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An Unlikely Benghazi Tale Unravels
The Weekly Standard ^ | 10/31/2012 | Daniel Halper

Posted on 10/31/2012 12:59:36 PM PDT by RoosterRedux

A reader writes in:

I've been struck over the past few days over the extent to which statements from Defense Department officials, whether on the record or on background, have holes in their logic so wide that one could drive a truck through them. Take, for example, this quote from a 'senior defense official' on Foxnews.com this morning:

"While some may think that armed drones could have made a difference in Benghazi, that's altogether unclear," a senior defense official tells Fox News. "You need good intelligence to drive the use of armed drones. It's not like you can just send hellfire missiles into a relatively crowded area when you don't know precisely where the enemy is."

Gee, if only there had been, say, a former Navy SEAL on the roof of the building under attack, using a laser range finder to communicate to higher headquarters precise map coordinates (which, if he had standard-issue gear, would be accurate to within one meter) of the enemy positions! And even if that had not been the case, there is always the option of using fixed wing jets to perform what is called a 'show of force:' a low-altitude high-speed pass meant to intimidate the enemy and indicate the presence of American airpower over the battlefield. Due to tight rules of engagement, this tactic is employed virtually every single day in Afghanistan (and likely much more frequently than that.)



TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: benghazi; benghazicoverup; libya; obama; obamamuteonbenghazi; shadowwars; stevens; threatmatrix

1 posted on 10/31/2012 12:59:38 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux
there is always the option of using fixed wing jets to perform what is called a 'show of force:' a low-altitude high-speed pass meant to intimidate the enemy and indicate the presence of American airpower over the battlefield.

At the very damn least!

2 posted on 10/31/2012 1:01:46 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: RoosterRedux

Our SEALs, Delta Force and other special forces would have been chomping at the bit to go into Panetta’s ‘risky’ situation. After all, it was just a band of protesters upset about a YouTube video, right?


3 posted on 10/31/2012 1:02:48 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: RoosterRedux

WAKE UP AMERICA:

On 9/11/2001 al Qaeda took out the Pentagon and the WTC
and the airplane in PA.

Today, some in the Pentagon appear to incredibly
defend weapons transfers (20,000 MANPADS) to al Qaeda.

This is TREASON, folks.
Absolutely clear in the light of day.


4 posted on 10/31/2012 1:06:17 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: eddie willers

An AC130 Spectre gunship could’ve attacked, and with precision.. I don’t know about altitude and vulnerability to getting shot down, however.


5 posted on 10/31/2012 1:06:51 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: RoosterRedux

It’s not a laser range finder...that’s cheap civilian equipment. It’s a laser designator, and the operators only use that when they know they have an assett nearby that can take advantage of it...meaning carrying a weapon that can home in on the laser targeting.

That’s the damning part of the info we are getting. If Ty Woods was actively lasing a target, and we are told that it was the mortar team that was targeting him and ultimately killed him, then he was only doing that because he knew there was an aircaft on scene that could take down the target. But it didn’t, so someone had to order that aircraft not to fire.

On November 6th, it’s time...past time, that We the People:

STAND OBAMA DOWN!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIWiBXpR0mc


6 posted on 10/31/2012 1:06:54 PM PDT by Jeff Head ( Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: RoosterRedux

Also unremarked is that these are compounds, not right in the middle of apartments.


7 posted on 10/31/2012 1:08:56 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: RoosterRedux

I like the excerpt from the Marine Corps manual.


8 posted on 10/31/2012 1:14:44 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Jeff Head
If Ty Woods was actively lasing a target, and we are told that it was the mortar team that was targeting him and ultimately killed him, then he was only doing that because he knew there was an aircaft on scene that could take down the target.

Very good point.

Here is another point. These "security guards" or now as we know CIA contractors, were told to stand down. But apparently no one in the CIA told them to stand down. That was Petraeus way to tell the world the CIA was not involved in this operation. Furthermore, either Petraeous bold faced lied to Congress, or he was given faulty intell when he testified to congress this was mob over the video. Given the Langley's subsequent statements that they were not aware of request for help from "CIA contractors", I favor the latter.

So who were these guys reporting to? Who hired them? This stinks of a clandestine operation reporting right into the White House. Government within the Government.

9 posted on 10/31/2012 1:27:20 PM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: blueunicorn6

I guess Panetta is unfamiliar with the Marine’s warfighting doctrines. Politician he is.


