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Hundreds evacuated after US levee breaks; people on roofs awaiting rescue
AP via Yahoo News ^ | 10/30/12

Posted on 10/30/2012 4:42:33 AM PDT by Kartographer

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To: LibertyRocks
"It’s not JUST RAIN"

TV says there are also blizzard conditions in some areas!

Not just rain; not just snow. Devastating.

51 posted on 10/30/2012 6:04:53 AM PDT by hummingbird (Obama campaigns right in our faces. Doesn't bother him at all, does it?)
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To: AD from SpringBay

That show was already cancelled thank goodness


52 posted on 10/30/2012 6:07:20 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: a real Sheila
Depends on where you are located.

In a lot of cases you're better off staying where you are.

If you flee inland you don't know where the storm is headed, the storm can follow your path of flight so you have to stay ahead of the storm.

Small town don't have the infrastructure to handle the flood of people. Food, fuel, and shelter simply don't exist for all the people.

You may be inconvenienced but in most cases it's safer to let the storm pass over you than try to flee before it.

You are right about the traffic. With the massive number of people on the road you will not outrun the storm if you are in it's path.

People in an area that floods need to get out and go to an area that doesn't, but everyone trying to flee the storms path would result in more deaths.

53 posted on 10/30/2012 6:09:27 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Jeff Head; Kartographer; All

The problem, as I see it, is not so much that the levees didn’t get upgraded.

The problem is the whole “benevolent dictator” thing. As has been well said, a government powerful enough to give you everything you need is certainly powerful enough to take it away.

And by me saying that, I’m not necessarily dinging even the government. People get the government they elect.

If the people want to end up being little more than sharecroppers living in a shack, they will depend on government. Any time they need something, their first reaction will be to ask government for it.

And the people then become lame. They can’t think for themselves. They can’t build for themselves. They can’t feed or heal themselves. They are out of ideas and motivation.

A people so inclined are not easily conquered, they are already conquered!


54 posted on 10/30/2012 6:10:04 AM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: wideawake

I have perspective just fine.

The national media is super-saturated with the perspective, opinions and toe-stubbings of this group of people.

They don’t seem to understand just how weary the rest of us are of them.

They don’t matter to us... because we don’t matter to them.


55 posted on 10/30/2012 6:11:16 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: GeronL
"I haven't seen that"

Again I don't know rather to laugh or cry.
56 posted on 10/30/2012 6:12:46 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
Correct. Both FR and DU have their little kernel of silly folk who, depending on who is president, will pooh-pooh everything as if the world is some big Dem-Repub game of checkers. We laughed at the silly DUmmies who, in their Bush derangement obsessions, claimed that somehow President Bush was manipulating weather patterns. Well, we saw our own kind say surprisingly similar stuff. (Not to mention the 'judgement from God' types ....I guess God smites every president since a powerful hurricane has hit at least once in every presidency. I guess God hated Bush more than Obama, if I was to use that silly 'logic' and compare Katrina to Sandy).

Hurricanes happen. In good presidencies and bad presidencies. To good people and bad people. Rain falls on the just and the guilty. Oh, and hurricane creation technology is out of the grasp of both pubbies and dummies.

Simple rule of thumb - in the face of a hurricane/tornado/wildfire etc, which unlike earthquakes can be mapped out in advance to some degree of accuracy, get out of town early. Even a 'hyped' hurricane can still mess up your year in a spectacular manner.

57 posted on 10/30/2012 6:13:57 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Jeff Head

So which is worse, sticking your head in the sand and denying that a event even happen or lying about the handling of the event?


58 posted on 10/30/2012 6:16:26 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: cuban leaf
Anything else I’m missing?

Well, there is this place called the Jersey Shore with a lot of valuable real estate that got flooded. Likewise with a place called Long Island. But we all know how cheap real estate is in NYC, so it can't cost that much when a large part of the city gets flooded. Dittoes when the subways flood and five million people now can't get to work for at least a week.

