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Stand-Down Order In Benghazi Attack Still A Mystery
IBD EDITORIALS ^ | October 29, 2012

Posted on 10/29/2012 5:46:50 PM PDT by raptor22

Benghazi: The president says the election has nothing to do with four brave Americans getting killed, but, as in 1980 at another embassy, it should — just as it matters who gave the order to stand down.

We have speculated that a reason the cries for military help during the seven-hour assault on our consulate in Benghazi were ignored was due to fears of another "Blackhawk down" incident as in Somalia under President Clinton or a repeat of the Desert One mission that crashed and burned in the Iranian desert in a failed attempt to rescue our hostages in Tehran in 1980.

After all, according to Richard Miniter's book "Leading From Behind: The Reluctant President and the Advisors Who Decide for Him," it was at the urging of White House adviser Valerie Jarrett that President Obama canceled the operation to kill Osama bin Laden three times before finally approving the May 2, 2011, Navy SEAL mission. Her concern: the political harm to Obama if the mission failed.

As we've written, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has falsely said we didn't have real-time intelligence of the terrorist attack on our consulate in Benghazi. The administration has also suggested it was the CIA that put the brakes on any attempt at relief or rescue.

ABC's Jake Tapper reports that a CIA spokesman, presumably at the direction of CIA Director David Petraeus, has put out a statement saying, "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate."

Someone did, and the question is who?

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: benghazigate; consulte; glendoherty; ibd; ibdbenghazi; islamist; islamofascism; jihad; libya; nayvyseals; shadowwars; threatmatrix; tyronewoods
At least Jimmy Carter tried arescue.
1 posted on 10/29/2012 5:46:51 PM PDT by raptor22
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To: raptor22
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2 posted on 10/29/2012 5:52:17 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: raptor22

Gen. Ham said nobody ever gave him the order to go:

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/benghazigate-general-ham-no-order-to-protect-consulate-video/


3 posted on 10/29/2012 5:57:46 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: raptor22

Such an order could only have come from the top. The units within reach of Benghazi all knew what was happening and I cannot believe that every commander who was relevant did not request immediate permission to respond.


4 posted on 10/29/2012 5:58:04 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: TigerClaws

Sounds as if Obama has been placing military officers loyal to “O” in positions to subvert their commanders and begin a takeover of military units.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2951989/posts

“Africom commanding officer U.S. General Carter Ham, after being ordered to essentially surrender control of the situation to alleged Al Queda terrorists and let Americans on the ground die, made the unilateral decision to ignore orders from the Secretary of Defense and activated special operations teams at his disposal for immediate deployment to the area.”

“According to reports, once the General went rogue he was ARRESTED WITHIN MINUTES by his second in command and relieved of duty.”


5 posted on 10/29/2012 6:05:31 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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6 posted on 10/29/2012 6:08:11 PM PDT by raptor22 (Join me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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To: raptor22
"No one at the CIA" means it happened above the CIA, IOW, at the White House.

Will one freaking reporter in this country please ask President Obama if he granted or withheld

CROSS-BORDER AUTHORITY?

Everything I have read and seen so far on Benghazi is still confirming my initial thinking on the matter, going way back to my days as a NavSpecWar officer who took a SEAL det to Beirut a long time ago.

Once the alarm is sent from Benghazi, dozens of HQs are notified and are in the loop in real time, including AFRICOM and EURCOM, both located in Germany.

Without waiting for orders, they begin planning and executing rescue operations, including getting air support over Benghazi ASAP. But one thing they CANNOT DO without explicit orders from the POTUS is cross an international border. That is the big “red line.”

All POTUS has to do is NOT grant cross-border authority, and the entire air-armada of military rescue (already in progress) must stop in its tracks. Ships can loiter on station, but planes fall out of the sky, so they must be redirected to an air base (Sigonella Sicily) to await the POTUS decision on granting CBA. If it never comes, the men in Behghazi must rely only on assets already “in country” in Libya, such as the Tripoli QRF and the Predators.

