.

Cowardly indecision killed Americans in Benghazi.

Not to be cold, but Stevens & his compatriots may have died for their country in a way they did not imagine. For if Obama had be a Bush or Reagan, the "cavalry" WOULD have been sent in on a rescue, & whatever the outcome, Obama would have been seen in a favorable light, probably insuring his reelection.

24 posted on 10/29/2012 5:31:25 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: July4

Word IS getting out. I have family members who only watch/read DBM news and they knew about Obama’s three denials for help.


25 posted on 10/29/2012 5:38:36 AM PDT by randita
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To: tobyhill

Bump


26 posted on 10/29/2012 5:51:23 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: tobyhill

9/11 — of course everyone had to be especially alert and watching during this time due to obvious recognition of the significance and dangers associated with this day. Just common sense. Obama lies, but that too is obvious.


27 posted on 10/29/2012 5:58:42 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Ann Archy
Their goal is the "re-makiing" of America... a few eggs must be broken to make an omelet; so too, a few souls will be lost in the CAUSE... the CAUSE being bigger than any one person, or four, as the case may be...
28 posted on 10/29/2012 6:00:09 AM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: Ann Archy
Obama said “not personally aware”...parsed that means someone else got the info FIRST and then gave it to him OR he PERSONALLY didn’t CARE!

One of two scenarios:

1) He's a stoner, totally, like, gonzo dude...

-or-

2) He's one of the Mooselimb Brothers...completely rooting for the enemy.

29 posted on 10/29/2012 6:01:21 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: TigerClaws

eventually MSM will be forced to come along
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Don’t hold your breath. As Rush so aptly characterizes the MSM: they are the Drive-Bys. Nothing to see here, just move on.


30 posted on 10/29/2012 6:01:47 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: upstatenyrepublican
It's Hillary.

It's almost an exact repeat of 1993’s Blackhawk Down.

31 posted on 10/29/2012 6:17:04 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Benghazi all boils down to a key factor which is granting
CROSS-BORDER AUTHORITY.

Everything I have read and seen so far is still confirming my initial thinking on the matter, going way back to my days as a NavSpecWar officer who took a SEAL det to Beirut a long time ago.

Once the alarm is sent from Benghazi, dozens of HQs are notified and are in the loop in real time, including AFRICOM and EURCOM, both located in Germany.

Without waiting for orders, they begin planning and executing rescue operations, including getting air support over Benghazi ASAP. But one thing they CANNOT DO without explicit orders from the POTUS is cross an international border. That is the big “red line.”

All POTUS has to do is NOT grant cross-border authority, and the entire rescue (already in progress) must stop in its tracks. Ships can loiter on station, but planes fall out of the sky, so they must be redirected to an air base (Sigonella Sicily) to await the POTUS decision on granting CBA. If it never comes, the men in Behghazi must rely only on assets already “in country” in Libya, such as the Tripoli QRF and the Predators.

(And possibly AC-130s that might already have been in Libya: they were last year, but their location on 9-11-2012 is unknown. If they were “in country” but were prevented from firing, that is another situation.)

So if at the 5pm DC time meeting with Panetta and Biden, Obama said, “No outside military action,” meaning no CBA will be granted, then THAT IS IT. Case closed.

That constitutes “standing orders” all the way down the chain of command via Panetta to Ham and the subordinate commands trying to rescue the men in Benghazi.

If Obama then goes upstairs to the family quarters to watch TV or sleep, or otherwise makes himself “unavailable,” then his last standing orders will stand until he changes them, even if he goes to sleep until the morning of 9-12. Nobody in the chain of command below him can countermand his “standing orders” not to send military forces from outside of Libya into Libyan air space.

Nobody.

Personally, I think he left “no outside miltary intervention, no cross-border authority” standing orders, and then he went to bed. Damn him to hell.

(And to me, the most damning aspect of all is that Obama went to bed while his Ambassador was still missing and presumed kidnapped by Al Queda. Ambassador Stevens might have been on a Youtube video pleading for his life, ready to get the Nick Berg/Danny Pearl “intro to jihad” treatment, and Obama WENT TO BED to rest up for his much more important fund raiser in Las Vegas!)


