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NY Times: A Big Storm Requires Big Government
New York Times ^ | October 29, 2012

Posted on 10/30/2012 6:11:23 AM PDT by Zakeet

Most Americans have never heard of the National Response Coordination Center, but they’re lucky it exists on days of lethal winds and flood tides. The center is the war room of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, where officials gather to decide where rescuers should go, where drinking water should be shipped, and how to assist hospitals that have to evacuate.

Disaster coordination is one of the most vital functions of “big government,” which is why Mitt Romney wants to eliminate it. At a Republican primary debate last year, Mr. Romney was asked whether emergency management was a function that should be returned to the states. He not only agreed, he went further.

“Absolutely,” he said. “Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better.” Mr. Romney not only believes that states acting independently can handle the response to a vast East Coast storm better than Washington, but that profit-making companies can do an even better job. He said it was “immoral” for the federal government to do all these things if it means increasing the debt.

It’s an absurd notion, but it’s fully in line with decades of Republican resistance to federal emergency planning.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: disaster; fema; government; hurricanesandy; weather

You right wing nuts made the storm much worse because you're stingy!

1 posted on 10/30/2012 6:11:34 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2952206/posts?page=46#46

no...it doesn't NYT

2 posted on 10/30/2012 6:13:34 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: Zakeet

A big storm requires *efficient* government.


3 posted on 10/30/2012 6:14:21 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: Zakeet

Odungo has to respond to his base (NYC)....


4 posted on 10/30/2012 6:14:40 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Zakeet

Is this an actually news article?


5 posted on 10/30/2012 6:15:23 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Abundy

Absolutely unbelievable that NYT deems fit to run a political attack story while its residents are still fighting floods, fires, and untold danger at the moment.

What a bunch of pansy assed political HACKS!!!


6 posted on 10/30/2012 6:16:13 AM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: Gay State Conservative

A big storm requires *efficient* and *flexible* government.

Big Government is neither.


7 posted on 10/30/2012 6:17:55 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Zakeet

LOL!
I’m imagining NY city waiting for the UN to fix their flooded subways.
The bigger the better right NYTimes ?


8 posted on 10/30/2012 6:18:00 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Zakeet

I wonder if Axelrod is on the NYT payroll, or if he writes these press releases gratis.


9 posted on 10/30/2012 6:18:29 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: LibsRJerks

Well I guess this locks up NJ, Maryland, NY and Deleware for Obama..oh wait.....Sorry NYT, your guy is toast, nothing you can do to save him, Next Tuesday we won’t have seen a black guy beaten this badly since Levar Burton back in 1977.


10 posted on 10/30/2012 6:19:34 AM PDT by pburgh01
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To: Zakeet

The fundamental fallacy of this argument lays in the assumption that such functions couldn’t be equally or better provided to society via non-government entities.


11 posted on 10/30/2012 6:19:34 AM PDT by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Zakeet

I noticed NYT has closed the comment for the article. A big storm does NOT require a big gov’t,,it requires a flexible and well-oiled machine, lean and responsive. Can’t at least one lib think outside the bun for awhile?


12 posted on 10/30/2012 6:19:55 AM PDT by austinaero
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To: Zakeet

"I'll always have al Qaeda and the New York Times."

13 posted on 10/30/2012 6:21:27 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Zakeet

FEMA should be eliminated.

Disaster preparedness done by states suffers because big brother is always there.

Disaster relief ends up going to certain states disproportionately. It is not the obligation of Idaho to pay for hurricane damage in Florida, or Virginia, where I live.

States could purchase insurance to cover some needs, and have a rainy day fund for others.

And the BEST reason:

FEMA is a mechanism by which any administration can buy votes and power. I watched this morning as Chris Christie had to effusively praise President Obama’s “handling” of New Jersey’s plight. Christie had to do this, or risk ticking off big bro.

Big bro is a vindictive sort, and Chris Christie knows it.

The fact that the feds are supposed to come in and help was the reason the left was able to bludgeon Bush with his response to Katrina, also.


14 posted on 10/30/2012 6:22:31 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: Zakeet
"A Big Storm Requires Big Government New York Times "

Cornered, densely populated 'rat mazes need plenty of direct supervision.