59 posted on 10/30/2012 6:18:27 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: a real Sheila
“WHY does this scene play out during every hurriane?
WHY don’t folks evacuate?
Is it because of the traffic?”

I live in League City, TX. We evacuated for both Rita and Ike. In both cases my house took ZERO damage. (Well, not really. I broke a window putting up unneeded boards to protect the windows.)

We came back as soon as possible afterward, and it is a good thing we did. Power was out in my house for a week after we returned following Ike, and if we had not returned when we did, there would have been damage due to the lack of power. (Mainly due to thawing food in the appliances, but there was some other stuff, too.)

We got out early in Ike, and that was a good thing, because friends that left two hours after we did spent a day on the road due to morons in Houston evacuating and jamming the evacuation routes. I call these folks morons because their homes were in no danger of flooding (the real danger in a hurricane) and all they risked by staying was a little discomfort. Meanwhile people in the city of Galveston or Texas City — who were in peril if they remained — could not get out and risked getting caught in their cars trying to evacuate.

As it was, due to boneheaded policies by the City of Galveston following Ike, everyone who evacuated suffered substantial damage to their properties because they were not allowed to return in a timely manner. Those that ignored the orders were able to repair their homes and minimized damage. (Mind, there were areas of Galveston that did not flood, especially behind the seawall.)

Given that, how many of those who did evacuate following Ike are likely to evacuate next time - especially if their homes withstood Ike? I don't think that would be particularly smart, but I understand those who choose to stay.

As for me, I plan to leave any time the predicted storm surge comes within two feet of the elevation of my house, and remain otherwise. You are safer in a well-built home (mine is) than in a car evacuating, so long as your house does not flood.

Having ridden out four hurricanes in Houston (and evacuated for four others), I realize what a lot of newcomers do not — hurricanes are not atomic bombs. The damage they do is limited to coastal flooding and tornadoes — and you can get tornadoes well inland. (A shelter in Austin, TX that my wife and I fled to during one evacuation had its roof ripped off by a hurricane-spawned tornado. We would have been safer staying in Houston.)

Is riding though a hurricane uncomfortable? Yup. But riding it out — if your house does not flood — is safer than evacuating, with its attendant risks of accident or getting trapped on the road.

60 posted on 10/30/2012 6:20:16 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (Ten years on FreeRepublic and counting.)
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To: Kartographer

I had to self-censor myself, didn’t feel like getting a time-out.


61 posted on 10/30/2012 6:21:58 AM PDT by Betis70 ("Leading from Behind" gets your Ambassador killed)
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To: Wallace T.

You do realize that the entire Jersey Shore with all of its real estate got flooded? And much of NYC and Long Island as well? This wasn’t just a few homes.


62 posted on 10/30/2012 6:23:57 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Moose4

Not to mention the huge loss of power for millions of people including a million customers without electricity on Long Island alone. That is 80 percent of the customer base.

http://www.newsday.com/news/weather/sandy-leaves-nearly-a-million-lipa-customers-without-power-1.4165032?qr=1


63 posted on 10/30/2012 6:23:57 AM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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To: cuban leaf

What I found interesting is that on FNC they had a graphic with the words “16 Americans” killed as a result of Hurricane Sandy. Americans in America, whodathunkit.


64 posted on 10/30/2012 6:25:39 AM PDT by arasina (Communism is EVIL. So there.)
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To: GeronL

For one thing, you evidently didn’t follow these threads very closely and secondly and no offence to you folks in states like KY but the entire population of the state of KY is around 4.3 million. The population of NYC alone is around 8.2 million.


65 posted on 10/30/2012 6:26:03 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: MD Expat in PA
I could not believe those threads and some of those posters; they are pretty much silent now.

It's hard to post when your computer is under water.