32 posted on 10/29/2012 6:23:26 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Mister Da

I saw BO campaigning yesterday and he actually said something like “It’s not about what has happened in the past, but what we are going to do in the next 4 years” I was appalled. BO has never taken responsibility for anything in his life. I guess when he and the Mooch get wiped out next week, it won’t be his fault. If he does happen to get reelected, he must be impeached over Benghazi. He is bad for our military, therefore bad for our country. He is no CIC.


33 posted on 10/29/2012 6:24:43 AM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: tobyhill

His new title needs to be Commander of the Portapotty.

That is more along the lines of responsibility he is truly able to handle.


34 posted on 10/29/2012 6:29:35 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: TigerClaws
He can afford to take the high road!

Otherwise known as "Resting on your laurels", or "Prevent Defense", or "Let the other guy have a chance to pull it out and still win".

'Take the high road' is what the left tells us to do when they are losing. 'Kick them when they are down, and dance on their grave' is what the left does when they are winning.

'Take the high road' is what is done when there is a mild disagreement between friends, and losing the argument is not going to change anything. Losing this argument will change everything.

Things need to change, and change dramatically, and taking the high road won't help that happen.

35 posted on 10/29/2012 7:10:01 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: TigerClaws
MSM no longer has control over news.

And it's killing them.

Some podunk news reporter was whining on Twitter the other day about how he hated the social media because 'ameturs' shouldn't talk about the news.

He was slapped down pretty quick for telling eveyone they didn't have a right to their opinons! ROFLMBO!

36 posted on 10/29/2012 7:55:32 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: TigerClaws
Yep. Romney's letting the Benghazigate chips fall where they may.

Thank God for Fox News - and others - for reporting on this. As I mentioned before, sure wish a Special Ops or other PAC would put out a devastating ad on the Benghazi cover up, for the "toss up" states.

37 posted on 10/29/2012 8:02:16 AM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Travis McGee
"Once the alarm is sent from Benghazi, dozens of HQs are notified and are in the loop in real time, including AFRICOM and EURCOM, both located in Germany. Without waiting for orders, they begin planning and executing rescue operations, including getting air support over Benghazi ASAP."

Yes, and unless things have changed for the worse, spec ops, Marines, soldiers, sailors, airmen, and CIA covert operatives train for such contingencies all the time.

People with no military knowledge tend to think that those not in the "sh*t" just sit around. Sailors swing in hammocks; soldiers hang around the barracks smoking and joking; Marines just run and do calisthenics; Air Force pilots and crew just go on joy rides.

There is a reason we are biggest baddest dog on the block...it's called training, training, and more training for any and all scenarios. Except for some politically motivated Flag officers, the military takes their jobs seriously and train for worse!

The idea that we shouldn't send in aircraft from Sicily to strafe the ground in fear of killing civilians in Libya is abhorrent to me. Unless I'm mistaken, we have air support for any theater of concern within an hour - somewhat later for ground incursion.

Something that many have forgotten during this debacle is that Bambi has allowed many drone attacks in Pakistan. Where was the guarantee that NO civilians would be killed in those operations? And what about the SEAL incursion to kill bin-Laden? Any guarantees there? Pfft.

38 posted on 10/29/2012 8:59:03 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: IMR 4350
"It's almost an exact repeat of 1993’s Blackhawk Down."

I've made the same analogy, but I can't decide which is worse. The fact that Clinton denied prior request for backup (armor/air) or Bambi didn't give a GO while the fight was in progress. Both had prior knowledge of the threats - Mogadishu militia with clinton and earlier attacks against our Consulate in Libya with Bambi.

There is something seriously wrong with Democrat presidential thinking. Say what you will about Kennedy and FDR, but they at least fought. Crappola since, especially LBJ (may he rot in hell).

39 posted on 10/29/2012 9:24:01 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet
Something else to consider.

In 1993, Clinton's non response ended up making Osama Bin Laden the big dog on the block in the terrorist world.

Obama’s non response has just done the same thing with this guy in Libya responsible for the attack.

When a Clinton is involved there is no such thing as just a coincidence.

40 posted on 10/29/2012 9:19:14 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Note: this topic was posted 10/29/2012. Thanks tobyhill.

41 posted on 05/02/2014 2:18:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: tommix2
Romney?????

ROFLOL!!!

42 posted on 05/02/2014 2:28:03 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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