(And possibly AC-130s that might already have been in Libya: they were last year, but their location on 9-11-2012 is unknown. If they were “in country” but were prevented from firing, that is another situation.)

So if at the 5 pm DC-time meeting with Panetta and Biden, Obama said, “No outside military action,” meaning no CBA will be granted, then THAT IS IT. Case closed.

That constitutes “standing orders” all the way down the chain of command via Panetta and Dempsey to Ham and the subordinate commands trying to rescue the men in Benghazi.

If Obama then goes upstairs to the family quarters to watch TV or sleep, or otherwise makes himself “unavailable,” then his last standing orders will stand until he changes them, even if he goes to sleep until the morning of 9-12.

Nobody in the chain of command below him can countermand his “standing orders” not to send military forces from outside of Libya into Libyan air space.

Nobody.

Personally, I think he left “no outside miltary intervention, no cross-border authority” standing orders, and then he went to bed. Damn him to hell.

(And to me, the most damning aspect of all is that Obama went to bed while his Ambassador was still missing and presumed kidnapped by Al Queda. Ambassador Stevens might have been on a Youtube video pleading for his life, ready to get the Nick Berg/Danny Pearl “intro to jihad” treatment, and Obama WENT TO BED to rest up for his much more important fund raiser in Las Vegas!)


7 posted on 10/29/2012 6:12:16 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: raptor22

What we are sure of is that the stand down order was a political calculation that four (or more if the SEAL’s had not rescued them) American’s lives were worth less that Obastard’s political future.


8 posted on 10/29/2012 6:12:22 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: raptor22
At least Jimmy Carter tried a rescue.

Obama sent 'em the blue pill.

9 posted on 10/29/2012 6:12:24 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: raptor22
This regime is concerned that anyone would question their response to the Benghazi attack.

They can concern their collective azzes all they want. Americans, and the families of the fallen, want and deserve answers.

10 posted on 10/29/2012 6:23:25 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: raptor22
Not much of a mystery!

Only the POTUS had the authority to act!

0bama was notified immediately and automatically when the Benghazi consulate triggered the "Imminent Danger Notification System" alert. He did nothing.

There are three scandals here...

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Denial of requests for security were a dereliction of duty. The lies and misdirection about the "video" after the attack were fraud and malfeasance under the color of authority. The inaction during the attack was something more than that.

The failure to act during the attack is the direct equivalent of desertion IMO.

ONE man had the authority to act that night.

ONE man deserted his post!

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

0bama Is A Deserter!

11 posted on 10/29/2012 6:30:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: raptor22

This had everything Black Hawk Down had - including the American dragged through the streets and soldiers dying. Except for the brave guys defying the orders they were given, there would presumably have been about 30 other lives lost as well since it was a PLANNED ATTACK and not a protest.

It was only because of somebody else’s heroism that Obama didn’t get the same kind of casualty numbers as Black Hawk Down (if we go with the official story line that it wasn’t a staged kidnapping so Obama could heroically rescue Stevens and the 30 others).

So the argument that they are using is more like we already had 2 Black Hawks down and the people of Benghazi were about to kill them all, and Obama had the capability of dispersing the crowd but refused - even though that would be the only thing that WOULD prevent Black Hawk Down levels of casualties.

That whole story doesn’t wash.

I’m going to watch Black Hawk Down tonight because it is the only thing that fits my mood right now. I want to remember the brave caliber of men who fight for us, and remember that no matter how the a-hole-in-chief tramples these guys, he can never comprehend or defeat the honor of who they are.


12 posted on 10/29/2012 6:30:56 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: raptor22
Stand-Down Order In Benghazi Attack Still A Mystery

Maybe not.