15 posted on 10/30/2012 6:22:48 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Zakeet

Any idiot can throw money at a disaster.


16 posted on 10/30/2012 6:23:25 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Zakeet

Hoping that the NY Slimes offices and operations are under about ten feet of water.


17 posted on 10/30/2012 6:23:25 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ( For AMERICA's sake: Vote for the Mormon, NOT the muslim; The Capitalist, NOT the Communist! FUBO!)
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To: Utmost Certainty

I expected this....later this week. Pretty irresponsible for the NYTimes to run an article like this today. When the damage is still ongoing. NY City is flooded. Fires. No power.

The fact that they are running it so early tells you Obama is in real trouble. And this is a story that was “pushed” to the NY Times by the Obama campaign. I heard the FEMA director this morning say 5-6 times, extraordinary steps that this president has already taken. A financial crisis helped to elect Obama and they are going to try and use a natural one to get him reelected.


18 posted on 10/30/2012 6:23:33 AM PDT by gswilder
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To: Zakeet

No, it merely requires an intelligent citizenry, an economy strong enough to endure these events, and competent local authorities.

No savior from Washington DC required.


19 posted on 10/30/2012 6:24:22 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Zakeet

So they like bigger, more powerful government....... I wonder what happens when a Republican is elected and in charge.

Will they still be fantasizing about a bigger government?


20 posted on 10/30/2012 6:27:07 AM PDT by Babashane
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To: Zakeet

Waiting for the UN to take up a collection around the world to help poor little us.


21 posted on 10/30/2012 6:28:44 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Zakeet

“... And that is why I have instituted a new organization to deal with weather disasters. They will be as as large, well organized and trained as the military, and they will be under Presidential authority only. Because they will be dealing with weather events I am calling them my Storm Troopers.”


22 posted on 10/30/2012 6:29:36 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Zakeet

I think people who prepared for disaster are going to be better off than those sitting on their hands waiting for big daddy government to show up.

I am sure they considered those who prepared and bought extra food to be possible domestic terrorists.


23 posted on 10/30/2012 6:33:06 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Zakeet
It isn't a news story, it's an editorial. They are using the storm to attack Romney. Unbelievable.
24 posted on 10/30/2012 6:34:28 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Zakeet
What nonsense.

This whole “collective” thing turns my stomach. When people choose to live in a flood plain, on a beach, on a fault line, beneath a volcano, or anywhere it gets too hot or too cold, too dry or too wet then it is their choice. They need to plan for it. They need to pay for it.

I am not against charity, but I am against my tax dollars being washed through bureaucrats’ hands in DC only to be inefficiently delivered to people who long ago made the decision to rely federal relief instead of planning and taking responsibility for their own lives and property.

25 posted on 10/30/2012 6:40:35 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (In a previous life I was ...)
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To: Westbrook
FEMA has, I think, 9 districts around the country. Depending on which district you are talking about there is a varied requirement for how much stuff FEMA keeps on hand.

I have worked with FEMA in my area and they have a large amount of equipment standing by, but it is hardly ever used. I think a fair amount of money could be saved by paring down the number of districts, leveraging off National Guard capabilities, and prepositioning gear to respond to certain types of emergencies. Especially when it comes to storms we usually have several days to get ready.

26 posted on 10/30/2012 6:42:19 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Zakeet

The usual reflexive liberal argument: there is no problem Government cannot fix, and if you disagree you are an OGRE. Next Tuesday the American people (or at least 53% of them) won’t buy it.


27 posted on 10/30/2012 6:48:53 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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To: Zakeet
Yes, NYT. Clearly, the Bureau of Land Management, the Department of Energy, the Department of Education, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Health and Human Services and the Transportation Safety Administration are all very important in being able to respond to natural disasters. And it's a very good thing that trillions of our dollars are funneled to Washington DC, so that millions are available to help those in need.

Hafta admit, they're absolutely right. That big government sure is helping out!

28 posted on 10/30/2012 6:48:56 AM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: GeronL
"I think people who prepared for disaster are going to be better off than those sitting on their hands waiting for big daddy government to show up."

