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Hundreds evacuated after US levee breaks; people on roofs awaiting rescue
AP via Yahoo News ^ | 10/30/12

Posted on 10/30/2012 4:42:33 AM PDT by Kartographer

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To: emax
You raise some good points and succinctly summarize the fears of many, both here and outside FR, of Ødious' re-election.

Having said that, it still behooves us to avoid the temptation to form up into circular FR firing squads.
We're basically all on the same team here, and armies generally do much better when not fighting amongst themselves.
I simply maintain that the ego-stroking naysaying recently evident, regardless of motivations, does nothing but cause dissension among the troops.

I'm as apprehensive as the next guy/gal of the opportunities for further fraud that Sandy's presence may have introduced.
But a measure of calm and conditional empathy will not only help keep us focused as individuals on the imperative of deposing Ødious, but also present a more inviting 'face' to any visitors here looking for kindred spirits.

Job one is to keep our powder dry and our muzzles aimed down range at deposing this marxist muslim traitor.
Self-righteous tantrums and expending said powder on each other in here are not conducive mission success.

/.02

(gawd, more coffee, stat)

201 posted on 10/31/2012 4:52:14 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: tomkat
Job one is to keep our powder dry and our muzzles aimed down range at deposing this marxist muslim traitor. Self-righteous tantrums and expending said powder on each other in here are not conducive mission success.

Good advice that I am going to take even though it is sometimes difficult.

202 posted on 10/31/2012 6:02:03 AM PDT by arasina (Communism is EVIL. So there.)
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To: arasina
Hope I can too !

Take my advice .. I'm not using it

LOL   ;-)

203 posted on 10/31/2012 7:06:39 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: a real Sheila

Waiting on the government to help them out of their dumb decision of not evacuating.


204 posted on 10/31/2012 7:58:27 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: toldyou

IT WAS STILL OVERHYPED !!!

It was a Cat 1 hurricane. It was not a ‘SuperStorm’.

A Cat 5 hurricane such as Katrina or Rite were ‘SuperStorms’.


“It was overhyped.It is still being overhyped.”

“I live in NJ. People are dead and homes and businesses are completely destroyed. Not overhyped!”


205 posted on 10/31/2012 7:59:15 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: a real Sheila

Waiting on the government to help them out of their dumb decision of not evacuating.


206 posted on 10/31/2012 7:59:16 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: Cvengr

The Press is prone to hyper-ventilating.

For Ivan (Cat 5 that went into Miss the year before Katrina), I knew that New Orleans was ok (was evacuated to Monroe) because all the Press could show on TV was a flooding public restroom that was on the water side of the Levee.

For Andrew, the Press reported LaPlace as being ‘wiped out’. Sure enough, there were about 45 homes in LaPlace/Reserve that had been wiped out by a tornado. But once you got past the tornado area, there was minimal damage. My house about 5 miles away was not even damaged.

For Katrina - no damage.

But for Isaac - we flooded. So after all these years of living on the Gulf Coast, mother nature finally spanked me.

Now my daughter got flooded out by Katrina and Isaac. I have made a mental note to not be anywhere near her on the seventh anniversary of Isaac and the fourteenth anniversary of Katrina.


207 posted on 10/31/2012 8:10:04 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: hummingbird
My brother lives slightly north of Houston and he knew backroads to take and got out in record time.

A friend of mine lives just South of Houston and tried to evacuate. After about 6 hours on the road they had only made it 20 miles North. They gave up and headed back home to ride it out rather then being stranded on the highway.

208 posted on 10/31/2012 8:37:38 AM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Please get a few things through your head:

a) “Category” refers ONLY to wind speed in the said storm, not anything else - not pressure, not width and breadth, not movement speed, nothing. It is very simplistic.

b) “Superstorm” does NOT refer to the “hurricane” by itself, per se. It was used to describe the tropical cyclone mixed with the front from the west.

This dismissive attitude it irritating.

Look up Agnes. That was what I feared here. A “minor” storm by doctrinairs like yourself, but so huge in impact over a HUGE area, not just a few hundred miles of coastline. It was certainly major in scope, if not as much in scale as Katrina. Which wasn’t as major in scope. Except for the fact apparently massive permanent residency changes were made.


209 posted on 10/31/2012 9:10:24 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Venturer
" We were lucky to escape with our lives, but all of my guns and ammunition were destroyed."

HA! But the ducks were ok, right?!

210 posted on 10/31/2012 9:36:00 AM PDT by hummingbird (Obama campaigns right in our faces. Doesn't bother him at all, does it?)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Sounds like lower manhattan may be in bad shape.

http://gothamist.com/2012/10/31/outrage_in_the_powerless_zone_a_dis.php

Blog describes no food, no red cross, no FEMA. Oh, and no flushing toilets.


