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US region hit by Sandy slowly resumes daily life, but thousands still trapped in homes
AP via Yahoo News ^ | 11/1/12 | Angela Delli Santi in Belmar, New Jersey; Geoff Mulvihill and Larry Rosenthal in Trenton, New Jersey

Posted on 11/01/2012 5:10:23 AM PDT by Kartographer

People along the battered U.S. East Coast slowly began reclaiming their daily routines Thursday, even as crews searched for victims and tens of thousands remained without power after superstorm Sandy claimed more than 70 lives.

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Tempers flared. A man screamed at emergency officials in Hoboken about why food and water had not been delivered to residents just a few blocks away. The man, who would not give his name, said he blew up an air mattress to float over to a staging area.

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I hope to many this is a teachable moment.
1 posted on 11/01/2012 5:10:28 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

Democrats, Obamatrons, minorities and women hardest hit.

Film at 11.


2 posted on 11/01/2012 5:11:44 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


3 posted on 11/01/2012 5:11:44 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Are these the same that were told by their govenors to evacuate?


4 posted on 11/01/2012 5:18:33 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: Kartographer

Is this flooding deep water or do people just not want to slog through knee deep?


5 posted on 11/01/2012 5:20:37 AM PDT by Rebelbase (The most transparent administration ever is clear as mud.)
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To: Kartographer

Yes it is, I thank the Lord he sent me to Alaska years ago.


6 posted on 11/01/2012 5:21:17 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: Kartographer

Looters disguised as utility workers.

Only 13 arrests.

Political photo-ops.

Just another day in post-Constitution America.


7 posted on 11/01/2012 5:21:30 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Kartographer

“A man screamed at emergency officials in Hoboken about why food and water had not been delivered to residents just a few blocks away”

Like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli?


8 posted on 11/01/2012 5:22:17 AM PDT by Rebelbase (The most transparent administration ever is clear as mud.)
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To: Rebelbase

I wouldn’t want to slog through the water, just think for a minute what’s in it? sewage, chemicals, petroleum,etc... and whats under it ready to cut, scrape, puncture you?


9 posted on 11/01/2012 5:24:07 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Does Hoboken have a lot of Government wards?


10 posted on 11/01/2012 5:25:16 AM PDT by Rebelbase (The most transparent administration ever is clear as mud.)
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To: Kartographer
A man screamed at emergency officials in Hoboken about why food and water had not been delivered to residents just a few blocks away.

And I am sure the media will rush to blame Obama for this just the way they rushed to blame Bush for the delay in getting aid to NOLA that was largely the fault of state and local officials.

Not.

11 posted on 11/01/2012 5:27:33 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Kartographer

I can’t believe it. . .I’m the first one to say it: BUSH’S FAULT!!!!


12 posted on 11/01/2012 5:28:46 AM PDT by McBuff
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To: Rebelbase

Hoboken is an armpit.


13 posted on 11/01/2012 5:32:36 AM PDT by randita
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To: Kartographer

I don’t know there are a lot of white people without power,many without homes, almost a week after Sandy...???


14 posted on 11/01/2012 5:37:42 AM PDT by Leep (Are you smarter than a 7th grade math student and or Barack 0bama?)
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To: Kartographer

For those of us going through this it’s saddening and revealing to find out that FR has its share of aholes. I have seen it in every thread devoted to the storm. And I’ll bet that all of those posting this garbage consider themselves good people.


15 posted on 11/01/2012 5:38:08 AM PDT by sakic
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To: dirtboy

It’s only been a couple of days this fool should have had enough canned goods to last him that long.

Since when does the Government guarantee home delivery of food 2 days after a storm?


16 posted on 11/01/2012 5:41:08 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Kartographer

Forgive the NYT linkage but this is (npi) illuminating:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/10/31/nyregion/where-the-power-is-out-and-returning.html?ref=nyregion

Plain eyeful of where the power’s out.


17 posted on 11/01/2012 5:44:19 AM PDT by HomeAtLast (Please proceed, Governor. To the White House.)
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To: hoosiermama
Are these the same that were told by their govenors to evacuate?

I watched some women on Breezy Point being interviewed on one of the local news programs yesterday afternoon. She was upset because the notice to evacuate wasn't delivered in a strong enough manner.

What a moron.

