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Lingering Questions About Benghazi (Obama's Washington Post firewall breached)
The Washington Post ^ | Tuesday, October 30, 2012 | David Ignatius

Posted on 10/30/2012 5:02:52 PM PDT by kristinn

The attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi has become a political football in the presidential campaign, with all the grandstanding and misinformation that entails. But Fox News has raised some questions about the attack that deserve a clearer answer from the Obama administration.

Fox’s Jennifer Griffin reported Friday that CIA officers in Benghazi had been told to “stand down” when they wanted to deploy from their base at the annex to repel the attack on the consulate, about a mile away. Fox also reported that the CIA officers requested military support when the annex came under fire later that night but that their request had been denied.

The Benghazi tragedy was amplified by Charles Woods, the father of slain CIA contractor Tyrone Woods. He told Fox’s Sean Hannity that White House officials who didn’t authorize military strikes to save the embattled CIA annex were “cowards” and “are guilty of murdering my son.”

SNIP

Looking back, it may indeed have been wise not to bomb targets in Libya that night. Given the uproar in the Arab world, this might have been the equivalent of pouring gasoline on a burning fire. But the anguish of Woods’s father is understandable: His son’s life might have been saved by a more aggressive response. The Obama administration needs to level with the country about why it made its decisions.

A final, obvious point: The “fog of battle” that night was dense not just in Benghazi but in Cairo, Tunis and elsewhere. U.S. officials needed better intelligence. That’s the toughest problem to address, but the most important.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: benghazi; benghazicoverup; benghazigate; christopherstevens; davidignatius; libya; libyagate; lingeringquestions; seansmith; shadowwars; threatmatrix; tyronewoods; wapo; wapobenghazi

1 posted on 10/30/2012 5:02:53 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

It is Hugh that the WaPo has been forced to report on this.


2 posted on 10/30/2012 5:06:57 PM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: kristinn

They believe that Obozo is going to lose and no longer feel the need to constantly cover for him.


3 posted on 10/30/2012 5:07:04 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: kristinn

As Mark Levin just said, “we have the photo op of Obama in the situation room for Hurricane Sandy, where’s the photo from the situation room of Obama on Benghazi???”


4 posted on 10/30/2012 5:10:10 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Why not eliminate the middle man and have whoever feeds Obama his lines debate Romney directly?")
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To: kristinn

OR maybe.... The “FOG OF LIES” that night was dense not just in Benghazi but in Cairo, Tunis and elsewhere. U.S. officials needed better intelligence. That’s the toughest problem to address, but the most important.


5 posted on 10/30/2012 5:11:28 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: kristinn

I’ve read some sites today that claim this was an Iranian set up. That trained “troops” were just waiting with man pads for US planes to appear. Interesting speculation, eh?


6 posted on 10/30/2012 5:13:30 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: kristinn
Liberals and their propaganda arm, the "news" media, must really be worried about this story getting out to the electorate, as they have yet to "Joe-the-plumber" Charles Woods. It's obvious they just want this story to go away.

I say they're afraid it could become as big as Watergate and they don't want that to happen to a Democrat.

7 posted on 10/30/2012 5:15:23 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: kristinn
I wonder if letting 4 American citizens die while he watched was "A GUTZY CALL?"

gggrrrr

8 posted on 10/30/2012 5:15:32 PM PDT by paul in cape
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To: kristinn

I haven’t read this before. True?

“In addition, during the early morning hours of September 11th, 2012, when the Obama Administration had reports coming from Libya that our American Consulate was under attack and our Ambassador was missing, presumed kidnapped by elements of al Qaeda, President Obama was not woken up and told because of a decision made by his own National Security Advisor, Tom Donilon. This news is not being reported accurately in our mainstream media and only FOX News has even mentioned ‘some’ but not all of what is in this report of what actually transpired in Libya.”

COMPLETE ARTICLE @ http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/6806

Honestly this does add up to the remark he made about as soon as he found out......


9 posted on 10/30/2012 5:16:49 PM PDT by Ms Mable
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To: abb

cut it out this is series


10 posted on 10/30/2012 5:17:07 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: kristinn
Ignatius -- and, by extension, the Post -- desperately want to believe that their guy was justified in his actions.

But they had to agree that Fox et al have a point.

They're essentially asking the White House to answer the questions, make the critics shut-up...and restore their faith.

11 posted on 10/30/2012 5:17:38 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
I’ve read some sites today that claim this was an Iranian set up. That trained “troops” were just waiting with man pads for US planes to appear. Interesting speculation, eh?

