Skip to comments.16 Fisker Karmas Caught Fire During The Hurricane
Posted on 11/01/2012 2:41:23 AM PDT by Libloather
16 Fisker Karmas Caught Fire During The Hurricane
Alex Davies | Oct. 31, 2012, 11:07 AM
A lot of cars ended up underwater in areas flooded by Hurricane Sandy over the past two days. But for already troubled Fisker, things got worse: Approximately 16 Karmas in Port Newark, New Jersey were submerged, then caught fire.
A witness told Jalopnik the extended-range luxury hybrids were "first submerged in a storm surge and then caught fire, exploded."
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Did anyone in Breasey Point,NY own one of these things?
A very valid question.
Oh boy. Could that have started the whole fire???
Lithium batteries. Lithium is a highly water reactive metal. That why you can’t throw them out in the trash. They set garbage trucks on fire.
Wow. That is a shame. Not just the financial screwjob the taxpayers got, but imagine if someone was stranded in one when it flooded.
It’s a gorgeous body, though- almost a 21st century Jag XKE.
Agreed, nice lines. Unfortunately, like so many gorgeous bodies, the contents leave something to be desired...
Heh. So true. ‘High maintenance’ X 100. (LOL & this is even funnier. What is it about getting older that draws us back to the follies of our youth? Sports cars are one of my weaknesses. Thank God for ‘too poor to’)
Put an American V-8 and a six-speed in it and I'd buy one in a NY minute.
Guy with a deep tan is sitting at club house bar with a pale obvious new comer.
Tanned guy, “I came from NYC after my dress factory went up in flames one night. Darn good thing I had insurance, because I couldn’t move those rags for love or money.”
Pale guy, “Well, my sad tale is similar. The exclusive Fiskar Karma dealership I had was in deep trouble. Just no market for $100k plus electric cars. And then that storm Sandy flooded the 16 that just came in. Water flooded the batteries, they caught fire and blew up. Damned good thing I had insurance. So I took the $2 mil and came down here.
Tanned guy after a pause quietly asks, “How the heck do you start a hurricane?”
Here in New Jersey we call that "Sicilian lightning."
I have no basis for this other than my own wild speculation, but there's a part of me that wonders if the 100+ homes in Breezy Point that were destroyed by fire actually caught fire by some suspicious means.
Here's my rationale:
1. If your home is in a flood plain, it probably can't be insured for flood damage.
2. Your homeowners' insurance, however, would cover any damage incurred that is not flood-related.
3. If you live 3 feet above sea level and you are facing a hurricane with a 5-10 foot storm surge, wouldn't it be nice if -- by the luck of the Irish -- your home burned to the ground just as the waves began crashing up onto your street?
Oh, great. You drive through some standing water & BOOM!
Visual aids are often helpful in understanding difficult subject matter...
Nice looking car but don’t drive it out in the country. This car is so low that if it hits a raccoon or porcupine the underside will be damaged.
How interesting. A car that turns into a bomb when it gets wet.
Funny, too, as you get older you have less tolerance for the bumps and bangs of a tight suspension...as you age you appreciate ‘em built for comfort, not just speed.
The fed gov sells flood insurance to homes located in flood plains; we lived in a flood plain for 26 years and bought the insurance (NFIP).
“Consumer Reports Says The 2012 Fisker Karma Is The Most Troublesome Car It’s Ever Tested
” Lithium batteries. Lithium is a highly water reactive metal. That why you cant throw them out in the trash. They set garbage trucks on fire. “
I’ll bet virtutaly none of the American public knows that. I sure didn’t.
looks like a Jaguar D to me
Sure adds an element of excitment to the weekly visit to the car wash.
I didn’t know that. Thanks!
I thought not throwing the batteries into the garbage was one of those “green” things. Recycle bin stuff.
I just thought batteries shouldn’t be thrown into a fire.
I thought batteries were just batteries. They’re charged or they’re dead.
Now I must see what kind of batteries I have and just stop thinking. LOL
I learned something today. Now I can go back to bed.
It’s not the chemistry, it’s the current. Salt water causes short circuits. I lithium ion battery can can generate massive currents and the heat that accompanies that. They will vaporise their surroundings.
:-D I can live with that most of the time. The clutch & the bending over for hours, not so much. (my knees got *remarkably* better after I got an automatic, but I still miss it)
Avoid car washes, don’t drive in heavy rains, don;t rip over extension cord.. safety hazards or what? and they’re Gubamint sanctioned?
Fisker Karma’s gonna get you...
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It is when the battery case is breached and the contents contact water. Search Youtube for “lipoly fire” or similar and you will see dramatic (and scary) examples. The different lithium battery chemistries do vary somewhat in their propensities to catch fire (looks like an explosion).
The proper way to dispose is to totally discharge the battery (to about zero volts) and then discard in trash. The discharge can be accompished by running leads from the postive and negative terminals into salt water and leaving for about ten days.
Overcharging, shorting and damage all can result in lithium battery fires (look like explosions).
A car submerged in salt water would effectively be a short: fire results.
And the vapors coming off the li reaction aren't particularly good to breath either.
Have to issue a clarification here: Discharge by normal methods as far as you can and then use the salt water method. This method applies to consumer type cells.
An individual cell or two isn’t going to explode from a salt water short, however. That is when you’ve got an entire bank shorted like in the car. Tremendous current there.
Here where I live we have a nice, large creek where people have always liked to fish and canoe. There are a lot of houses along the banks that are in the flood plain and during stretches of wet weather there have been houses that burned down while surrounded by water on all sides. The locals sometimes refer to this as,”The flood wire got across the insurance wire and the short circuit caused the fire.”
PS: Pure lithium is stored in oil and you can cut it with a knife it is that soft. It is the color of silver, a little darker.
Lithium batteries are found in laptops, cell phones, etc. They aren’t bombs-in-waiting
I guess you haven’t seen the videos of laptops going up in smoke. The problem is the batteries in cars are very large and have a lot of energy stored.
Karmas are a bitch. (Was sure someone would’ve posted that one by now...)
You might want to watch this:
And imagine what’s it’s like if water gets inside an Li battery casing and the casing is trying to contain all the gas that is being rapidly generated.