18 posted on 11/01/2012 5:44:40 AM PDT by Gamecock (Bayonets, Benghazi, Balls, Binders, Big Bird, Birth Control, BS.....)
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To: sakic
I think there are many here who decry those who refuse to help themselves by planning and preparing, not those who could not do so.

Sadly, the parasites and criminals will invite all sorts of crassness upon those good people caught up in this mess with them, as well as grab the majority of airtime and column inches in the media.

I pray you fare well, and things get back to normal for you soon.

19 posted on 11/01/2012 5:49:13 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Gamecock

There was many an ‘expert’ right here on FR who claimed the storm was nothing more than a light spring breeze and soft shower of rain or that there was no danger and the whole thing was made up to ‘save’ ‘Bama’.

That doesn’t even included those who thought ‘Bama’ had conjured up the storm or had used some Super Top Secret weather control machine to create it.

So I am not surprised people didn’t believe anything bad was going to happen.


20 posted on 11/01/2012 5:50:56 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Venturer

“It’s only been a couple of days this fool should have had enough canned goods to last him that long”

Probably they do, but they weren’t smart enough to realize that am electric can opener wasn’t much good with no power. Or that a $20 propane stove might come in handy one day.


21 posted on 11/01/2012 5:59:23 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: Smokin' Joe; sakic
"I think there are many here who decry those who refuse to help themselves by planning and preparing, not those who could not do so."

Exactly! Think on the logistical help it would be to the first responders if only 20% of the people have made provisions to be able help themselves for a week to ten days? How much more that would leave for those truly in need? And there are plenty of aholes that make trouble for those of us that prepare for such eventualities. Check out a prepper thread sometime.
22 posted on 11/01/2012 6:00:03 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Rebelbase
Does Hoboken have a lot of Government wards?

Hoboken is a very wealthy bedroom community for wall streeters. I think Corzine lives there. The waterfront condos are $1MM +. The waterfront is where the flooding is. Very liberal, very wealthy, very spoiled.

23 posted on 11/01/2012 6:03:41 AM PDT by bankwalker (In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: DAC21
Probably they do, but they weren’t smart enough to realize that am electric can opener wasn’t much good with no power. Or that a $20 propane stove might come in handy one day.

P-38 ping!

What about all those trees downed. Firewood!


24 posted on 11/01/2012 6:04:47 AM PDT by WVKayaker ("Mitt Romney couldn't keep up with lies and spin of Barack Obama" - Sarah Palin 10/24)
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To: Kartographer

I would think that enough people have seen some of those TV series of after a disaster, even without zombies people are constantly dirty, thirsty and cold.

There was probably some small amount of education learned in those shows. First off the Feds will collapse, the strong survive especially those with evil inside them, the good often don’t have the balls to deal with evil because they have been indoctrinated for years to not fight back.

To survive one must be mentally prepared for the worst scenario, every minute, every day, combat mode in effect, the weal either will man up....

Or die. They can drag down the strong ones just like a crazed drowning victim.

In summary I strongly suggest everyone adapt to a complete and total independence way of survival, because in a really bad situation there will be nobody to cry for help to. You will have to figure out how to survive, how to defend yourself if necessary and how to reconstruct a better society.


25 posted on 11/01/2012 6:09:57 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: Kartographer
I think something many preppers haven't necessarily considered is that all the preps in the world do you no good if they are under flood water.

Never keep all your eggs in one basket.

A couple of caches of supplies for a couple of days, a bugout bag set for 72 hours (and yes, that's 25 lbs of water, too--for one, in cool weather) can make a huge difference.

26 posted on 11/01/2012 6:10:06 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: WVKayaker
P-38 ping!

I carry a couple on my person, and have taught all the grandkids to use them when I gave them one of their own.

27 posted on 11/01/2012 6:12:28 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I bet preppers in flood areas suddenly consider having inflatable lifeboats in their closets now, especially covered ones that van be used as sleeping quarters on or off dry land.

Though I do not fear flooding at the least where I live I would consider a lifeboat as an emergency shelter in inclement weather, thats the covered types that would be ideal in heavy rain or even some snow.


28 posted on 11/01/2012 6:15:59 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I bet preppers in flood areas suddenly consider having inflatable lifeboats in their closets now, especially covered ones that can be used as sleeping quarters on or off dry land.

