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16 Fisker Karmas Caught Fire During The Hurricane
Business Insider ^ | 10/31/12 | Alex Davies

Posted on 11/01/2012 2:41:23 AM PDT by Libloather

16 Fisker Karmas Caught Fire During The Hurricane
Alex Davies | Oct. 31, 2012, 11:07 AM

A lot of cars ended up underwater in areas flooded by Hurricane Sandy over the past two days. But for already troubled Fisker, things got worse: Approximately 16 Karmas in Port Newark, New Jersey were submerged, then caught fire.

A witness told Jalopnik the extended-range luxury hybrids were "first submerged in a storm surge and then caught fire, exploded."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fire; fisker; karma; sandy
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1 posted on 11/01/2012 2:41:29 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Did anyone in Breasey Point,NY own one of these things?


2 posted on 11/01/2012 2:53:00 AM PDT by Hiryusan
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To: Hiryusan

A very valid question.


3 posted on 11/01/2012 2:59:35 AM PDT by wita
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To: Hiryusan
A good looking vehicle. However, the technology it utilizes hasn't yet matured to the level of its looks. Proof of concept and real-condition viability hasn't yet gelled.


4 posted on 11/01/2012 3:15:57 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Libloather

Oh boy. Could that have started the whole fire???


5 posted on 11/01/2012 3:17:30 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Libloather

Lithium batteries. Lithium is a highly water reactive metal. That why you can’t throw them out in the trash. They set garbage trucks on fire.


6 posted on 11/01/2012 3:19:09 AM PDT by SargeK
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To: Libloather

Wow. That is a shame. Not just the financial screwjob the taxpayers got, but imagine if someone was stranded in one when it flooded.
It’s a gorgeous body, though- almost a 21st century Jag XKE.


7 posted on 11/01/2012 3:20:27 AM PDT by KGeorge
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To: Libloather
Karma

8 posted on 11/01/2012 3:23:14 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: generally

Bad Karma


9 posted on 11/01/2012 3:24:37 AM PDT by MDspinboyredux
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To: KGeorge
It’s a gorgeous body, though- almost a 21st century Jag XKE.

Agreed, nice lines. Unfortunately, like so many gorgeous bodies, the contents leave something to be desired...

10 posted on 11/01/2012 3:28:43 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Heh. So true. ‘High maintenance’ X 100. (LOL & this is even funnier. What is it about getting older that draws us back to the follies of our youth? Sports cars are one of my weaknesses. Thank God for ‘too poor to’)


11 posted on 11/01/2012 3:39:18 AM PDT by KGeorge
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To: Smokin' Joe
It’s a gorgeous body, though- almost a 21st century Jag XKE.

Put an American V-8 and a six-speed in it and I'd buy one in a NY minute.

12 posted on 11/01/2012 3:48:03 AM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Guy with a deep tan is sitting at club house bar with a pale obvious new comer.

Tanned guy, “I came from NYC after my dress factory went up in flames one night. Darn good thing I had insurance, because I couldn’t move those rags for love or money.”

Pale guy, “Well, my sad tale is similar. The exclusive Fiskar Karma dealership I had was in deep trouble. Just no market for $100k plus electric cars. And then that storm Sandy flooded the 16 that just came in. Water flooded the batteries, they caught fire and blew up. Damned good thing I had insurance. So I took the $2 mil and came down here.

Tanned guy after a pause quietly asks, “How the heck do you start a hurricane?”


13 posted on 11/01/2012 3:50:55 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Covenantor

LOL.


14 posted on 11/01/2012 4:00:45 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Covenantor
LOL.

Here in New Jersey we call that "Sicilian lightning."

I have no basis for this other than my own wild speculation, but there's a part of me that wonders if the 100+ homes in Breezy Point that were destroyed by fire actually caught fire by some suspicious means.

Here's my rationale:

1. If your home is in a flood plain, it probably can't be insured for flood damage.

2. Your homeowners' insurance, however, would cover any damage incurred that is not flood-related.

3. If you live 3 feet above sea level and you are facing a hurricane with a 5-10 foot storm surge, wouldn't it be nice if -- by the luck of the Irish -- your home burned to the ground just as the waves began crashing up onto your street?

15 posted on 11/01/2012 4:03:06 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Libloather

Oh, great. You drive through some standing water & BOOM!


16 posted on 11/01/2012 4:17:18 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Agreed, nice lines. Unfortunately, like so many gorgeous bodies, the contents leave something to be desired...

Visual aids are often helpful in understanding difficult subject matter...


17 posted on 11/01/2012 4:18:36 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: spetznaz

Nice looking car but don’t drive it out in the country. This car is so low that if it hits a raccoon or porcupine the underside will be damaged.


18 posted on 11/01/2012 4:49:00 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Libloather

How interesting. A car that turns into a bomb when it gets wet.


19 posted on 11/01/2012 4:55:46 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: KGeorge

Funny, too, as you get older you have less tolerance for the bumps and bangs of a tight suspension...as you age you appreciate ‘em built for comfort, not just speed.


20 posted on 11/01/2012 4:59:51 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Alberta's Child
If your home is in a flood plain, it probably can't be insured for flood damage.

The fed gov sells flood insurance to homes located in flood plains; we lived in a flood plain for 26 years and bought the insurance (NFIP).

21 posted on 11/01/2012 5:04:13 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Libloather

“Consumer Reports Says The 2012 Fisker Karma Is The Most Troublesome Car It’s Ever Tested


22 posted on 11/01/2012 5:15:47 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: SargeK

” Lithium batteries. Lithium is a highly water reactive metal. That why you can’t throw them out in the trash. They set garbage trucks on fire. “

I’ll bet virtutaly none of the American public knows that. I sure didn’t.


