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Cardinal Dolan Implies That Obama Lied to Him
Courageous Priest ^ | October 29, 2012 | Cardinal Timothy Dolan

Posted on 10/29/2012 11:47:43 PM PDT by Slyfox

Over the last six months or so, the Catholic Church in the United States has found itself in some tension with the executive branch of the federal government over a very grave issue: religious freedom. Can a government bureau, in this case the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), define for us or any faith community what is ministry and how it can be exercised? Can government also coerce the church to violate its conscience?

Obama had personally assured me that he would do nothing to impede the good work of the Church in health care, education, and charity, and that he considered the protection of conscience a sacred duty This has not been a fight of our choosing. We’d rather not be in it. We’d prefer to concentrate on the noble tasks of healing the sick, teaching our youth, and helping the poor, all now in jeopardy due to this bureaucratic intrusion into the internal life of the church. And we were doing all of those noble works rather well, I dare say, without these radical new mandates from the government. The Catholic Church in America has a long tradition of partnership with government and the wider community in the service of the sick, our children, our elders, and the poor at home and abroad. We’d sure rather be partnering than punching.

(Excerpt) Read more at courageouspriest.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: contraceptivemandate; dolan; obama; obamacare; religiousfreedom

1 posted on 10/29/2012 11:47:49 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Slyfox
Zero doesn’t tell the truth every hour.
2 posted on 10/29/2012 11:57:02 PM PDT by Domangart
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To: Slyfox

The “trust” game played by political figures. Sadly, the public won’t have it any other way.

I know your heart is in the right place, Dolan. Make it right.


3 posted on 10/30/2012 12:03:39 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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The “trust” game played by political figures. Sadly, the public won’t have it any other way.

I know your heart is in the right place, Dolan. Make it right.


4 posted on 10/30/2012 12:05:20 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Slyfox

Is the cardinal an American?
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If so, then 0bama lied to him.


5 posted on 10/30/2012 12:11:58 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: Slyfox

Another good man gets burned by the pathological liar in chief.


6 posted on 10/30/2012 12:29:23 AM PDT by Best and Brightest (So many, many top secrets guarded about the POTUS Obama. The truth is long overdue.)
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To: Slyfox

Odumbo is a pathological liar.

Liars lie. Easy concept, isn’t it, Cardinal?


7 posted on 10/30/2012 12:30:01 AM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Slyfox

My comment on the website:

Your Eminence,

You are dealing with the trees. Consider the forest.

I ask that you consider the possibility that this entire problem is not the result of the president going back on his word concerning an exemption for the protection of conscience, but rather from granting to the government in the first place the overwhelming power to dictate to businesses, organizations, and to individual American citizens specific health insurance requirements.

I pray that this experience will prod the Catholic hierarchy to reconsider your long held assumption that statism is an effective tool for Christian charity. I hope that it is now evident to you that once you invite the monster into the room, you cannot expect it to behave.

In Christ,
Jeff


8 posted on 10/30/2012 12:31:18 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Soebarkah Soetoro)
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To: Slyfox
Good grief. Has this man been deaf dumb and blind all his life. Now let US consider the busy hands in creating Obama’s health care. Teddy Kennedy, Bart Stupack, Nancy Pelouise, Kathleen Sebelius, former governor of Kansas, Joe Biden, Supreme Court Justice Roberts immediately come to mind. Anybody see a pattern.
9 posted on 10/30/2012 12:37:37 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: Slyfox

10 posted on 10/30/2012 1:53:02 AM PDT by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: jtal

I hear its OK for moslems to lie to further their agenda...


11 posted on 10/30/2012 3:10:57 AM PDT by chadwimc (Proud to be an infidel ! Allah fubar !!!)
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To: Slyfox

I love Cardinal Dolan, but it seems to me that he is dancing around the subject here. What is it that Mozart’s patron said to him in the movie, Amadeus? “Too many notes.”

Well, Cadinal, respectfully, you are using too many words. You are famous for being straight forward and succinct. Rely on that ability now and just say it:

Obama lied.
Can Catholic schools, hospitals, & charities survive?
The verdict is still out.


12 posted on 10/30/2012 3:20:14 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Slyfox

Funny that the website is called “Courageous Priest”. This weak questioning of an oppressive government is hardly courageous, Cardinal Dolan.


13 posted on 10/30/2012 4:01:50 AM PDT by arasina (Communism is EVIL. So there.)
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To: Slyfox

Cardinal Dolan....He DID lie to you!!! NEVER lay down with DOGS (Democrats) ...they LIE!


14 posted on 10/30/2012 4:03:17 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: arasina

Well, never in my 65 years of going to Mass have I ever heard any politics talked about...also in the bulletins every week, all about Freedom of Religion......they WOKE up!!