Though I do not fear flooding at the least where I live I would consider a lifeboat as an emergency shelter in inclement weather, thats the covered types that would be ideal in heavy rain or even some snow.


29 posted on 11/01/2012 6:17:04 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: Kartographer

Back to normal ?

Here on Long Island 90% have no power, tv or internet - I’m posting from work.
Gasoline is now becoming a problem, very few have gasoline or the power to pump it, those that do have hours long waits.
Sewers are starting to back up into the streets and the military is now guarding the bridges to Long beach, Atlantic Beach and other areas (due to looters).
Supermarkets have no power either and no perishables, and shelves are empty in a lot of stores.


30 posted on 11/01/2012 6:23:12 AM PDT by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

You missed the point the are by FAR more people that are just without power, water, communications and access to those things and supplies than there are people who’s houses have been completely destroyed. If the people like that have the ability to take care of themselves for a few days how much more does that leave for those who lost all? I also think you underestimate preppers, if they thought far enough ahead to prep, don’t you think they would think far enough ahead to protect their preps? If you buy a gun for protection isn’t it a given that you would think far enough ahead to have ammunition for the weapon and training on how to use it?


31 posted on 11/01/2012 6:25:53 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: PMAS; appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

I pray that God see you through this time of trouble.

Preppers see Post #30


32 posted on 11/01/2012 6:29:27 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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Looking at the TV coverage this morning it was starting to look like Katrina after a couples of days. Where’s FEMA?


33 posted on 11/01/2012 6:35:24 AM PDT by McGruff (Obama lied. Heroes died.)
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To: McGruff

FEMA is probably negotiating with the unions to see who will deliver the emergency supplies.


34 posted on 11/01/2012 6:37:20 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: PMAS
Prayers up for you and yours.

/johnny

35 posted on 11/01/2012 6:43:21 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer
...tens of thousands remained without power

The AP is giving false information about the recovery here.

There are millions at this moment without power, not tens of thousands.

And I see no mention of the tens of thousands who have a foot or more of water in their house. That would anybody who is below 12-15 feet above sea level on the entire coast of LI, NYC and NJ down to AC.

The media is hiding the slow recovery just like they are hiding Behghazi just before the election.

And we have even some Freepers here who are falling for it.

36 posted on 11/01/2012 6:45:16 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: McGruff

There are FEMA people down by Atlantic Beach and Long Beach on the South Shore of Long Island - from what I am told by family members, they are taking claims, seeing what people need, etc.


37 posted on 11/01/2012 6:45:30 AM PDT by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: PMAS
Back to normal ? Here on Long Island 90% have no power, tv or internet - I’m posting from work. Gasoline is now becoming a problem, very few have gasoline or the power to pump it, those that do have hours long waits. Sewers are starting to back up into the streets and the military is now guarding the bridges to Long beach, Atlantic Beach and other areas (due to looters). Supermarkets have no power either and no perishables, and shelves are empty in a lot of stores.

Amen brother. Tell these folks the truth about what's going on here.

38 posted on 11/01/2012 6:47:59 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

I can’t see what going on in the news (no tv or internet at home - only at work), but things are now moving from bad to worse.
The radio is not reporting how it really is starting to get, all they talk about is that fat bastard Christie & Obama - and now 0bama is off to Las Vegas again.


39 posted on 11/01/2012 6:58:11 AM PDT by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: Smokin' Joe
On Ebay:

P38 Can Openers (Case of 500) - New


40 posted on 11/01/2012 7:01:16 AM PDT by WVKayaker ("Mitt Romney couldn't keep up with lies and spin of Barack Obama" - Sarah Palin 10/24)
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To: Kartographer

And what did President Obama do to help the people prepare for this? He took a Joy Ride down to Florida and back just for photo opts!


41 posted on 11/01/2012 7:03:34 AM PDT by jacob allen
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To: Rebelbase; Kartographer
Is this flooding deep water or do people just not want to slog through knee deep?

Are you presuming this is CLEAN water???????

Slogging through toe deep sewage can lead to sepsis if you have a break in the skin.

After just having dealt with a MRSA infection myself, no thanks.

If folks don't want to risk wading through filthy, contaminated, likely disease ridden sewage, I'll cut them some slack.

42 posted on 11/01/2012 7:04:42 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Thank you, we are good for now - one of the few that have power, but possibly no water soon because of the sewer system for my area.