10 posted on 10/31/2012 1:30:18 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: 11th Commandment

I have read that the “annex” was set up to train Libyans, like we train military in Afghanistan and that the house, a mile away was simply cover for the CIA operation, that must have been a Black ops operation.

That would account for the disconnect between Woods and the CIA controlled drone. It sounds as though Woods assumed that the drone was armed and was there in response to his call for help.


11 posted on 10/31/2012 1:34:58 PM PDT by Eva
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To: RoosterRedux

They took out a 16 year old American citizen in Yemen as “ollateral damage” but couldn’t take out a painted mortar position beause of the risk of ollateral damage? These people are FOS.


12 posted on 10/31/2012 1:36:02 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
" Our SEALs, Delta Force and other special forces would have been chomping at the bit to go into Panetta’s ‘risky’ situation. After all, it was just a band of protesters upset about a YouTube video, right? '


BINGO !!

That's the absurdity and irony of Panetta's lie, that we cannot send forces into a dangerous situation without real time Intel.

What ?

After all Obama administration ? Main stream media ? Panetta ? Hillary ? there was a protest ? right ? Mega Sarcasm
13 posted on 10/31/2012 1:48:39 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: RoosterRedux

Disasterassistance.gov.......that is the web site Obama just gave to people needing help from the hurricane. There is the problem......the seals in Benghazi were trying to contact the State Department. Who knew......


14 posted on 10/31/2012 1:54:26 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: Toespi

“They know I mean it, I have a 15 minute rule, they return all calls in 15 minutes, if they need something we figure out a way to say YES.”


15 posted on 10/31/2012 1:58:08 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: American Constitutionalist

Great point.

Someone get this to the Pentagon press corps so they can nail Panetta with it.


16 posted on 10/31/2012 1:59:20 PM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: RoosterRedux

Aside from pictures of burned out and looted buildings, has anyone seen evidence of a firefight?


17 posted on 10/31/2012 3:08:52 PM PDT by fso301
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To: RoosterRedux

The GLTD can function in several ways:

1. continuous painting for a munition that is terminally guided via laser

2. acquisition of GPS coordinates of a nearby place chosen by the operator —he paints the target to record and later transfer the GPS coordinates

3. faking out an enemy believed capable of detecting their own illumination. This is to cause them to flee, or to stop some form of activity

So you see for Woods to have been painting a target does not necessarily mean there had to have been an armed platform orbiting above. It would make it LIKELY, but not certain. It is possible he was faking them out or had the intent to forward the GPS coordinates to a platform that was nearby, due to arrive, or SAID to be due to arrive.


18 posted on 10/31/2012 3:13:32 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: 11th Commandment

Obama, Hillay, Panetta, Patreaus, Charlen Lamb et al have BLOOD OIN THEIR HANDS...BLOOD and LOTS OF IT!! LIARS ALL!!


19 posted on 10/31/2012 3:40:26 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Jeff Head

Were you aware that a guy from BlackFive called into Rush’s program and explained why Woods was using the laser ..?? I was stunned when he explained that it was because he either knew there was air power about to show up .. or he believed the drone was weaponized.

Of course, neither was true. This act by our govt is just pure evil.


20 posted on 10/31/2012 9:36:36 PM PDT by The Final Harvest ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: American Constitutionalist

but ... they were all watching it in “real time” .. so where does he get the fact that he didn’t have real time info .. what a liar.


21 posted on 10/31/2012 9:40:24 PM PDT by The Final Harvest ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: CyberAnt

I believe there was an assett, ether a predator or reaper drone, or Spectre gunship, overhead near the end that was armed and could have taken the target under fire.

The target was the mortar team targeting him that ultimately killed him.

Woods was a very good SEAL and he would not lase the target until he knew there was something to take it down.

Orders were given not to fire...that is my feeling about this. Plain and simple.


22 posted on 10/31/2012 10:47:56 PM PDT by Jeff Head ( Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
Orders were given not to fire...that is my feeling about this. Plain and simple.

That has been my feeling all along.
That's the reason for the cover up, orders not to fire, treason and dereliction of duty.

23 posted on 10/31/2012 10:56:02 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Gen Ham offered to send assistance & was promptly relieved of his duty & brought back to Washington.

Obama is showing his disdain for the military again-—and lifers in the military are going to speak up sooner or later. They won’t take much more.


24 posted on 11/01/2012 6:46:06 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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