15 posted on 10/30/2012 4:06:41 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Slyfox
Cardinal Dolan, don't feel that you've been singled out by President Obama in any lies he may have told. Obama lies whenever his lips are moving. It's just what he does. The last time he lied about things, four Americans, including our ambassador to Libya died in a 7 hour terrorist attack that he was watching unfold in real time. Then he came out and he and his toadies lied to the American people for two solid weeks.
16 posted on 10/30/2012 4:21:53 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Just mythoughts

And don’t forget Tom Daschle. Isn’t he the one who wrote that the only way a healthcare bill would be passed would be to force it through quickly- before people had a chance to read it, realize what was in it and vote against it.


17 posted on 10/30/2012 4:46:29 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Slyfox
The Catholic Church in America has a long tradition of partnership with government and the wider community in the service of the sick, our children, our elders, and the poor at home and abroad. We’d sure rather be partnering than punching.

Well, there's your problem, jack@ss. You've climbed into bed with Caesar, only to find that he's hell-bent on imposing an agenda of radical secularism on you and everyone else who has ever "trusted" him.

Thirty pieces of silver will do it every time. I hope it was worth it.

18 posted on 10/30/2012 5:08:13 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Slyfox

Cardinal Dolan,

Obama doesn’t want YOUR CHARITIES, or anybody else’s, competing with HIS government VOTE BUYING programs!!


19 posted on 10/30/2012 5:11:13 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Spendid statement, Mr. Chandler. May it make straight passage from your keyboard to the minds of Cardinal Dolan and the often obtuse U.S. counsel of bishops.
20 posted on 10/30/2012 5:14:03 AM PDT by irish_links
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To: Ann Archy
I'd hardly consider it a "lie" when tens of millions of people who viewed ObamaCare objectively knew damn well what the truth was.

Obama didn't lie to Dolan at all. He simply told Dolan what he wanted to hear, and Dolan was content to use this "cover" to rationalize a cozy -- and unhealthy -- business relationship between Catholic organizations and government agencies that provides these organizations billions of dollars in financial support.

This is why so many faithful Catholics have walked away from their modernist hierarchy.

21 posted on 10/30/2012 5:14:43 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Slyfox

Obama tells you what you want to hear and then does what he wants to do.

Many people are not able to recognize such weasels. You would think after watching obama in action for four years, the Cardinal and his people would know you have to pin obama down, get it in writing, have the attorneys go over it, send out a press release, make him read a statement on TV, etc.

And, even then, he’ll find a loophole that he carefully installed and no one caught. He’s a professional agitator and he knows his work.

The way to deal with this problem is the ballot. Then, clean house. Get ALL of his people out. Clean out every remnant. Get rid of the Clinton people Bush let hang around. Fumigate. Start fresh. Get people working on all the zillions of obama regulations. Remove the ability of Departments to legislate. Start with the EPA.

Use education. Clearly tell the people what the constitutional problems are, tell them how they can be remedied, then do it. Fast and Furious. Use the “overload the system” tactics they used on the Constitution and the economy, but use it on the MSM so there are so many stories going on they can’t cover them all. Shock and awe.


22 posted on 10/30/2012 6:17:58 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: G Larry

“Obama doesn’t want YOUR CHARITIES, or anybody else’s, competing with HIS government VOTE BUYING programs!!”................

You said it so well, it is worth repeating. Religious charity programs are competitors to the government programs which in turn, make for more Democrat voters.


23 posted on 10/30/2012 7:01:55 AM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: Gene Eric

Americans should know better than to trust “the government” with total power over their bodies via health care. The government is a machine; it has lacks brain, soul and heart needed to comprehend love, justice, wisdom and to keep promises.

That is why our founders gave us a weak central government that lacks the structural and legal ability to take such total power over our minds and bodies.

Disrespect for that wisdom of the founding ideals and constitutional construction of our country, in the name of wealth transfer for “social justice”, has ruined this country and it’s people. The downfall of religious freedom is tied directly to the church’s disrespect for the founding ideology of this nation in exchange for the “equal” poverty and oppression of socialism.

Couldn’t have the church bought a clue when they saw what the government did in taking over University education via student, grant and contract funding? All the Catholic universities have been culturally cleansed and brain washed by the socialists who control of the money.


24 posted on 10/30/2012 8:23:15 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Ann Archy
Well, never in my 65 years of going to Mass have I ever heard any politics talked about...

Not even in 1973 after Roe v. Wade?

25 posted on 10/30/2012 8:33:39 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I really don’t remember any.


26 posted on 10/30/2012 9:36:56 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: SaraJohnson

Well said.

The Catholic Church has yet to understand the value of the Constitution.


27 posted on 10/30/2012 9:26:21 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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