Skip to comments.Islam comes to the classroom in Russia's Chechnya
Posted on 10/31/2012 7:32:38 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
This year, Russian schools started offering courses in the history of world religions, like Orthodox Christianity and Buddhism; a course on secularism is also offered, reflecting attitudes fostered during the era of the communist Soviet Union.
In Chechnya the lines between history of religion and religious education are being blurred. Dzhabrailov, who says he is deputy director of his school's spiritual-moral department, says the programme is implemented in Chechnya with materials prepared by local religious leaders.
Although officially not mandatory, students and teachers say all pupils are obliged to take the course on Islam, which focuses on the history of Islam and how to behave as a Muslim. Russian media reported that between 99 percent and 100 percent of Chechen students are taking the class. ....
Last year Chechnya's leadership said it wanted state workers dressed in "Muslim clothes", including the hijab for women. They insist it was a "recommendation", but it is strictly followed. ....
Like many buildings in the Chechen capital of Grozny, School No. 20 is sparkling new.
The city was almost entirely rebuilt after the two wars that nearly destroyed it. With Kremlin funds, the city is now spotless, and construction projects like business centres and hotels are sprouting, though rarely occupied.
A big new mosque occupies a prominent place.
In schools the dress code for girls is a headscarf.
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So like what happened to those 300 kids that were slaughtered by the Chechnians? Did Russia retaliate? Not a word heard about ti.
Before you go too far down that road. Remember that when the Russians have to fight in Chechnya, we in America and the EU screech to high heaven, organize the UN against them, try to aid the Chechyns any way we can.
We believe that magically, the Al Qeida inspired Chechyns, the Kosovars, etc, ad nauseum will be filled with gratitude and be our friends.
The world would be a better place had we supported the Russians against the islamists. Russians are astounded that we support islamic terror there, and fight it a few nations east of there.
Okay, well, so where was the justice for those slain kids?
The main revenge is in fact that Chechen jihad failed. Modern Chechnya is part of Russia, and it lives under Russian laws. Since Russian laws allow schools to teach religion, they do so in Chechnya and elsewhere. Better them learning Koran in controlled conditions rather than at underground gatherings of jihadis. Perhaps one would wish that they'd not learn Koran at all, but that's not how things are in that part of the world.
The actual perpetrators haven't escaped their fate:
The following people were named by the Russian government as planners and financiers of the attack:
Shamil Basayev Chechen rebel leader who took ultimate responsibility for the attack. He died in Ingushetia in July 2006 in disputed circumstances.
Kamel Rabat Bouralha British-Algerian suspected of organizing the attack, who was reportedly detained in Chechnya in September 2004.
Abu Omar al-Saif Saudi national and accused financer, killed in Dagestan in December 2005.
Abu Zaid Al-Kuwaiti Kuwaiti national and accused organizer, who died in Ingushetia in February 2005.
Shamil Basayev claimed responsibility for his group. KGB (FSB) blew him up. Parts of him were scattered over a mile. Numerous others in his group have been assassinated in FSB hits. There have been sustained army attacks against the areas they came from in efforts to suppress the movement. Most of the attackers died in the ill-fated rescue attempt.
Oh, it is forbidden to build any new mosques in Moscow.
But it’s kinda of an odd assertion that it was ignored.
Think of our problem with Mexicans. Then imagine they were islamic. Thats what they have to deal with. A lot of it can be done militarily, a lot of it cannot.
But still, at least they don’t do like Clinton and Bush and side WITH the Chechyns.
On 16 September 2004, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said that Russia was “pulling back on some of the democratic reforms”, while George W. Bush expressed concern that Putin’s latest moves to centralize power “could undermine democracy in Russia.”
That was our response, two weeks after the Beslan attack, because Putin immediately made moves to reduce the political power of the Chechyn and Ingushita zones in Russian government. The bodies werent even cold, and this was in 2004 at the height of our post 9/11 wars. It was an Al Qeida affiliated bunch that did it. And we were advocating for them.
President Speaks to the United Nations General Assembly - September 21, 2004 - This month in Beslan we saw, once again, how the terrorists measure their success -- in the death of the innocent, and in the pain of grieving families. Svetlana Dzebisov was held hostage, along with her son and her nephew -- her nephew did not survive. She recently visited the cemetery, and saw what she called the "little graves." She said, "I understand that there is evil in the world. But what have these little creatures done?" Members of the United Nations, the Russian children did nothing to deserve such awful suffering, and fright, and death. The people of Madrid and Jerusalem and Istanbul and Baghdad have done nothing to deserve sudden and random murder. These acts violate the standards of justice in all cultures, and the principles of all religions. All civilized nations are in this struggle together, and all must fight the murderers.