That occurred to me as well. Not necessarily the Iranian part, but if there are 20K manpads missing, some of them might have been with the attacking militia. A couple of observations:
1) If that was so, the whole operation of feeding arms and trying to buy back arms was fatally flawed
2) Sending the ambassador to Benghazi after pulling his security force a few weeks before was beyond incompetent
3) If we were too afraid to have overhead assets, why were the SEALS painting the mortar with their lasers? It implies the assets were there.

12 posted on 10/30/2012 5:18:05 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

I would think there are alternatives to the gunships if someone was interested in helping out the seals, which obviously, no one was.


13 posted on 10/30/2012 5:18:42 PM PDT by spawn44 (moo)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
I’ve read some sites today that claim this was an Iranian set up. That trained “troops” were just waiting with man pads for US planes to appear. Interesting speculation, eh?

That occurred to me as well. Not necessarily the Iranian part, but if there are 20K manpads missing, some of them might have been with the attacking militia. A couple of observations:
1) If that was so, the whole operation of feeding arms and trying to buy back arms was fatally flawed
2) Sending the ambassador to Benghazi after pulling his security force a few weeks before was beyond incompetent
3) If we were too afraid to have overhead assets, why were the SEALS painting the mortar with their lasers? It implies the assets were there.

14 posted on 10/30/2012 5:18:54 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Ms Mable

And is this true? “It should also be pointed out that in Libya the United States has approximately 2 dozen American “contractors” still missing as a result of their CIA safe houses being compromised by the documents stolen from the American Consulate in Benghazi.” SAME ARTICLE


15 posted on 10/30/2012 5:19:53 PM PDT by Ms Mable
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

If anyone knew that then we had enough intel to let Iran know that if there was so much as a twitch out of their fighters on the ground in Benghazi that their city of Qom or a port facility of theirs was going to be reduced to ashes.


16 posted on 10/30/2012 5:21:47 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: kristinn
Given the uproar in the Arab world, this might have been the equivalent of pouring gasoline on a burning fire.


             

17 posted on 10/30/2012 5:24:41 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: kristinn

For questions to “linger”, wouldn’t they have had to have been raised by the Post in the first place.

Can the Post validly ignore a story and then characterize the questions later as “lingering?”


18 posted on 10/30/2012 5:27:35 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: abb
"Yes, but."

- W. Compost

19 posted on 10/30/2012 5:29:40 PM PDT by JPG (Make it happen)
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To: kristinn
Looking back, it may indeed have been wise not to bomb targets in Libya that night. Given the uproar in the Arab world, this might have been the equivalent of pouring gasoline on a burning fire.

What about dropping a few canisters of tear gas or something like that to disperse the crowd?

20 posted on 10/30/2012 5:30:33 PM PDT by randita
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To: Ms Mable
"In addition, during the early morning hours of September 11th, 2012, when the Obama Administration had reports..."

Isn't it true that the attack began about 2:00 PM Eastern? Why would the President be sleeping in the middle of the afternoon?

Whoops. Never mind.

21 posted on 10/30/2012 5:34:39 PM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik (In a tornado, even turkeys can fly.)
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To: kristinn

Dear Secretary Clinton: if my neighbor’s house is on fire and the flames are two stories high, have I actually tried to help if I throw a cup of water on the fire? Sure, I can claim I tried, but is just doing something an attempt at a real solution? If, as I’ve read, there were 150 attackers armed with mortars, Rocket Propelled Grenades and heavy machine guns, what could be expected from the six Americans dispatched from Tripoli? Could they secure both sites? I mean “secure” in the military definition. My understanding is that one of those six was killed. Let me give you a piece of advice from an old Infantryman......hit your knees tonight and thank God that there weren’t more dead Americans. I personally think they let you off the hook. This was obviously just a raid.


22 posted on 10/30/2012 5:43:00 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: kristinn

The Post utterly fails to address the elephant in the room:

Why the flash mob YouTube video bullshtt that was floated for 14 days by the President, Vice President, Secretary of State, UN Secretary and Communications Director/Press Secretary?


23 posted on 10/30/2012 5:44:55 PM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: kristinn

Not to worry! I am sure the SSN (Selective Story News) will cover the tragedy of Tyrone Woods like they did Cindy Sheehan’s story.

I challenge every Freeper to write a letter to their local paper and demand they give as much ink to Benghazi as they did for Cindy and her code pinkers.


24 posted on 10/30/2012 5:45:36 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: kristinn

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/30/Facebook-Censors-Navy-SEALS-To-Protect-Obama-on-Benghazi-Gate
Facebook Censors Navy SEALS to Protect Obama on Benghazi-Gate


25 posted on 10/30/2012 5:47:16 PM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: SnuffaBolshevik

I don’t know, maybe they are referring to Benghazi time? Stevens was missing for 7 or 8 hours... they “tortured him”, did he tell them where the CIA agents were located? See Obama....THEY TORTURED HIM! We can’t water board but....