13 posted on 10/29/2012 6:35:19 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Travis McGee

Didn’t he have to authorize the 2 drones to cross into Libyan airspace? Doesn’t make sense for them to claim they had to get permission from Libya, when they already sent in drones. And what retired General Keane said very strongly implied that there was an armed drone there - since he said they didn’t intervene because the drone didn’t allow them to identify who were the enemies and who were Libyan militia members.

IOW, it sounds to me like there was an armed drone there, which is why Woods painted the target and why somebody was giving coordinates for the target. And the story NOW is that they didn’t trust Woods to report exactly where the incoming fire came from.


14 posted on 10/29/2012 6:37:30 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Travis McGee
Will one freaking reporter in this country please ask President Obama if he granted or withheld CROSS-BORDER AUTHORITY?

I'm sure you know that the answer is "no," because had he done so there would be records of it in every command center within 5,000 miles.

15 posted on 10/29/2012 6:40:01 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: raptor22

“Muslim sensibilities first and American lives last.”
Heaven forbid, we might upset the muzzies.


16 posted on 10/29/2012 6:43:30 PM PDT by fivecatsandadog (Don't let reality ruin your day.)
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17 posted on 10/29/2012 6:45:05 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: butterdezillion

I think that the only rescue assets were those already “in country” in Libya on 9-11. The QRF from Tripoli, and the predators. AC-130U spectre gunship possible, but doubtful. If the AC-130 was over Behghazi, then it was clearly not permitted to fire. My guess is they only had support from the Tripoli QRF and the Predators for eyes above, but no weapons.


18 posted on 10/29/2012 6:46:04 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: raptor22

Why did we overthrow the government in Libya? Think about it! Gaddafi was a bad guy, but if Obama wants to take out bad guys, Fidel Castro is what, 90 miles away? Obama is a grifter. He’s out for himself and Democrat campaign funds. What was in it for him? Look at illinoispaytoplay.com and read the three part story. It was for money! Obama overthrew governments and started wars to make himself some money. People died because he wanted money.


19 posted on 10/29/2012 6:55:06 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Travis McGee

Is QRF Quick Reaction Force?

Did we have drones already in Libya?

The things that don’t make sense if the drones were unarmed are the painting of the target (as well as giving the coordinates for the target) and Keane’s claim that they couldn’t intervene because they were afraid of hitting militia members. That wouldn’t make sense as a reason to not send in something to simply disperse the crowd; it would only make sense for not using weapons that were available at the time.

There have to be records about what happened, and hopefully there will be more people setting the record straight. No matter how you slice it, Obama and his regime are all jerks who between them all don’t have as much honor as Woods has in his little toenail.


20 posted on 10/29/2012 6:56:17 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: raptor22
What mystery????

OBL, I mean BHO is the ONLY one that can make the stand down order.

21 posted on 10/29/2012 7:13:33 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: fivecatsandadog
“Muslim sensibilities first and American lives last.”
Heaven forbid, we might upset the muzzies.

TSA's mission statement.

22 posted on 10/29/2012 7:18:04 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Travis McGee
If Obama then goes upstairs to the family quarters to watch TV or sleep, or otherwise makes himself “unavailable,” then his last standing orders will stand until he changes them, even if he goes to sleep until the morning of 9-12.

I'm not quite sure who the President of the USA is - a hired worker who has very specific duties 24/7/365, or a monarch surrounded by courtiers? What you describe is more appropriate for the Emperor of the world.

In a sane society, however, the Commander-in-Chief can and should be awaken whenever necessary, and should be delivered, regardless of his opinion, into the Situation Room where he will be given specific scenarios - that in this case changed by the minute - and requested (not subserviently asked!) to stay at his post and keep directing the country's armed forces and every other department of the government, as needed (namely, the CIA,) until the situation is resolved.

23 posted on 10/29/2012 7:24:45 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: raptor22
it was at the urging of White House adviser Valerie Jarrett that President Obama canceled the operation to kill Osama bin Laden three times before finally approving the May 2, 2011, Navy SEAL mission.

My @$$ he ever approved that mission. Show us the orders if he did.