66 posted on 10/30/2012 6:26:08 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Willie Stark for president.)
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To: Kartographer

Area preppers experience will be invaluable as a learning tool vs those who wait for Mayor Nanny to save them


67 posted on 10/30/2012 6:29:39 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Venturer
"Would you rather sit in your home where you have a generator, a tractor,a chain saw, your own supply of food and water, you are above the flood plain,or go to a shelter and place yourself at the mercy of the Government with a pack of strangers in a school building that was probably built by a low bidder?"

There are also looters. People will hunker down at home for this reason.

68 posted on 10/30/2012 6:29:45 AM PDT by hummingbird (Obama campaigns right in our faces. Doesn't bother him at all, does it?)
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To: cuban leaf
Wow. You are deeply clueless. Millions of people have been evacuated. Several communities likely wiped out. Thousands of homes destroyed. Tens of billions of property damages. Something like 5-7% of the US population missing a week of work (in other words billions of GDP lost).

No one around here belittled the devastating Colorado fires.

Bunch of nasty morons on this thread.

69 posted on 10/30/2012 6:29:50 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Kartographer; GeronL
"I haven't seen that"

Willful ignorance and wearing blinders do not support an untruth. Others (myself included) have witnessed what Kartographer described.

70 posted on 10/30/2012 6:37:17 AM PDT by arasina (Communism is EVIL. So there.)
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To: a real Sheila
WHY don’t folks evacuate?

It could be because of economic reasons. Can they afford to stay at hotels? Or because home feels safe (even when it isn't). Or because inaction is the path of least resistance.

It makes sense to evacuate if you live in a flood zone. Someone made the point that water always wins. I agree.

71 posted on 10/30/2012 6:38:02 AM PDT by convocation
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To: GnL
"Barry hates white people."

Sandy hates white people. It is the Earth rebelling against the white folk.

Gore says the Earth has a fever. Maybe that is reason for Sandy's wrath.

Gore.....HA....Loon. Sex Crazed Poodle.

72 posted on 10/30/2012 6:38:55 AM PDT by hummingbird (Obama campaigns right in our faces. Doesn't bother him at all, does it?)
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To: Kartographer

http://www.my9tv.com/category/241605/live-video


73 posted on 10/30/2012 6:42:36 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: hummingbird

Enough rain, coming in sideways for long enough and it will eat the mortar from between bricks, cause foundations to settle, resulting in cracked walls. Add high winds and it is very damaging to structures, infrastructure and big trees. We had it here in 2007 (IIRC) with hours/days of torrential rain training up from the Gulf. Our little river was a brown raging torrent for several days. It changed course and trees came down for several days afterward. In the aftermath, we found damage we hadn’t conceived of before, but, luckily, it was fixable.

I’d rather have a snow blizzard than a heavy rain train. Add that even fresh water spray from a large lake or river will cause damage, over time,I can only imagine what high wind-driven salt spray can do. I’ve been told it will peel paint.

The river towns along the Mississippi are all on bluffs, with retaining walls behind the buildings. After a prolonged saturating rain, many of those walls can be breached or overrun by mud and downed trees.


74 posted on 10/30/2012 6:49:42 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: HereInTheHeartland

The damage is terrible and I pray for those who lost their homes. The only bright side is there will be a boost to the economy as people begin to rebuild. It will require building supplies and lots of labor (jobs). Buy stock in home depot!


75 posted on 10/30/2012 6:50:03 AM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: Doogle
Hi, Doogle : Google Earth...how does that work? Can you see live? Does it view like they have on tv?

TIA!

76 posted on 10/30/2012 6:51:32 AM PDT by hummingbird (Obama campaigns right in our faces. Doesn't bother him at all, does it?)
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To: MD Expat in PA

“Maybe because like so many of the ‘experts’ on FR they decided that the storm was fake?”

I could not believe those threads and some of those posters; they are pretty much silent now.


Not to worry. They will crawl out of the woodwork again for the next storm with their “it’s all a fake and a commie plot” claims. And on the other side of the insanity coin, libs are claiming Sandy was caused by AGW.


