Posted on 10/31/2012 11:09:46 PM PDT by Katechon
On September the 11th 2012, Ambassador Stevens is attacked at the Main Compound of the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya. At this time, former SEALs Glen Doherty and Tyrone S. Woods, both working under the State Department (on contract to the CIA), were at the CIA "annex," a second compound 1.2 miles away.
The two SEALs made a request for military back-up during the attack on the Main Compound. It was denied (apparently by the CIA command). Two times the former SEALs were told to “stand down” when they requested to go to the aid of the Ambassador and his team at the Main Compound.
But the two former SEALs went anyway to the Main Compound, AGAINST ORDERS. And they RESCUED those who remained there.
Nobody is able to find the Ambassador.
The annex is about two kilometers away. My agents pile into an armored vehicle with the body of Sean, and they exit the main gate.
-- Background Conference Call With Senior State Department Officials
Who has the inventory list of what was kept in Benghazi? I think the last thing this administration wanted US to know is what they were doing in Benghazi and military action to save Americans, might have created quite a big flash in the night sky.
I care who they were working for. I don’t think the US Navy would have hung them out to dry.
Then Obama gets away without the heat and nobody will ever really know the truth and they get away with this treason against our brave American worriors.
Perhaps they know who took Stevens to the hospital but telling us a terrorist group did to try and keep their HOSTAGE alive would sound a bit DAMNING.
It reads like this thing went from a staged hostage-taking to a full on war because two unknowing SEALs decided to ignore their orders and engage the foreign players.
The brave actions of Smith, Woods, and Doherty were beyond heroic; Impossible to characterize with mere words. If Bush were President they'd be alive. I have no doubts about that. They're dead because their Commander-In-Chief abandoned them for political reasons.
It’s like 0bama, Hillary and Rice constantly telling the lie regarding HOW and WHY it STARTED (’protest over video’) but not WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT AND HOW IT ENDED.
from what i’ve read... the navy was moving to give them support... but that admiral was relieved and arrested 30 seconds after blowing off orders to stand down
i had also heard that one of the seals had a laser designator on a target... and the asset that was paired with it failed to fire... resulting in the seals death
any confirmation on that?
if it happened that way, who gave the order to hold fire... hanging the seal out to dry
GREAT POINT!! WHY HAVEN’T the people they saved come FORWARD??????? COWARDS!! Those SEALS saved them and now they won’t come forwrd with the story????
A few points & questions:
Using Google maps, and scaling manually, the driving distance between the Consulate and the Annex (as located by the map provided above) appears to be right at 1000 meters. Not 2 km. This assumes Google’s scale is accurate.
Also per Google maps, there is a significant open area just to the south of the Annex, and a mix of developed and somewhat open areas outside of that. The Annex is “more or less” on the south side of town, and Benghazi overall is right on the coast. It would appear to be “not impossible” from the standpoint of sending rescuers in, possibly from a modest distance away if one doesn’t want to drop in right on top of the firefight / attackers, or fight through densely populated portions of the city.
Who were the “guys on ships right off the coast of Libya”? I had not heard / read this before.
I was under the impression that the Americans (Doherty, perhaps?) were lasing the mortar after it had fired on them, hoping for air support before the mortar got them in range? How would they know where to point the laser, until the mortar started firing at them (but missing)? At any rate, the part about the mortar fire immediately taking out Woods (at the heavy machine gun) and Doherty seems a bit exaggerated. It also seems like the battle might have gone even worse had the attackers been able to knock out the heavy machine gun / hit the annex right away.
Perhaps you mean that when the attackers’ mortar finally found the range, the first shot that actually hit the annex immediately killed the two Americans.
Was in fact the Annex abandoned by all Allied personnel that morning?
Do we know who the injured American survivors are? (Understandably, if they are CIA, their identities are being kept secret.)
Check Google Maps / my post above. It looks to me like we could have brought in a team (or more) from the South. This is especially true if we’d started moving assets right away.
Also note: Simple positive fresh air supply system (with redundancy) to be run to any "safe room".
Except for the fact that there were not one, but TWO unarmed drones in the area and neither one was shot at. So the idea that they were afraid of putting an ARMED drone in the air is ludicrous.
It seems like the next question (to Panetta?) might be: Did we have armed drones within 2-3 hours of Benghazi? If not, why not? If yes, why were they not used against the attackers?
If answered that what assets might have been available is still under investigation, ask:
A) How can you possibly not know, this long after the attack?
B) Is this typical of this administration’s competence?
One has to zoom in with Google Maps to get a good look at this:
There are actually 4 fairly substantial buildings at the Annex.
What is the large complex of sizeable buildings immediately North of the Annex? Could be some sort of farming (chicken houses?) or warehousing operation?
“WHO said “Stand Down “
and who directed them to order “Stand Down”
My money is on Valerie Jarrett. There is a reason why she has full Secret Service protection.
Do we know, for a fact, the survivors are Americans?
FA 18s could have safely targeted the Embassy attack with JDAMs from high altitude where the SAMS can’t reach
Perfect! Might just steal that for my Face Book page!
"NOTHING is more important than protecting al Qaeda.
And finding underage prostitutes for my staff."
Among many sources, check:
Background Conference Call With Senior State Department Officials
Washington, DC
October 9, 2012 http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/10/198791.htm
And ex-CIA Clare M. Lopez, now V-P of the Intelligence Summit, and Professor at the Centre for Counterintelligence and Security Studies:
http://blogs.jpost.com/content/benghazi-october-surprise
If something is wrong, here, let’s correct it. The goal is to synthezise all the known data into a single coherent narrative.
You say: “There were around 24 people at the safe house.”
When you say ‘safe house’, you mean one of the building of the main compound? Or the CIA annex?
Oh, and btw: we all know about the QRF en route from Tripoli. But the question here is: why no AIR support? AC-130, or armed Predator drones? Or even a helico...
While I specified that Glenn Doherty and Tyrone S. Woods were former SEALs working under the State Department (on contract to the CIA), I made the mistake in the last line of writing “Both SEALs died.” Should have been: “Both ex SEALs died.”
They were there as agents of the State Department, as the briefing from the the senior State officials mention.
“within the Department of State there is the Bureau of Diplomatic Security, sometimes called just DS – Diplomatic Security or DSS- Diplomatic Security Service and these are her [State Secretary Hillary Clinton] people, she can order them anywhere in the world whenever she wants to. They are specifically security people, many of them former military, to go to any American diplomatic post in the world as she so chooses. That’s her propagative as Secretary of State.”
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