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What to do if Proposition 30 fails?
Sacramento Bee ^ | 10/31/12 | Dan Walters

Posted on 10/31/2012 9:52:31 AM PDT by SmithL

As the political odds turn against Proposition 30, Gov. Jerry Brown's tax measure, political insiders are turning their attention, however reluctantly, to the fallout should, indeed, voters reject the sales and income tax hike on Tuesday.

The measure would deliver $6 billion a year in new revenues and should it fail, Brown and the Legislature have already passed $6 billion in so-called "trigger cuts" that would be imposed, overwhelmingly on K-12 schools.

So that would seem to be that. But it's not.

As Brown campaigns – with increasing desperation – for the measure, he insists that were it to fail, he'd refuse to sign legislation changing the trigger cuts to schools. But he has to say that, because the threat to schools is the core of his pitch to voters.

Whether he really would stand pat on the triggers is, therefore, problematic. Brown has never let a seemingly solid public position preclude changing his mind when political winds shift.

What we do know is that his allies in the educational establishment, especially unions such as the California Teachers Association, have no intention of meekly accepting the trigger cuts, even if most school districts have already built that worst-case scenario into their current budgets.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: gimme; goldenstate; moonbeam; moremoremore; prop30; taxandspend

1 posted on 10/31/2012 9:52:31 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Party!


2 posted on 10/31/2012 9:54:13 AM PDT by ThomasThomas
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To: SmithL

If the cuts effect the schools (K-12), then the only ones who will suffer are the children of Illegal Aliens...


3 posted on 10/31/2012 9:55:31 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: SmithL

Politicians sold their souls and the state to unions, now it’s time to pay the piper.


4 posted on 10/31/2012 9:56:34 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: SmithL

Sounds like home schooling is gonna get a big boost.


5 posted on 10/31/2012 9:56:45 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SmithL

At least a third of the tenured union teachers should be pink-slipped to save money, and about half the administrative staff should be laid off, as well.

In the good old days, when students graduated and could read, write and do math, there were 30-40 students per class. Before the scoring was dumbed down, legitimate SAT scores peaked in 1964. Taxpayers are getting shafted by the education industry. Any other monopoly producing such an inferior product would have been broken up long ago.


6 posted on 10/31/2012 9:59:36 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: SmithL

The clique in control in California uses elections the same way the European Union does - to simply confirm decisions they have already made.

If the plebes somehow do not confirm their decisions? Well, its a temporary embarrassment, but it will not stop them from implementing their plans.


7 posted on 10/31/2012 10:01:30 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: SmithL

I sent my ballot in with a no vote to prop 30. Every election Sacramento asks for money, promising cuts to public safety or schools, and I think voters are sick of it.


8 posted on 10/31/2012 10:02:37 AM PDT by dmyhra
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To: SmithL
Staff at CA schools have gone up faster than enrollment. Maybe some of those positions should be cut.

Amazing that when financial crunch time comes they can only seem to be able to cut things that the public actually uses and wants or needs.

No cuts to ‘advisory boards’ political patronage “jobs” where you meet a couple times a month and pull down a salary around $100,000. A printout of these boards in California goes for pages and pages.

No cuts to the so called bullet train to nowhere. No way, the bribes have already been paid. The politically connected will NOT go without this Christmas!

No cuts to the thousand and one silly and stupid things the California government does, nope - first up on the cutting block is schools, police and fire!

Even the federal government has gotten in on the act and seems to justify ever expanding FEDERAL government based upon schools police and fire - despite these being a STATE responsibility and the federal government (only recently) chipping in only a nominal amount.

Sick!

9 posted on 10/31/2012 10:10:02 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: NormsRevenge

Prop 30 had better fail.

I’m outraged.

My granddaughter’s 8th grade English and History teachers are campaigning in their classrooms!

Both have signs (bumper stickers) taped to the chalk boards.


10 posted on 10/31/2012 10:11:04 AM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: PGR88

bttt


11 posted on 10/31/2012 10:14:02 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: SmithL
How about expanding the community college system to grant bachelor's degrees and shutting the redundant Cal State University system down entirely?

Offering the entire K-12 curriculum online, including proficiency exams?

Closing down the Sacramento offices of the state education department and rotating the minimal necessary work back out to regional offices closer to the school systems served?

Require proof of legal US residence from all students enrolled?

No, there has been no serious attempt to control education spending - and there never will be under a Democrat administration.

12 posted on 10/31/2012 10:15:02 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: dmyhra

NO on 30, yes to 32 and no to that death penalty “guilt” prop. But I’m sure all these would be for naught as the faggot marriage prop no demonstrated even though it passed, you can expect another idiot liberal judge to overturn them.


13 posted on 10/31/2012 10:21:01 AM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: txrefugee

I graduated from high school in Northern California in 1958. At that time, California schools were first in the nation and my high school prided itself in having the highest percentage of it’s graduates going on to Cal and Stanford, How far we have fallen!


14 posted on 10/31/2012 10:26:11 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: SmithL

Oh, the folly of passing a budget last summer that simply ASSUMED the passage of this proposition.