211 posted on 10/31/2012 9:39:14 AM PDT by gulf1609
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To: MD Expat in PA

One must presume the roof sitters were waiting on “Snooki” to rescue them. :)


212 posted on 10/31/2012 11:09:53 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: MD Expat in PA

One must presume the roof sitters were waiting on “Snooki” to rescue them. :)


213 posted on 10/31/2012 11:10:33 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: emax

The root problem is people simply thinking this is just a joke of a storm that is being hyped up on purpose because of where news centers are.

As if no other storm/problem was hyped.

And often it’s a competition with them: “my storm is worse than yours”.

How childish.


214 posted on 10/31/2012 11:21:10 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Ditto
"A friend of mine lives just South of Houston and tried to evacuate. After about 6 hours on the road they had only made it 20 miles North. They gave up and headed back home to ride it out rather then being stranded on the highway."

I think they have learned how to help people evacuate. Have gasoline available at different intervals on the highways for people who run out of fuel. Same with bathroom stops - portables. Some snacks or easy to eat food to help with the little kiddies have no idea its hot, nothing is on at home, everybody is driving, AND WHERE ARE WE GOING? I also think they are going to reinforce when people should leave by their zip code zones. If you in direct path and are in the zip, you go first. As zones are cleared, more zones are let to go for evacuation.

I think these few things will really help to help people evacuate in the future - should help freeways (are backroads!) to clear more easily.

But, every storm is different. There are always unintended events.

215 posted on 10/31/2012 11:26:01 AM PDT by hummingbird (Obama campaigns right in our faces. Doesn't bother him at all, does it?)
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To: tomkat

Yes, 2 weeks prep for an emergency, gathering at usual grocery shopping.
And filling the car gas tank when half empty.

But we know - - -
We can suggest, urge, slightly frighten, and still many prefer to think “it’s not going to happen. . .”
Often they’re right, however, well, once it happens to them, or a relative - - -


216 posted on 10/31/2012 12:37:38 PM PDT by USARightSide (S U P P O R T I N G OUR T R O O P S)
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To: tomkat; usafa92

That is fair enough. But it is still deeply unfortunate that we are seeing Christie praise Obama for his relief efforts. It doesn’t matter that it is what expected, I still wish like hell Christie would have just stayed silent. Now people think that Romney would have just let the people on the east corridor die and waste away in the absence of FEMA and for all we know that all by itself could be enough to cost him the whole election.


217 posted on 10/31/2012 7:47:44 PM PDT by emax
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To: emax
Of course it's only my opinion, but I think you're being unduly pessimistic.

Yes, better that CC wasn't seen to be such a groveling turd.
But at the end of the day, most of the rest of the country is only mildly (w/o meaning to be callous) interested in and/or aware of the 'big storm' that hit the East.

With the vast majority of the nation, it's still almost ENTIRELY about the economy/unemployment/uncontrolled debt/health care costs.

I'm sticking with my prediction of weeks ago that it's R/R 300+, including my adopted state of Pennsylvania.


             

218 posted on 10/31/2012 7:59:54 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: GeronL

Preppers are labled white militia groups by the liberal msm and their supporters. My take on this is “ To survive one must be prepared for all situations.
I am glad I am a prepper for, I love God, family and Country.


219 posted on 11/02/2012 3:49:38 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: theDentist

That is part of the BLT(Black Liberation Theology) mindset as to what occurred during Katrina in NOLO the 9th ward. It as simply anti- white racist propaganda form calypso louie and his fruit-bars of Isthem.:)


220 posted on 11/02/2012 3:55:13 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: wideawake

I guess the Sky is Falling in Jurzee, no Snooki tonight on TV. Quit crying like a bunch of losers, manup/womanup and get back on the good foot.


221 posted on 11/02/2012 3:58:24 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: Venturer

Do they let the sheeple own guns in ny and jurzee?? guns only cause crimes and no one should have one.(Except the criminals)


222 posted on 11/02/2012 4:00:51 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: Mom MD

Sure will, all union controlled with the majority of the money going in the crooks back pocket.


223 posted on 11/02/2012 4:02:53 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: GeronL

Bloomy toony should also pass out free bath-salts. :)


224 posted on 11/02/2012 4:08:09 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: GeronL

Welfare state it is, and dumb enough to vote in shrillary, scumer and bloomy tune into office. Time for another economic bailout like in the early seventies.


225 posted on 11/02/2012 4:10:54 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: First_Salute

Excellent Post Sir.