23 posted on 11/01/2012 5:26:27 AM PDT by Humble Servant (Work for the most conservative one in the race, and keep up the pressure.)
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To: spetznaz

looks like a Jaguar D to me


24 posted on 11/01/2012 5:33:58 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Hardraade
How interesting. A car that turns into a bomb when it gets wet.

Sure adds an element of excitment to the weekly visit to the car wash.

25 posted on 11/01/2012 5:40:44 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SargeK

I didn’t know that. Thanks!

I thought not throwing the batteries into the garbage was one of those “green” things. Recycle bin stuff.
I just thought batteries shouldn’t be thrown into a fire.
I thought batteries were just batteries. They’re charged or they’re dead.
Now I must see what kind of batteries I have and just stop thinking. LOL

I learned something today. Now I can go back to bed.


26 posted on 11/01/2012 5:42:38 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Humble Servant

It’s not the chemistry, it’s the current. Salt water causes short circuits. I lithium ion battery can can generate massive currents and the heat that accompanies that. They will vaporise their surroundings.


27 posted on 11/01/2012 5:50:41 AM PDT by BillM (.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

:-D I can live with that most of the time. The clutch & the bending over for hours, not so much. (my knees got *remarkably* better after I got an automatic, but I still miss it)


28 posted on 11/01/2012 6:00:46 AM PDT by KGeorge
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To: Libloather

Avoid car washes, don’t drive in heavy rains, don;t rip over extension cord.. safety hazards or what? and they’re Gubamint sanctioned?


29 posted on 11/01/2012 9:00:40 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: MDspinboyredux

Fisker Karma’s gonna get you...


30 posted on 11/01/2012 9:02:09 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SargeK; 1_Rain_Drop; central_va; BillM; Humble Servant; Hardraade; Mister Da
Lithium batteries have caused the fatal crashes of two cargo Boeing 747 Jumbo-Jet aircraft in the two years. Numerous other incidents have highlighted the danger of lithium battery caused infernos. Its only a matter of time before burning lithium batteries bring down a passenger carrying plane.

UPS B-747, Sep 3, 2010, crew perished

Asiana B-747, Jul 28, 2011, crew perished

UPS DC-8, Feb 8, 2006, plane destroyed, crew survived

Emirates B-777, Jul 3, 2012, single laptop battery causes inflight cargo fire, no fatalities

More lithium battery fires near disasters...

Analysts predict battery fire aircraft crashes on average every other year

31 posted on 11/01/2012 9:34:11 AM PDT by XHogPilot
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32 posted on 11/01/2012 9:39:56 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Humble Servant

It is when the battery case is breached and the contents contact water. Search Youtube for “lipoly fire” or similar and you will see dramatic (and scary) examples. The different lithium battery chemistries do vary somewhat in their propensities to catch fire (looks like an explosion).


33 posted on 11/01/2012 9:40:06 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: steve86

The proper way to dispose is to totally discharge the battery (to about zero volts) and then discard in trash. The discharge can be accompished by running leads from the postive and negative terminals into salt water and leaving for about ten days.


34 posted on 11/01/2012 9:42:57 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: steve86

Overcharging, shorting and damage all can result in lithium battery fires (look like explosions).


35 posted on 11/01/2012 9:45:03 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: steve86

A car submerged in salt water would effectively be a short: fire results.


36 posted on 11/01/2012 9:46:17 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: BillM
They will vaporise their surroundings.

And the vapors coming off the li reaction aren't particularly good to breath either.

37 posted on 11/01/2012 9:50:23 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: steve86

Have to issue a clarification here: Discharge by normal methods as far as you can and then use the salt water method. This method applies to consumer type cells.

An individual cell or two isn’t going to explode from a salt water short, however. That is when you’ve got an entire bank shorted like in the car. Tremendous current there.


38 posted on 11/01/2012 9:54:50 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: Alberta's Child

Here where I live we have a nice, large creek where people have always liked to fish and canoe. There are a lot of houses along the banks that are in the flood plain and during stretches of wet weather there have been houses that burned down while surrounded by water on all sides. The locals sometimes refer to this as,”The flood wire got across the insurance wire and the short circuit caused the fire.”


39 posted on 11/01/2012 10:00:02 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Free healthcare is worth FAR LESS than it costs.)
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To: XHogPilot
My CHEM 101 prof did a demo and dropped a small chunk of pure lithium into a small dish of water.. Quite spectacular.

PS: Pure lithium is stored in oil and you can cut it with a knife it is that soft. It is the color of silver, a little darker.

40 posted on 11/01/2012 11:02:16 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BillM

Lithium batteries are found in laptops, cell phones, etc. They aren’t bombs-in-waiting


41 posted on 11/01/2012 11:22:38 AM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: Teacher317

I guess you haven’t seen the videos of laptops going up in smoke. The problem is the batteries in cars are very large and have a lot of energy stored.


42 posted on 11/01/2012 11:34:41 AM PDT by BillM (.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Cute. Doesn't need the little arrow though. Unless you're blond yourself.
43 posted on 11/01/2012 1:19:21 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Libloather

44 posted on 11/01/2012 1:27:28 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (If Obama is an empty chair, then Biden is the whoopee cushion.)
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To: Liz; AT7Saluki

Karmas are a bitch. (Was sure someone would’ve posted that one by now...)


45 posted on 11/01/2012 1:43:50 PM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: BillM

You might want to watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRKK6pliejs&feature=related

And imagine what’s it’s like if water gets inside an Li battery casing and the casing is trying to contain all the gas that is being rapidly generated.


46 posted on 11/01/2012 3:24:50 PM PDT by RatSlayer
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