24 posted on 10/29/2012 7:36:35 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: butterdezillion

I, too, believe at least one of the Predators was armed. I believe that VERY strongly aaaand I want know WHO ordered our guys to release to the Libyans the three attackers whom we captured.


25 posted on 10/29/2012 8:26:01 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: TigersEye
There are three scandals here...

One huge act of Treason with multiple elements, including arming, supplying intelligence, and classified documents to the enemy, all of which aids and abets.

26 posted on 10/29/2012 8:37:06 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: raptor22

We’ll find out who gave the “Stand down” order right after we find out who hired Craig Livingstone and what documents Sandy Burgler stole.


27 posted on 10/29/2012 8:39:10 PM PDT by Roccus
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28 posted on 10/29/2012 8:59:10 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: BerryDingle
...all of which aids and abets.

That it does in a major way.

29 posted on 10/29/2012 9:17:40 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Carry_Okie

Had he done so there would be major network news coverage of the dramatic and heroic rescue operation ‘The Won sent in’ to save the lives of 41 Americans in a besieged diplomatic station. It would be replayed several times a day to remind us what a super hero Ramboesque warrior he is.


30 posted on 10/29/2012 9:25:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye
Had he done so there would be major network news coverage of the dramatic and heroic rescue operation ‘The Won sent in’ to save the lives of 41 Americans in a besieged diplomatic station.

Which means he had to have a very good reason (or more than one) not to do it.

31 posted on 10/29/2012 9:47:11 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Fear and stupidity could be one reason and not at all unbelievable. But the other possibilities are believable too. None are really mutually exclusive either. His narcissism would kind of wrap around all of them pretty neatly giving them a reason to be his choices.


32 posted on 10/29/2012 9:53:29 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye
He has to win or the book is open.

We'd better watch him carefully that he doesn't move to take advantage of Sandy.

33 posted on 10/29/2012 9:58:29 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Not a lot we can do about that. He could sit on his butt and do nothing and the MSM will say 'he is an amazing emergency response coordinator.'

I told a friend in NJ that the biggest danger they were facing was if 0bama decided to help them.

34 posted on 10/29/2012 10:09:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye
Not a lot we can do about that.

I was thinking of ballot boxes floating downriver, or files "lost" in power outages. The situation is absolutely conducive to mischief.

35 posted on 10/29/2012 10:22:02 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: butterdezillion
They didn't trust an expert? Do you have a link?

panetta said that he didn't authorize military action because he didn't have a clear picture. He had real time video and voice communication. What did he need?

By his rationale Washington wouldn't have crossed the Delaware, D Day, Inchon, none of it.

36 posted on 10/30/2012 12:26:04 AM PDT by Eagles6 (DNC 2012 Convention: Celebrating infanticide and sodomy. Denying God.What could possibly go wrong?)
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To: raptor22

I don’t believe there’s any mystery about the stand down order. Just becuz the traitor or his accomplices don’t admit it doesn’t mean people can’t see the truth.


37 posted on 10/30/2012 12:28:47 AM PDT by uncitizen (Arrest The Traitor Today!)
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To: raptor22

If this were any other person or any other crime, there would be no doubt that there is probable cause to arrest the traitor. It is obvious that he is the person who originated the stand down order.

He should be in custody behind bars already! What is the hold up ??!!


38 posted on 10/30/2012 12:31:15 AM PDT by uncitizen (Arrest The Traitor Today!)
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To: raptor22

Who DIDN’T order the Code Red?


39 posted on 10/30/2012 12:45:55 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: TigersEye
0bama Is A Deserter!

He voted, "NOT Present!"

Now, it's our turn to vote, "NOT President!"

40 posted on 10/30/2012 2:16:54 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: ApplegateRanch
Mom and I will be dropping off our ballots today.

Good riddance to that commie crypto-muslim trash.

41 posted on 10/30/2012 9:30:00 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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