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Petraeus and Panetta SpeakóBut Not the President
the Weekly Standard ^ | 10/31/12 | WILLIAM KRISTOL

Posted on 10/31/2012 10:42:43 AM PDT by Nachum

Seven weeks later, the White House still hasn't explained what President Obama did and didn't do during the seven hours of the attack on Benghazi on September 11. And there's been no response from the White House to questions asked by senators or THE WEEKLY STANDARD or David Ignatius in the Washington Post.

We have, to be sure, heard from some government officials. But the information they've provided raises still more questions.

CIA director David Petraeus authorized a statement pointedly saying that "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate"—which strongly suggests that Petraeus believes or knows that officials in other parts of the government may have told subordinates "not to help those in need."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: benghazicoverup; benghazigate; benghaziobama; obamabenghazi; obamamuteonbenghazi; panetta; petraeus; president; shadowwars; speak; threatmatrix
You can run, but you can't hide
1 posted on 10/31/2012 10:42:45 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


2 posted on 10/31/2012 10:43:30 AM PDT by Nachum (The List was hacked- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

The Weeklystandard site is down......move along.


3 posted on 10/31/2012 10:48:05 AM PDT by GregNH (If you are unable to fight, please find a good place to hide.)
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To: Nachum
"No one at any level in the CIA"

Operative words.

The implication is that obviously SOMEBODY told the military and the CIA operatives not to intevene, it just wasn't anyone at the CIA.

4 posted on 10/31/2012 10:48:18 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Nachum

The Link states.........”Service Unavailable

The service is temporarily unavailable. Please try again later.”

Wonder if it is service overload or what....


5 posted on 10/31/2012 10:53:09 AM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: Nachum
We're the battling bastards of Benghazi,
Fighting fierce, like Kamikaze,
Alone against a ruthless foe,
Obama and his sidekick Joe.
And nobody gives a damn.


6 posted on 10/31/2012 10:54:02 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Nachum
“Panetta’s statement only makes sense if there were those in the military or elsewhere who considered or urged deploying forces into harm's way, and that those individuals were overruled because of the lack of real-time information. Take another look at what Panetta said: “As a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.” In other words, Panetta is acknowledging forces could have been put at risk, but that a decision was made not to do so.”
7 posted on 10/31/2012 10:55:18 AM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: blueyon; Nachum

It’s back up now.


8 posted on 10/31/2012 11:08:40 AM PDT by GregNH (If you are unable to fight, please find a good place to hide.)
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To: Nachum

If you’ve done things right and you tell the truth, you can give the information right away. If you’ve screwed things up and then lied about it, you have to run a bunch of “What if?” scenarios to see which lie plays best.


9 posted on 10/31/2012 11:16:05 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Nachum; GregNH; All

Thanks GregNH for letting me know it’s up again

To All, Something in my opinion is not right with this story:

It states Obama called Netanyahu at 8:18pm ET. Israel is 6 hours AHEAD of us, so that would make it 2:18 am in Israel. If the call was for 1 hour, it ended at 3:18 am. Does anyone here really think Netanyahu would stay up at that hour of the night just to talk to Obama? I don’t! And why would they even be told about that phone call..........What is going on


10 posted on 10/31/2012 11:24:33 AM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: Nachum
LENO: “Well, ‘Don't Ask, Don't Tell’ is back - not for gays in the military. It's President Obama's new policy for questions about Libya. Don't ask, don't tell."
11 posted on 10/31/2012 11:32:12 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Nachum
So Kristol is saying Panetta was either following orders or he was usurping presidential power. Still think Republicans should call him up for a committee hearing and suggest he resign if he usurped authority, or let them know the decision wasn't made by him by was in fact made by Obama.
12 posted on 10/31/2012 11:39:07 AM PDT by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: Servant of the Cross
What would have happened if the request for went up the chain of command through;Eisenhower or Patton or Bradley or Walt or Krulak or Truscot or MacArthur or Puller, etc?
My guess lots of dead jihadies and maybe a rescued Ambassador.
13 posted on 10/31/2012 12:16:49 PM PDT by ozdragon
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To: Nachum

What the heck are we doing training Seals and PJs for years if not to put them in harms way, without knowing the full picture. Besides, what were they getting from the drones and the Americans on the ground?