77 posted on 10/30/2012 6:56:18 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Kartographer

Did Obama send Navy Divers to dynamite the levees?


78 posted on 10/30/2012 6:58:25 AM PDT by theDentist (FUBO; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: wideawake

It isn’t merely the devastating fires.

It is the high-handed way eastern liberals have dealt with westerners when we’ve protested the policies that LED to the Colorado fires... and the Nevada fires of ‘99, and the Wyoming fires, Montana fires, Idaho fires, etc.

Add to that the economic depravation of the eastern liberal war against:

Logging, grazing, coal mining, gold mining, oil drilling, gas drilling, etc, etc, etc.

The self-serving, unctuous twaddle that emanates from the east coast and the NYC region in particular, has been insufferable for the last 20 years.

As the Bible says:

“For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind...”

It appears as tho a whirlwind has arrived.


79 posted on 10/30/2012 6:59:39 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: Strategerist

“The media right now will be focusing on the most photogenic areas.”

Correction — they will focus on the most photogenic areas they can get to cheaply and easily.

I remember the 2004 tidal wave in the Indian Ocean — you would have thought the thing only hit Phuket — the upscale Thai resort island with international air connections where about 2500 were killed.

No one bothered to report from the whole west coast of India where 200,000 were killed.


80 posted on 10/30/2012 7:00:23 AM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: GlockThe Vote
"Coleman"

A wonderful line of products - camping and survival.

81 posted on 10/30/2012 7:00:44 AM PDT by hummingbird (Obama campaigns right in our faces. Doesn't bother him at all, does it?)
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To: hummingbird

nope....really don’t need earth...just put the coordinates in (copy and paste) and your get a small map..hit MAPS..and you’ll get the immediate location....all done on still maps...nothing live...used satellite option up in right hand corner


82 posted on 10/30/2012 7:02:05 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: theDentist

Why, it’s no big deal whats a trickle of water going to do?


83 posted on 10/30/2012 7:02:15 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: cuban leaf

I’ve got contacts in upstate ny...Binghamton area...which had horrible flooding two years ago...and contacts in central pa and Philly...my nephew in Philly is fine, no power loss, did lose cable last night, but he’s on his way to work....


84 posted on 10/30/2012 7:03:22 AM PDT by cherry
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To: NVDave

this is truely a natural disaster....more people impacted than the Nashville floods or the fires in Texas or other disasters...but people are EQUAL in value, and their property is just as important to them as anyone else’s....


85 posted on 10/30/2012 7:11:03 AM PDT by cherry
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To: MD Expat in PA
It seemed that most of the "experts" live in areas that would never be affected by a hurricane.

Those of us who are all too familiar with hurricanes weren't laughing but couldn't warn enough what was headed their way. Storm surges have to be experienced to understand, I guess. I live 70 miles inland from the GOM and have only had trees on my house and without power for 3 weeks...no surge.

We feel for those people. Our news reports have shown the hundreds of utility trucks ready and waiting to head that way.

86 posted on 10/30/2012 7:11:34 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Kartographer

I’m curious... why do Presidents send navy divers into hurricane waters to dynamite levees? No one ever explained.


87 posted on 10/30/2012 7:12:06 AM PDT by theDentist (FUBO; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Wallace T.

Any disaster in non-flyover country (the Northeast and Southern California) is overhyped by the MSM.


And since I don’t have tv, I don’t see that. :-)


88 posted on 10/30/2012 7:18:03 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: NVDave

A big factor, IMO, is that this one affected the personal territory of the media. They are reporting a personal disaster - not one somewhere “out there” where the little people live. Not to minimize the situation, as there are a lot of people going through a rough time. It’s only to say the reporters have a different perspective on this one.