226 posted on 11/02/2012 4:14:07 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: No Surrender No Retreat
I guess the Sky is Falling in Jurzee, no Snooki tonight on TV. Quit crying like a bunch of losers, manup/womanup and get back on the good foot.

Says the guy who'd probably be turning tricks for Snickers bars at a bus station by now if he lived at the Shore.

227 posted on 11/02/2012 4:54:04 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: No Surrender No Retreat; StAnDeliver; the OlLine Rebel; wideawake; Kartographer
It's kind of frustrating again, to see NJ/NY unions calling the shots.

After Sept. 11, 2001, unions flexed the muscle between their ears and just like that, volunteers were turned away from NYC - particularly non-union volunteers. When altogether, it was/is *our* fight, not something that is "an event production" for the politico-producers to pick and choose which unions and bench warmers will be in the cast.

Now, just like the days and weeks after 9-11, we find that a different and extremely-"liberal" mayor of NYC wants to have his marathon, about which Forbes has a column that instead, the race should be canceled; but the mayor needs volunteers.

Unfortunately, the unions are already rejecting non-union volunteer utility repair crews, so what the mayor apparently wants is *union volunteers,* because certainly he would not ban non-union utility repair crews but allow non-union volunteers for his marathon?!

It all begs the question - hypothetically speaking, of course:

If NYC was inundated by a surge of the ocean, caused by a hurricane, and all around the city, across all the bridges, there were 2 - 5 miles of non-union volunteers backed up at the bridges, with everything that the residents of the damaged areas need --- just compile their wish lists this very moment and add police and fire rescue and utility repair and medical help --- would the "enlightened liberals" and "working unions" of the city, please permit all those non-union volunteers ... to help?

Unfortunately, it turns out again, that the leftists are more afraid of losing control and power over what *they* want politically, than they are afraid of their neighbors being barred from the many things of need.

228 posted on 11/02/2012 7:43:49 AM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: First_Salute
(1) Holding the marathon is a slap in the face to people who are suffering without food or clean water less than two miles away from the race's starting line.

Volunteers will be handing out bottled water and power bars to runners who are warming themselves in heated tents powered by generators running on scarce gasoline, while people in actual need are left empty handed.

(2) This whole anti-gouging nonsense in NJ is obviously stupid and illogical and is causing shortages and public safety issues. Let the market work.

(3) Bloomberg and Cuomo are crowing about global warming and endorsing Obama over imaginary global warming when there is actual work they should be doing.

(4) Unions are a cancer. They delayed 9/11 relief efforts and they are holding up rebuilding in NJ and NY. Unions are a legalized form of organized crime and they should be held accountable now and especially when this is all over.

229 posted on 11/02/2012 7:59:16 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: First_Salute

Unions (AKA communists) and their ilk in powerful positions are what create these problems. I’m sure if regular victims were in earshot of any of this garbage, they’d be ripping a new 1 on the “union” thugs. Regardless of their political affiliation. (Unfortunately, many people cover their eyes and ears to what their political affiliation and their voting means in the real world.)


230 posted on 11/02/2012 8:04:16 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: wideawake

No that job is reserved for your wife and mother who made it a professional career. STFU you dumb yankees scum sucker!


231 posted on 11/02/2012 1:35:23 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: No Surrender No Retreat
I hope no one hits the abuse button on this one.

I want it to stand, as it epitomizes your essence and confirms my earlier assessment.

232 posted on 11/02/2012 1:39:22 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Never expect an intelligent decision when you have a liberal in office. Now the blood monkeys are fighting over gas and line breaking. My, what century are those astute yorkers and jurzeettes living in? the (7th)


233 posted on 11/02/2012 1:42:12 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: wideawake

Your earlier comments concerning turning tricks speaks marvels for your intellect. So be a good liberal and go cry to your wife or domestic partner which ever one applies. :)


234 posted on 11/02/2012 1:46:31 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I don’t give a crap what “category” it was. I never ever discussed category, extent, etc.

You said it was “overhyped.” I said it wasn’t! There is major destruction to property and land and deaths up and down the Jersey coast and in New York.

Also, it has nothing to do with those who evacuated and those who did not. Thousands of people who evacuated are safe but have no home now. Those with or without homes have been displaced because they are not permitted to return to their property. Children have no schools, and repairs to gas and electric lines might take 6-8 months. That’s the latest word.

Again...it was not overhyped!


235 posted on 11/05/2012 7:46:10 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: toldyou

Uhm....to whom do you think you’re typing?


236 posted on 11/06/2012 6:13:25 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

“Uhm....to whom do you think you’re typing?”

Uhm....the wrong person. I apologize.


237 posted on 11/07/2012 5:47:29 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas.)
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