43 posted on 11/01/2012 7:05:54 AM PDT by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: Kartographer

Here’s how prepping pays off in the real world:

Our daughter goes to college in NJ in an area directly and badly affected by Sandy. After two days of limping along, the University president (who had been doing a great job of keeping parents and students informed) issued a statement that amounted to “get your kids home; we will run out of food and are concerned for their safety as the surrounding community remains un-supplied and unrelieved.” Wow. We live in GA, and she in NJ.

Being “prepped” meant that we had real options.

(1) we (and our daughter) had plenty of cash on hand. The ATMs in the area do not operate.
(2) I was able to book her on a flight home this afternoon, but in case that flight does not go ...
(3) we have the 4X4 vehicle, 300 miles of extra gas in travel safe containers, food, supplies, generator, inverter, ‘defensive measures’, hand tools and paper maps ... and barter items ... ready on the hot deck. If her flight does NOT go out this afternoon, we can launch this evening and be there for dawn tomorrow.
(4) locals friends (prior arrangements) got her out of the danger zone last night to a private residence near the airport. If the SHTF near the University, that’s 15 miles away in the other direction.
(5) A co-worker and former Marine (chinook tail gunner) is ready to be picked up on the way in if we we need to execute an ugly extraction.

Realization has set in with the locals - they know now this is gonna take a while, and supplies ARE running out. People are moving from ‘oh well’ to anger in the surrounding neighborhoods. Next phase is desperation.

Being “prepped” means our Princess will be safe via a variety of means BECAUSE we and she were “prepped”.

May God have mercy on all involved.


44 posted on 11/01/2012 7:11:27 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: sakic

Well, how about I pile on and give you even more reason to express your self righteous outrage. I propose that the federal government, instead of distributing funds so that property owners along the beaches and nearby low lying areas can rebuild, buy out these people at fair market value. Then, the government can bull doze all the debris and return the area to its natural state. Btw, I’m not targeting just the northeast corrorider. This goes on (frequently) along the Mississippi River, the Red River in the northern plains, other places. Guess I’m saying that stupid and irresponsible conduct shouldn’t be incentivized. There you go, take your best shot, lol :)


45 posted on 11/01/2012 7:13:35 AM PDT by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: Eye of Unk
To survive one must be mentally prepared for the worst scenario,...

As Adm. James Stockdale put it, after spending several years checked-in at the Hanoi Hilton,

This is a very important lesson. You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be.

46 posted on 11/01/2012 7:14:12 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Eye of Unk
Yes it is, I thank the Lord he sent me to Alaska years ago.

Where you only have to worry about ...


47 posted on 11/01/2012 7:18:22 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring; Eye of Unk
Don't forget....

48 posted on 11/01/2012 7:36:01 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: PMAS
Back to normal ?

Here on Long Island 90% have no power, tv or internet - I’m posting from work.
Gasoline is now becoming a problem, very few have gasoline or the power to pump it, those that do have hours long waits.
Sewers are starting to back up into the streets and the military is now guarding the bridges to Long beach, Atlantic Beach and other areas (due to looters).
Supermarkets have no power either and no perishables, and shelves are empty in a lot of stores.


Thanks for the blast of reality.

NJ.com News

Aerial photos from NJ national guard
49 posted on 11/01/2012 7:39:03 AM PDT by khelus
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To: Kartographer
So I am not surprised people didn’t believe anything bad was going to happen.

Part of the problem was that Sandy was "just" a Cat 1. The Saffir Simpson scale is based on wind speed and wind damage and ignores surge, and in the cases of Katrina, Charley, Ike and Sandy, the surge was a full two categories above what would normally be expected from wind speed alone.

When it comes to surge, size does matter. The wider the storm's windfield, the more water it gets moving. Posters who follow hurricane threads on FR know that by now. There is even a new proposed scale called IKE - Integrated Kinetic Energy - and Sandy had the highest IKE rating in history. As the Jersey Shore, NYC and Long Island found out the hard way.

But I also do agree, there were some folks belittling the NHC forecast strength for a variety of reasons, and even now there are some downplaying how severe this storm was. Pretty pathetic, especially in hindsight.

50 posted on 11/01/2012 7:40:15 AM PDT by dirtboy
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