The first responder in any disaster is the person it happened to. They will always be the first, the only question is are they prepared to respond.

FEMA; when seconds count you can count on them to be there in a couple of days.
29 posted on 10/30/2012 6:51:47 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Zakeet
Police, fire, rescue, and hospital capabiities are all local and state assets, and in the case hospitals, they are often private facilities. The National Guard is, in the first, instance, a state level resource. The locals have to do the job.

FEMA's role is very secondary. It mostly write checks after the fact to reimburse for unusually high costs, which is why the designation of so many relatively trivial events as "federal disasters" is a political slush fund operation.

30 posted on 10/30/2012 6:53:09 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: wayoverontheright
You are correct.

Massive fires in Texas....Sorry bout yer luck. - BHO

Tornadoes and floods in the midwest... Too bad, so sad.- BHO

A flood in a black city...Credit cards, living expenses, free housing, and support that lasts for years on end.

31 posted on 10/30/2012 6:56:04 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Abundy
National Response Coordination Center

I think the name itself reveals a philosophy that has worked for the United States for centuries: States working together. You don't need a huge central body, with large budgets, to co-ordinate disaster response. You don't need centralized direct response, you need to let the States combine forces under leadership. Not unlike the military model we operate under.

State response doesn't work, NYT? While a Boy Scout during the Cold War years (in your back yard, by the way), I remember the practice drills for response against nuclear attack -- it was modeled on central information dissemination but distributed, local action. England showed how well such a tiered system worked during World War II German bombing. Individuals need to be prepared, neighborhoods need to be prepared, towns need to be prepared, counties need to be prepared, States need to be prepared.

Want to talk about the "cash-strapped States"? Why do you think they are strapped for cash? Four words: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac. Couple that with the disaster that was the Community Reinvestment Program, aka "Robin Hood House Act", and you see the folly of central control. Complain of guns and no butter? The Progressives had two years to fix that problem without any help from the Conservatives -- control of all three houses of Federal government: House, Senate, White House. And what happened? Nothing much.

Now, if the nation's capitol was in Topeka KS it might, just might be in a better position to know what's going on, to have its pulse on the finger oft he nation. But it's not.

FEMA doesn't need to "federalize" local first responders, or the States' National Guards. FEMA needs to take in reports from the field and help with national-level mobilization of relief aide. That's a key word, "help". Not "dictate".

The Feds, by sucking up all the tax money, bankrupts the States, the Counties, the Towns, the Villages. Ask any fireman how he would like having orders from Washington about how to fight fire down the street. Yes, natural disasters like Sandy are larger, yes they cross State lines, but the response starts much further down the food chain. Individuals taking responsibility for their lives, safety, and well-being. Neighbors helping neighbors. Towns helping towns. Counties helping counties.

And ordinary people pitching in. Ever volunteer time filling and placing sandbags to fight a flood in the next state over? Until you can say "yes", I suggest you STFU, NYT editors.

32 posted on 10/30/2012 6:58:54 AM PDT by asinclair (Bulls*it is an ever-renewable resource.)
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To: GeronL

My little village in the sticks go without lots of times and we expect and prepare for it.


33 posted on 10/30/2012 6:59:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Zakeet

Dear ny slimes... die... go bankrupt... starve... whither away... p*$$ off etc etc etc etc etc.

LLS


34 posted on 10/30/2012 7:02:05 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (OUR GOVERNMENT AND PRESS ARE NO LONGER TRUSTWORTHY OR DESERVING OF RESPECT!)
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To: LibsRJerks

All the white folks are heading to the stadium and yelling, “ save me, save me”....ooops, sorry. That was New Orleans.


35 posted on 10/30/2012 7:08:29 AM PDT by Duffboy
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To: cripplecreek

I still feel sorry for those who wait until the shelves are bare to go get ready though. That has got to make their stomach churn to see an empty grocery store. Probably seems unnatural to them, a real shock.


36 posted on 10/30/2012 7:09:10 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: wayoverontheright
States could purchase insurance to cover some needs, and have a rainy day fund for others.