14 posted on 10/31/2012 4:11:19 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: Nachum

Betcha there’s plenty of angry Special Forces at Africom who didn’t get to use their skills to save Americans and kick butt.


15 posted on 10/31/2012 4:12:40 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: blueyon

#5: I heard on the radio Monday that lots of internet sites have been slowed down, but no one knows how, who, or why.


16 posted on 10/31/2012 4:14:28 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: DallasDeb; All; Aria; Ax; ~Kim4VRWC's~; ~Peter; 1035rep; 2ndDivisionVet; 3D-JOY; 4woodenboats; ...

noticeably disrupted. As are my cell phone’s browser and emails


17 posted on 10/31/2012 11:24:21 PM PDT by FARS (Be Healthy, Happy and Thrive!)
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To: DallasDeb

I’m on a drilling location, routed through satellite to a server in Alberta, and everything has been outrageously slow or unresponsive.


18 posted on 11/01/2012 2:48:36 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Nachum

Here’s the 3rd debate where Obama says when the initial phone call came, he gave an order to “secure those Americans”;

TRANSCRIPT: Presidential debate on foreign policy at Lynn University
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/22/transcript-presidential-debate-on-foreign-policy-at-lynn-university/

Obama “Now with respect to Libya, as I indicated in the last debate, when we received that phone call, I immediately made sure that, number one, that we did everything we could to secure those Americans who were still in harm’s way;”

Initial phone call to Washington(which would have been approx 9:40pm at the consulate);

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/10/198791.htm

SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL:“...I neglected to mention from the top that that agent from the top of this incident, or the very beginning of this incident, has been on the phone. He had called the quick reaction security team, he had called the Libyan authorities, he had called the Embassy in Tripoli, and he had called Washington.”


19 posted on 11/01/2012 3:11:14 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: DallasDeb

OMG...I’m in Cleveland and my internet service, phone, and TV service has been horribly disrupted.

It took 3 attempts to connect to a friend via phone and even then it hung up on me just after telling her I’d try again over the weekend.


20 posted on 11/01/2012 3:41:04 AM PDT by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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To: Son House

Would the press have been be up in arms if some police chief had listened to Matthew Shepard’s screams for help for 6 hours while he was being murdered - and done nothing? I suspect the MSM and Hollywood would still be talking about it. This? Not so much - well, not at all...


21 posted on 11/01/2012 7:15:00 AM PDT by GOPJ ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbOuxqK2T34)
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To: GOPJ
Why do you pick on Shep? I would have had Chrissy M doing the screaming and getting sodomized.

That'll give him a tingle...

22 posted on 11/01/2012 8:32:18 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1381 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: DallasDeb; Absolutely Nobama; aragorn; Art in Idaho; Aurorales; autumnraine; azishot; AZ .44 MAG; ..
#5: I heard on the radio Monday that lots of internet sites have been slowed down, but no one knows how, who, or why.

On the 29th, one of my contacts said:

Been doing tracert to FR from command prompt.
Interesting results.
The problem is NOT FR's servers.
It's the internet backbone itself.
It's as if traffic to FR and other sites that have been
critical of Dear Leader has been... helped.
To which he added today:
DemUn was rather fast last I was able to check.
Now isn't that a remarkable coinky-dink?
23 posted on 11/01/2012 8:46:14 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1381 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: null and void
Now isn't that a remarkable coinky-dink?

Just as my site (nachumlist) was attacked the day before the first convention. Just a coincidence I'm sure.

24 posted on 11/01/2012 8:55:10 AM PDT by Nachum (The List was hacked- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: throwback
Still think Republicans should call him up for a committee hearing and suggest he resign should be hanged for treason if he usurped authority, or let them know the decision wasn't made by him by was in fact made by Obama.

There. Fixed.

25 posted on 11/01/2012 8:57:04 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1381 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: null and void; DallasDeb; Absolutely Nobama; aragorn; Art in Idaho; Aurorales; autumnraine; ...

Just wait until next Tuesday, we may have no internet service at all. Just sayin’...


26 posted on 11/01/2012 8:57:34 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Son House

Exellent work, my dear Holmes. It warrants posting elsewhere...