I think this is why there was a delay from the consulate being hit and the annex. And I most definitely want to know if there are other Americans that are missing.


26 posted on 10/30/2012 5:50:57 PM PDT by Ms Mable
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To: kristinn

Just more spinning to try to cover for Obama. Attempting to suggest reasonable sounding theories for why the Administration made a tough call, but had to turn down the pleas for help instead of inciting the thugs - as if they need an excuse for their violent, obnoxious, insane behavior.

Not buying it for one second!


27 posted on 10/30/2012 5:58:57 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

They could have taken them out with an armed drone.

Obama didn’t want to do it because he’d rather lose Americans than Muslims.


28 posted on 10/30/2012 5:59:59 PM PDT by livius
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To: kristinn

They were watching this live, as Charlene Lamb of the State Dept. testified. Remember that they were able to do so in Pakistan for the killing of bin Laden. No advance notice in the case of Libya, you say? We have been fighting the GWOT for 11 years. We had plenty of intel. We stood up AFRICOM to deal with these places. The Post is covering for Obama by claiming we had inadequate intel to enable Obama & Panetta to act.

They simply did not want a Black Hawk Down or Carter rescue debacle this close to the election. Remember, they said bin Laden was a gutsy call because of the political risk if the mission failed. Here, hundreds of people were shooting at us, not a couple of guys and a woman. Too much political risk for the narcissist running this country.


29 posted on 10/30/2012 6:05:52 PM PDT by Belle22
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To: randita

There was NO crowd.
There was NO crowd.
There was NO crowd.

I don’t have to make three posts that way:)


30 posted on 10/30/2012 6:06:41 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Blood of Tyrants

It sounds to me like they’re still covering for him. Now they’re sort of conceding that their hero didn’t do anything that he could have done, but they’re saying it was a wise decision - because it might have “inflamed” the Muslims. Like they weren’t “inflamed” already; they’re inflamed when they get out of bed in the morning.

And as for the risk, they could certainly have used one of the armed drones that Bambi is so fond of playing with. But that’s going to be the story - remember Panetta saying that he really didn’t know anything so he didn’t want to take any risk.

However, that said, the idea that there was no intelligence about it is preposterous. Obama might not have paid attention to it, but there were warnings from other sources weeks in advance, there had been several other earlier attacks on this same facility, and, of course, they were watching the actual attack live from several sources.

Sorry, that’s an excuse that won’t fly. However, the press gets credit for trying.


31 posted on 10/30/2012 6:08:10 PM PDT by livius
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To: Ms Mable

Niemand muss erwachen die Fuhrer


32 posted on 10/30/2012 6:12:16 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: kristinn


33 posted on 10/30/2012 6:32:58 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Cold Heart

Poor choice of a word - crowd.

But there was a sizable number of attackers in the vicinity of the annex. Seems like there would be something unpleasant that could have been detonated to disperse them at the least.


34 posted on 10/30/2012 6:34:57 PM PDT by randita
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To: abb

Extremely disappointing, though, that he left out the most critical point in Griffin’s report: that Woods had laser painted the target that was firing on the CIA annex building and coordinates were being sent - something that makes no sense unless there WAS an armed drone available to lock in the coordinates.

Easy to say you don’t have enough information when you ignore a brightly-painted X right over the place that the grenades/enemy fire were coming from.

And why the HECK are we afraid of starting a sh!t-storm by defending our own ambassador and his crew in a country we supposedly just placed our ALLIES in power of - after getting the whole Muslim world to positively love us and ridding the world of terrorism? If our only way to keep peace with our FRIENDS is by letting their terrorist buddies kill all our people - at this point about the same number of people as have died as a result of the storm yesterday - then who needs enemies, anyway? We had the capability of dispersing that middle-of-the-night crowd; would it have been too “provocative” to disperse those innocent little victims who just happened to be taking a stroll at 4am when Woods was killed? But we only had the capability of dispersing the crowd if our assets were actually deployed to the area in order to be available if needed. That is standard protocol, but we didn’t even do that, to have the option of peacefully dispersing the crowd.

Obama claims that he immediately instructed that we try to find and bring justice to those responsible. Well.... Tyrone Woods put a big X right where the grenades were coming from, but Obama let those grenades kill Woods instead of doing anything to either stop those terrorists or bring them to justice. And 3 terrorists were captured by the people at the CIA annex - but SOMEBODY forced the Americans to release those terrorists. Who in that annex building had authority enough to override the (supposed) expressed orders of the POTUS?