Kinda like an HSA for state disaster relief funding?
37 posted on 10/30/2012 7:18:13 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (We the People are coming!!)
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To: Babashane
So they like bigger, more powerful government....... I wonder what happens when a Republican is elected and in charge.

A good National leader would recognize that we are a stronger nation if the 50 individual pieces are strong.
38 posted on 10/30/2012 7:21:19 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (We the People are coming!!)
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To: Zakeet
hmmm...most of us, and indeed for several thousands, if not perhaps millions of years, humans survived the planet without “Big Government”..

In fact..some of the biggest of “big” governments have been responsible for 100’s of millions of deaths in the 20th century.

39 posted on 10/30/2012 7:31:22 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Abundy
A Big Storm Requires Big Government

Correction: Big storm requires state governments to be in charge with federal support at the ready.

40 posted on 10/30/2012 7:31:32 AM PDT by Rapscallion ( Has the House Judiciary Committee also gone AWOL?)
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To: LibsRJerks
Good thing New Yorkers are smarter than the fairies at the NYTimes ~ and are busy putting out their own fires, pumping the water out of their own subways, hooking up their own electrical systems, and clearing the streets of debris.

If New Yorkers had to wait around on FEMA they'd burn to the ground.

41 posted on 10/30/2012 7:41:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Zakeet

Before FEMA, how did Texas cope with the Galveston hurricane in 1900 that killed over 10,000 people? How did California survive the Great San Francisco Earthquake in 1906 that killed over 3,000 and destroyed 80% of that major city?

We are pitiful cry babies compared to Americans of that generation. They helped each other and didn’t wait for the federal government to take care of them when disaster struck. They were strong people who expected disasters in life, not weaklings who believe that nothing bad should ever happen to them.


42 posted on 10/30/2012 7:56:44 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Zakeet

FUNYT


43 posted on 10/30/2012 8:40:06 AM PDT by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: Zakeet

Hellooooooo, geniuses at The New York Times: this Omnipotent Big Government you speak of ... have you noticed most of it is frickin’ CLOSED today?


44 posted on 10/30/2012 9:00:37 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Zakeet

Since we are talking hurricane politics, consider that the worst hit thus far are all blue states: NJ, NY, DE, MD, CT.

Electoral effect on Romney: Near zero.

Two swing states (VA, PA) have been affected, at least residually, in their blue areas (northern VA, greater Philly). This could affect turnout and certainly has affected early voting.

Electoral effect on Obama: potentially decisive in a bad way.


45 posted on 10/30/2012 10:01:51 AM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: Zakeet
Since the effects, while over a broad area, require focused responses in each affected locale; the needs are not served by having to defer to judgment from a centralized bureaucracy.

This is not just theoretical--not just a logical conclusion from what we know about the inefficiency of centralized bureaucracy. We have also had fairly recent examples--as witness the better local response to Katrina in Southern Mississippi, as compared to that in the politically corrupt New Orleans, where folk waited for the Federalis, to solve the problems.

The New York Times, of course, does not look at political questions from an objective perspective. It has not done so for a great many decades. The staff, once again, sees an opportunity to tout Leftist theories, and does so.

Yes, of course, cooperation between communities can help in these terrible situations. But making each community the primary responder to its own immediate problem, frees local initiatives from the inevitable hand-wringing, bias & what have you, of a centralized bureaucracy trying to determine priorities in a general confusion.

Think about it.

William Flax

46 posted on 10/30/2012 10:16:52 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Zakeet

Chicago destroyed by fire, and Chicago rebuilt - no FEMA.

San Francisco hit by earthquake followed by fire, and destroyed, and rebuilt - no FEMA.

New Orleans, hit bt hurricane Katrina while corrupt state and local officials scapegoated FEMA for their incompentance, and parts of New Orleans, after billion$ and billion$ still not recovered.

Federal government dependency IS federal government dependency and creates dependency and inhibits self-sufficency in any area where it exceeds its essential and necessary functions.

America was STRONGER when everyone, including every level of government understood that.

To what do we owe any great successes in mitaging issues due to this storm, leading up to it, or rescuing those in danger from it - state and local planning, state and local action and locally directed responses.


47 posted on 10/30/2012 11:51:00 AM PDT by Wuli
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