27 posted on 11/01/2012 8:58:39 AM PDT by Nachum (The List was hacked- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: null and void

traceroutes look fairly normal with consistent ping times

any slow down seems to be on the server and not the network


28 posted on 11/01/2012 9:04:44 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Nachum

I sure hope so.


29 posted on 11/01/2012 9:05:50 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1381 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Just wait until next Tuesday, we may have no internet service at all. Just sayin’...

Yeah.

Unless the box cars have WiFi.

Let's all meet at the Washington Monument afterwards, as a gathering of spiritual warriors, if you will...

30 posted on 11/01/2012 9:08:50 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1381 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: sten

Would you be so kind as to occasionally check and let us know if that suddenly changes?


31 posted on 11/01/2012 9:11:08 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1381 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: null and void

Not denial of service, just a slooooooooooooooowing of service...........


32 posted on 11/01/2012 9:12:11 AM PDT by Red Badger (Why yes, that was crude and uncalled for......That's why I said it..............)
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To: null and void
for those wishing to see the data, type the following into a windows command shell:

tracert freerepublic.com

the final ip address is: 209.157.64.200

to monitor the connectivity to that server, type:

ping -t 209.157.64.200

a sample from my pings:

Pinging 209.157.64.200 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 209.157.64.200: bytes=32 time=82ms TTL=45
Reply from 209.157.64.200: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=45
Reply from 209.157.64.200: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=45
Reply from 209.157.64.200: bytes=32 time=77ms TTL=45
Reply from 209.157.64.200: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=45

the time from my system to FR's server is hovering between 77 and 82 ms, fairly acceptable times from FL to CA

33 posted on 11/01/2012 9:18:55 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

Windows command shell?

Do you happen to know the Macintosh method?


34 posted on 11/01/2012 9:21:29 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1381 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: null and void
I ran a trace and found something kind of interesting. The first time I found it was by accident...and it disappeared. I couldn't get it back to save my life.
Then yesterday, bam, there it was again. This time I got it. Look.


All the hops between PSI and NTT are Afrinic nodes.

I checked for the 154 designation and lo and behold:

It's Mauritius, the huge banking center.

Since we are having a Freepathon, I was wondering if they might be up to no good. Another reason might be that we have been following Benghazi so closely, but the slowdown started before that, didn't it?

Here is the whois:

% This is the AfriNIC Whois server.

% Note: this output has been filtered.

% Information related to '154.0.0.0 - 154.255.255.255'

inetnum: 154.0.0.0 - 154.255.255.255
netname: AFRINIC-20090508
descr:
descr: AfriNIC - www.afrinic.net
descr: Allocation for Africa - This block is in use
descr: by AfriNIC for allocating/assigning to networks
descr: in the AfriNIC service region.
descr: More information - whois.afrinic.net.
descr: Abuse - please querry the whois db for the
descr: contacts of the assigned/allocated prefix.
descr:
country: MU
org: ORG-AFNC1-AFRINIC
admin-c: EMB2-AFRINIC
tech-c: EMB2-AFRINIC
status: ALLOCATED-UNSPECIFIED
mnt-by: AFRINIC-HM-MNT
mnt-lower: AFRINIC-HM-MNT
source: AFRINIC # Filtered
parent: 0.0.0.0 - 255.255.255.255
organisation: ORG-AFNC1-AFRINIC
org-name: African Network Information Center - (AfriNIC Ltd)
org-type: RIR
country: MU
address: 11th Floor,
address: Raffles Tower,
address: Lot 19
address: Cybercity
e-mail: contact@afrinic.net
e-mail: cto@afrinic.net
phone: +230 941 6610
fax-no: +230 466 6758
admin-c: AF7-AFRINIC
tech-c: AF7-AFRINIC
mnt-ref: AFRINIC-HM-MNT
mnt-ref: AFRINIC-DB-MNT
mnt-by: AFRINIC-HM-MNT
remarks: =======================================
remarks: For more information on AFRINIC assigned blocks,
remarks: querry whois.afrinic.net port 43, or the web based
remarks: query at http://whois.afrinic.net or
www.afrinic.net
remarks: website: www.afrinic.net
remarks: Other Contacts:
remarks: ===============
remarks: hostmaster@afrinic.net - for IP resources
remarks: new-member@afrinic.net - for new members and other
remarks: inquiries.
source: AFRINIC # Filtered
person: ERNEST MWIRIMA BYARUHANGA
address: AfriNIC
phone: +230 403 5100
fax-no: +230 466 6758
e-mail: ernest@afrinic.net
nic-hdl: EMB2-AFRINIC
mnt-by: ernest-mnt
source: AFRINIC # Filtered

