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To: butterdezillion
" ...30 people escaped in one armored vehicle?"

When someone is trying to kill you, "personal space" has little meaning when it comes to cramming into the available transportation.

I've ridden in pickup truck "matatus" in Kenya with 27 other people and seen them with 35 or so.

"They’ve got these concrete walls with razor wire and such, and yet these people were able to just come in through the gate?"

The gate is easier than getting a ladder or driving a vehicle up next to the wall, throwing several layers of carpet (or a mattress) over the razor wire concertina and crawling right over. Wire can only slow an attacker, making him an easier target. a determined attacker will find a way through wire.

"Wasn’t the gate closed? Were these thugs able to shoot open the gate, or what?"

A chain and a pickup truck could probably open the gate in 15 seconds.

29 posted on 10/31/2012 7:05:28 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: BwanaNdege; butterdezillion

Actually, you bring up a good point.

ATFP requirements at such facilities require crash gates and standoff distances. These aren’t simple chain link gates.

Early reports claimed the initial assault involved an RPG fired at the main gate to breach the gate, then a guard returned fire on attackers, was neutralized, then about 20 armed attackers walked into the compound.

Perhaps the RPG targeted the armed response and others placed explosives to level the gate. Standard tactics in a dedicated coordinated preplanned attack, obstacles such as gates only delay an enemy. They are always kept under observation, with the area in front of them generally used for preplanned fires, in the event they are assaulted.

They should have delayed an unopposed attacker about 10 minutes and a well defended position probably 15-30minutes.

In company sized attacks (say 120-150 men), they are generally only supported with about 15 minutes of ammunition, so a defensive position usually has the advantage, possibly forcing the attackers to expend all their ammo before reaching their objective.

If the main gate is too fortified, attacks usually hit a perimeter wall, not the avenue of likely approach.

Why did they attack the gate? Perhaps their intel was gleaned from those who had access via the gate and at night, it made mapping the compound easier to coordinate.

Another question is where did the attackers go between attacks? How were they resupplied or were they? Other news reports indicate some 50 pickups arrived around the area throughout the night, exclusive of the rescue reaction force from Tripoli and the militia to support them.

Normally, all of these points would be considered within the chain of command, but when the AFRICOMinC was relieved, because he was performing his duty, then covered up, it’s quite likely that nobody is performing the analysis.


33 posted on 10/31/2012 8:13:15 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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