Other facts claimed in this editorial don’t match the reporting that I’ve heard. For instance, how many times did Woods request permission to go help? I had heard it was the initial time and then again an hour later, and that he was refused both times and ended up defying orders and going anyway. So which is the truth? When are we going to see the communications that will prove what the truth was?

I’m not sure whether it is better for the media to ignore the issue, or to report falsely. Both options stink.


35 posted on 10/30/2012 6:35:58 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: combat_boots

War er schläft oder stoned?


36 posted on 10/30/2012 6:38:55 PM PDT by Ms Mable
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To: Ms Mable

Obama was asleep at 4:55 pm when the report came that the outpost was under attack and the Ambassador’s whereabouts were unknown?


37 posted on 10/30/2012 6:39:02 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Ms Mable

...oder mit Reggie vieleicht?

...in ihre Reggie? ;>


38 posted on 10/30/2012 6:47:36 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: butterdezillion

Stoned perhaps? Who knows? Or the timeline might be wrong, but I’m starting to believe he did go to bed early thinking it was no biggy and no one woke him up until after the fact. I know that sounds impossible but I’m beginning to think it true. Maybe V.J. blocked the info from him? I just don’t know...


39 posted on 10/30/2012 6:47:52 PM PDT by Ms Mable
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To: randita

I’m a little touchy on the word crowd because that was the false story that the Obama administration spun for two weeks.

Lead from a gunship or a rocket from a drone would be my idea of a dispersant.


40 posted on 10/30/2012 6:49:29 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: combat_boots

Nah...I think Mr. Love fell outta love with The One. I think O got a dear John letter from him....HA


41 posted on 10/30/2012 6:51:57 PM PDT by Ms Mable
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To: Ms Mable

...shh, don’t wake fearless leader, Normandy is being attacked......opps...Benghazi


42 posted on 10/30/2012 7:06:39 PM PDT by Dawggie
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To: kristinn
Looking back, it may indeed have been wise not to bomb targets in Libya that night. Given the uproar in the Arab world, this might have been the equivalent of pouring gasoline on a burning fire.

We need to accept that we're never going to placate these people - they're going to hate the U.S. no matter what we do.

Embassy, consulate or mission - it's still American territory, manned by our people. Far better to defend our territory and people with whatever force necessary than to leave them vulnerable to our enemies. If we're going to operate over there in such a visible manner, they need to know that they'll be smoked if they dare to attack us.

43 posted on 10/30/2012 7:09:28 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Ms Mable

There was a caller to Rush Limbaugh’s show who detailed the protocols for what happens when there is a crisis - said he might get into trouble for saying anything but did it anyway. When the alert comes in, there is somebody who has the duty of getting in Obama’s face within 10 minutes and physically telling him that there’s been an attack and the Ambassador’s whereabouts are unknown. There is no way that Obama did not know what was going on.

If the attack began about 9pm Libya time and that was about 4pm DC Daylight time, that’s about a 5-hour difference. If Woods died at 4am Libya time that would be about 11pm DC time. During that time between 4-11pm, Obama spent at least part of that time meeting with Panetta and spent time watching the drone’s video feed. All the while refusing to let us even move our assets into the area so they would be ready if we needed them.

Although we have yet to know where the drones came from, and whether they were armed. Doesn’t make sense for Woods to be laser-painting the target and sending coordinates if there wasn’t airpower to lock in the coordinates - as I understand from what military people here and elsewhere have said. Somebody suggested that he could have painted the target to try to get the bad guys to think they were in danger and leave, but I don’t know if the bad guys would have a way of knowing they had been painted. Somebody else suggested that he painted them in case help eventually came, but especially if it was a residential area it wouldn’t make sense to paint somebody’s position in case there was help later, when the target could move in the meantime and hitting the earlier target could mean civilian casualties.


44 posted on 10/30/2012 7:15:56 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

In a normal, competent WH all of that makes perfect sense, but we’re talking about Obama and his appointed hacks. I have heard many people talk about him being in over his head on different situations in the past. Truly, I just don’t know if it’s incompetence or his anti American self showing.


45 posted on 10/30/2012 8:07:43 PM PDT by Ms Mable
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To: Dawggie

:-)


46 posted on 10/30/2012 8:09:59 PM PDT by Ms Mable
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To: Nifster
cut it out this is series

Giants won the World Serious over the Tigers in a 4-0 sweep.

47 posted on 10/30/2012 8:35:07 PM PDT by Holly_P
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To: Holly_P

they sure did. This year instead of fear the beard....it was beware the hair. It was sweeeeet


48 posted on 10/30/2012 8:49:48 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: kristinn

Good subtitle


49 posted on 10/30/2012 10:11:00 PM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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