89 posted on 10/30/2012 7:19:23 AM PDT by Helen
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To: hummingbird
this is the end of October....snow is not unexpected in higher elevations....I remember one Halloween night it was ZERO degrees outside...

this is a horrible storm but its not like ints unexpected to have storm surge...I know along some beaches in New Jersey, they build their houses on stilts....

but human behavior is certainly strange....anyone ever beeen to Atlantic City would know that they built all those tall Hotels/Casinos right on the water....its not hard to imagine how easily storm surge could be devastating...

along the Mississippi, people pack sand bags and line them up along the levee's....did they not think to do this in NYC?...

90 posted on 10/30/2012 7:19:54 AM PDT by cherry
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To: hummingbird

A very good point. I should have mentioned a source of protection such as a gun.

Unfortunately I lost ball of mine in the big duck hunting incident. LOL


91 posted on 10/30/2012 7:21:26 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: hummingbird

A very good point. I should have mentioned a source of protection such as a gun.

Unfortunately I lost all of mine in the big duck hunting incident. LOL


92 posted on 10/30/2012 7:21:35 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Water in the streets around Wall Street; probably thousands of homes damaged severely, a huge amount of the US population at an economic standstill.

It’s nothing really; I guess....


Yeah, if you don’t live near there, it’s not that much of a story. The loss of life (which can affect loved ones all over the country) seems to be really low, though every single death is a tragedy.

I’m in central KY, we got a whisp of the edge of the storm. No rain. The wind is whipping up pretty good, but it always does this time of year.

Sounds like the main problem is that there are just so many people locally affected. I will re-iterate that it also seems that the storm surge (similar to a tsunami) was the main culprit this time.


93 posted on 10/30/2012 7:21:38 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Kartographer

Just remember a few points, Kart:

First, this is the regime that gave us the phrase, “Never let a crisis go to waste”. This weather couldn’t have happened at a better time for Odinga, personally. It blew Benghazi off the networks for a few days.

The media meme is going to be “Obama cares about the storm victims, UNLIKE GEORGE W. BUSH!” It’s already started on CNN-Obama with the fake Latina Soledad O’brien. The drumbeat of Katrina comparisons will escalate as the days go on.

Sandy itself was at max a Cat 1 storm. The other weather events that ties into it produced the more widespread problems. But this whole thing will be fuel for the disaster porn that will pervade the media and stifle the political climate.


94 posted on 10/30/2012 7:31:25 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Old Sarge

I almost get the sense that people are getting a little euphoric high from the devastation...some are breathless talking about it....


95 posted on 10/30/2012 7:50:02 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Jeff Head

THANK YOU! You said it better than I could.


96 posted on 10/30/2012 7:52:16 AM PDT by madameguinot (Our Father's God to Thee, Author of Liberty)
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To: bmwcyle

Obamma did something~ He flew to Orlando and then flew back.


97 posted on 10/30/2012 8:06:55 AM PDT by jayrunner
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To: jayrunner

What to increase phony global warming?


98 posted on 10/30/2012 8:08:39 AM PDT by bmwcyle (45% to 47% of American voters are stupid)
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To: hummingbird

I have a Coleman canoe. Magnificant vessel!


99 posted on 10/30/2012 8:10:11 AM PDT by jayrunner
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To: cuban leaf
Even if you don't watch the MSM, our side of the media (talk shows and Fox) has strong Northeastern roots. O'Reilly and Hannity are native New Yorkers and current residents of the area. Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter are from Connecticut. Savage grew up in New York, and retains the accent and attitude. Limbaugh and Beck, while "flyover country" natives, built their careers in New York. Bennett is a NYC/DC hybrid. Buchanan is a DC native. I am not as familiar with the libertarian movement as with conservatives, but the largest think tank for that group, the Cato Institute, is DC based.

If we are ever to break the grip of the NYC-DC axis of evil and its Southern California outpost, we need leadership from south of the Potomac and west of the Alleghenies that stays put rather than migrates into the axis.

100 posted on 10/30/2012 8:17:18 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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