Even lefty Californians have rejected most new sales-tax hikes and extensions lately, making this assumption all the more stupid.


15 posted on 10/31/2012 10:29:46 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: SmithL

Prop 38, which is even worse than Prop 30 re: raising taxes, is going down in a crushing defeat according to the latest polls I’ve seen.


16 posted on 10/31/2012 10:29:46 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: onyx
My granddaughter’s 8th grade English and History teachers are campaigning in their classrooms!

Both have signs (bumper stickers) taped to the chalk boards.

That is illegal. California law says:

"No school district or community college district funds, services, supplies, or equipment shall be used for the purpose of urging the support or defeat of any ballot measure or candidate, including, but not limited to, any candidate for election to the governing board of the district."

This prohibition includes posting any campaign material in the classroom, unless campaign material for both sides are posted.

17 posted on 10/31/2012 10:31:22 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: SmithL
Living in Oregon, so no dog in this fight.
BUT, this is often the scenario intended by state governments (at least here in Oregon). Structure a tax measure such that failure would effect K-12, and you automatically hold parents hostage forcing their vote. Plenty of other programs to target, but none deliver votes as effectively as K-12.
18 posted on 10/31/2012 10:32:03 AM PDT by blues-train (blues train)
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To: onyx
My granddaughter’s 8th grade English and History teachers are campaigning in their classrooms!

Both have signs (bumper stickers) taped to the chalk boards.

You're right to be outraged, but I'd go further. Have your granddaughter get a few pictures on a cell phone, making sure that some of the pictures show enough context to rule out any contention that it is some OTHER classroom.

Thereafter, I'd call, in a sweet-as-pie manner, for the school's principal and ask whether this is legal, proper, etc. With any luck, not only will the electioneering disappear (for awhile), but you'll also catch the teacher in a lie when s/he denies to the principal that the bumper sticker was ever displayed. You'll have the contrary proof!

19 posted on 10/31/2012 10:33:46 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: Cowboy Bob
If the cuts effect the schools (K-12), then the only ones who will suffer are the children of Illegal Aliens..

You haven't seen how things work at the schools. A co-worker who lives in the ritzy Scripps Ranch community of San Diego learned first hand. She pays huge property taxes and thought her neighborhood school would be a good quality place. When her daughter started school, she paid a visit. Her daughter was sitting at a desk in the hallway. The illegal alien kids (barely literate in English) were inside the classroom. She had to find a private school and pay the full cost to get her daughter educated while the illegals feasted on the tax money extracted from her for no benefit to her own child.

Prop 30 fixes nothing except the teacher's underfunded pensions. It will do nothing for the classrooms. The problem is the present of illegitimate interlopers in the classroom.

20 posted on 10/31/2012 10:35:47 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: onyx

They don’t want to have to contribute to their own pensions.


21 posted on 10/31/2012 10:40:22 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: onyx
Does your daughter carry a cell phone with a camera? If so, get a picture before the teacher gets a "heads up" to remove the evidence of the violation.
22 posted on 10/31/2012 10:41:06 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Mr. Jeeves

And what if taxpayers only helped fund classes that will help someone get a job? If they want to take ‘women’s studies’ or ‘LGBT studies’ then they can pay for it themselves.


23 posted on 10/31/2012 10:44:10 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: NormsRevenge
Politicians sold their souls and the state to unions...

...And to the invading Mexican hordes.

But the Democrat politicians would never have gotten away with it for as long as they have without the inexplicable complicity (votes) of a lot of regular, working, taxpaying, traditional American familes. Jerry Brown and California's overwhelming Democrat legislature didn't get elected soley by the atheists, abortion enthusiasts, union pinky rings, condom-throwers, Boy Scout haters, hand-wringing college professors, Georgetown sluts, Hollywood drunks, minority "victim" class, America-hating malcontents, and the rest of the parasites, losers, and goofballs who comprise the Democrat party "base".

Many seemingly normal people voted for them, too.

24 posted on 10/31/2012 10:44:19 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: SmithL

No new taxes! The California legislature can’t raise taxes without a 2/3 majority vote, which is why there are three tax increase propositions on the ballot. Force these weasels in Sac to cut spending. Their threat of cutting police, fire and schools is just a scare tactic. Just say no!


25 posted on 10/31/2012 11:12:14 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: SunStar

Any tax payer is CA should sit down and read their local school district budget. Most are online in detail. Two big take aways from that will be that employees versus students have grown out of line..and are only now leveling out.
Reason..more illegals and immigrants with special needs. Plus public school is really now PreK to 14..with kids in the system longer than k to 12. In spite of those additional employees(teachers and admin) the test scores are worse.
Two..expenditures on capital improvements are not accounted for in most of the average $/student numbers you see. With essentially flat enrollment school districts are spending on more facilities and borrowing to do it..raising costs.
But the multiplier of having more kids with special needs..more years in school and higher and higher salaries...can’t go on.


26 posted on 10/31/2012 11:35:09 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: SmithL
Maybe the state should look at cutting back on the number of agencies they have.

Are these all really necessary?

27 posted on 10/31/2012 11:49:56 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Re-electing Obama is not optimal.)
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