Democratic institutions have taken root in modern societies, and in traditional societies. When it comes to the desire for liberty and justice, there is no clash of civilizations. People everywhere are capable of freedom, and worthy of freedom. Finding the full promise of representative government takes time, as America has found in two centuries of debate and struggle. Nor is there any -- only one form of representative government -- because democracies, by definition, take on the unique character of the peoples that create them. Yet this much we know with certainty: The desire for freedom resides in every human heart. And that desire cannot be contained forever by prison walls, or martial laws, or secret police. Over time, and across the Earth, freedom will find a way. - George W. Bush
Yeah,,except no matter how you slice it, Bush wanted more independence for Chechnya.
Besides, restructuring the power of regional governors? We just did it too.
President Obama signed an Executive Order (attached) establishing a Council of Governors
****to strengthen further the partnership between the Federal Government and State Governments to protect our Nation against all types of hazards****.
When APPOINTED, the Council will be reviewing such matters as involving the National Guard of the various States; homeland defense; civil support; synchronization and integration of State and Federal military activities in the United States; and other matters of mutual interest pertaining to National Guard, homeland defense, and civil support activities.
The bipartisan Council will be composed of ten State Governors WHO WILL BE SELECTED BY THE PRESIDENT to serve two year terms. In selecting the Governors to the Council, the White House will solicit input from Governors and Governors associations. Once chosen, the Council will have no more than five members from the same party and represent the Nation as a whole.
Federal members of the Council include the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, the Assistant to the President for Intergovernmental Affairs and Public Engagement, the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Homeland Defense and Americas Security Affairs, the U.S. Northern Command Commander, the Commandant of the Coast Guard, and the Chief of the National Guard Bureau. The Secretary of Defense will designate an Executive Director for the Council.
Your attempts to badmouth your own country and say that the USA is just as bad Russia are disgraceful and anti-American.
What the hell do you know, you narrow-minded spam-launching twit. Calling me unAmerican. You have no idea of whence you speak. I’ve earned my right to my opinion that hard way.
You are so blind that it’s almost funny, that is, if it weren’t so sad. I’m NOT unAmerican for pointing out that despite his soaring speeches, Bush and Clinton both, (and now Obama) have fiercely assisted islamic wahhabist movements from Kosovo, other spots in the Balkans, all through the Caucas region, and now the “arab spring”.
We are trying now to help Syrian Wahabbists take over Syria, endangering a HUGE number of Christians.
In Libya we actually used, armed, funded, and flew close air support for Al Qeida fighters who we had fought in Iraq. SAME EXACT INDIVIDUALS AND LEADERS.
When Putin appointed those “governors” (who are not the same as a governor in the USA) they are voted up or down by that regional legislative body.
If you can read, you might see that a national government centralizing power by coopting regional leaders was just done here two years ago. The ten governor council, that decides matters of national guard policy, Homeland security, fusion centers, etc etc., is ALL APPOINTED.
The other 40 governors have to live with their decisions.
In a “national emergency”, the nation is suddenly devided into ten districts.
Your posts are entertaining but are hung up in 1965, and largely so out of touch that it’s embarrassing.
For example, you appear to believe that Putin is a “jihadist chechyn”, intent on spreading islam in the caucases? Are you kidding?
You might consult your map. Russia has a hUGE muslim population. It is a problem similar to the Mexican citizens and culture that lives here.
That population cannot be eliminated short of a genocide that would make Stalin (A dictator in the USSR) blush. So the option of appointing someone he can control to some degree, and trying to have islam taught and administered by people who hold some degree of loyalty to the russian federation is not THAT nutty.
The alternative is to let the Wahabbists move in and run it all with sharia and masaadras.
A better measure of the current Russian mentality is the banning of all new mosques in Moscow.
And a word of advice, before you call anyone here unAmerican, you should think twice. You are disrespectful and rude. And i did not attack you personally. I disagreed with you, and explained my view. You showed your true colors, and they are unAmerican.
By the way,,someone named “tailgunner Joe”, calling someone “unAmerican”?
Look up “irony” on your google. LOL dork
President Bush never sided with the Chechens. That's a God-damn lie. You want to blame America for what Chechens did and that is repulsive. You are part of the "Blame America First" crowd that says its America's own fault when terrorist attack us, even while you vomit up torrents of excuses for why the dhimmi Putin supports islamic jihadists like the Iranians against us. Your heroes Kaddafi and Assad are muslim terrorist scum.
KGB Putin appointed as President of Chechnya the jihadist son of the Chechen mufti Kadyrov who said that each Chechen should kill 150 Russians. Putin's stupid and cowardly policies of appeasing the islamist dictator Kadyrov as well as his support for genocidal ethnic separatists in Georgia have advanced the cause of ethnic separatism throughout the entire Caucasus region.
Joe McCarthy was a hero and he was right. When you smear him you show your true color, the color red, comrade.