35 posted on 11/01/2012 9:30:59 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and none dare call it treason)
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To: Nachum
In the 2nd debate, he never said there was a rescue attempt being made, he talks as if the event had already passed. Here’s the 3rd debate quote and comparison;

Obama “as I indicated in the last debate, when we received that phone call, I immediately made sure that, number one, that we did everything we could to secure those Americans who were still in harm’s way”?

Transcript of Second Presidential Debate
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/16/transcript-second-presidential-debate/

OBAMA: “So as soon as we found out that the Benghazi consulate was being overrun, I was on the phone with my national security team and I gave them three instructions.

Number one, beef up our security and procedures, not just in Libya, but at every embassy and consulate in the region.

Number two, investigate exactly what happened, regardless of where the facts lead us, to make sure folks are held accountable and it doesn’t happen again.

And number three, we are going to find out who did this and we’re going to hunt them down, because one of the things that I’ve said throughout my presidency is when folks mess with Americans, we go after them.”

36 posted on 11/01/2012 9:37:11 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: FARS

Thanks for the ping!


37 posted on 11/01/2012 9:43:35 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: null and void; Absolutely Nobama; aragorn; Art in Idaho; Aurorales; autumnraine; azishot

Perhaps that episode with the FBI and the internet last summery was a practice run for shutting down some sites.


38 posted on 11/01/2012 9:49:21 AM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: Son House
Obama “as I indicated in the last debate, when we received that phone call, I immediately made sure that, number one, that we did everything we could to secure those Americans who were still in harm’s way”?

But, if he received the call and no help came, that surely makes the lie worse. He could not walk it back. It simply looks like an attempt to simply talk enough so that everything sounds like nonsense.

39 posted on 11/01/2012 11:02:09 AM PDT by Nachum (The List was hacked- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: P-Marlowe

Ham and the other guy know exactly who told them to stand down. But, hey, it’s just another coinky dink they were suddenly replaced and not a peep out of either.


40 posted on 11/01/2012 12:10:29 PM PDT by bgill (Evil doers are in every corner of our government. Have we passed the point of no return?)
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To: Nachum

It was also a coinky dink that in the first part of the admin, a handful of other’s here had sites hacked or their computers going wonky ONLY on eligibility threads.

We’ve heard denials from the military and the WH. There’s no one else who could issue orders. Someone, and I think we know who, is lying. The only other answer is that our enemies have hacked into or been given access to the system and if that’s the case, we’re in seriously deep doo-doo.


41 posted on 11/01/2012 12:26:15 PM PDT by bgill (Evil doers are in every corner of our government. Have we passed the point of no return?)
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To: bgill
The only other answer is that our enemies have hacked into or been given access to the system and if that’s the case, we’re in seriously deep doo-doo.

Someone's all 'Wee Wee'd up"

42 posted on 11/01/2012 12:48:26 PM PDT by Nachum (The List was hacked- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: mojito
>"because of the lack of real-time information."

That we had at the time because we launched a drone BEFORE the attack!


Why would we have a drone hanging around watching?

How did we know we would need a drone hanging around watching?

Who ordered the drone to hang around and watch?

43 posted on 11/01/2012 1:01:22 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: bgill
It was also a coinky dink that in the first part of the admin, a handful of other’s here had sites hacked or their computers going wonky ONLY on eligibility threads.

Has anybody's peripherals (mouse, keyboard) not been working correctly for a few weeks? For some reason, the night of the last election, my mouse and keyboard started to lock up. It got progressively worse the next few days.

44 posted on 11/02/2012 1:47:47 PM PDT by wastedyears (The First Law of Heavy Metal: Not all metal is satanic.)
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