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More Misdirection from the White House
Weekly Standard ^ | 4:16 PM, Oct 31, 2012 | DANIEL HALPER

Posted on 11/01/2012 10:14:00 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

The White House continues to offer only this line on Benghazi:

The White House on Wednesday shot down rumors that President Obama nixed an operation to rescue U.S. diplomats under attack in Benghazi after former Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich made the claim on national television.

“Neither the President nor anyone in the White House denied any requests for assistance in Benghazi during the attack,” National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor told The Hill via e-mail.

Gingrich told Fox News Tuesday evening that he'd been told by a “fairly reliable” U.S. senator that at least two news networks have emails “from the National Security Adviser’s office telling a counterterrorism group to stand down.” Gingrich qualified the statement, however, saying “I want to be clear, it’s a rumor.”

This is the only line the White House has offered in the last week—a response to rumors. Here's the reason: Responding to rumors allows the White House to go after a straw man. It was always unlikely the president and the White House would have explicitly denied a request for assistance during the attack, since it's unlikely such a request would have been presented formally to the White House in the first place if there was a sense the White House wouldn't approve it.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: benghazi; shadowwars; threatmatrix

1 posted on 11/01/2012 10:14:00 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

How is denying a rumor “shooting it down?”


2 posted on 11/01/2012 10:17:02 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: TigersEye; Marine_Uncle; onyx; Travis McGee; Grampa Dave; Carry_Okie; RummyChick

But by NOT issueing a CBA.... nothing outside of Libya moves....right?


3 posted on 11/01/2012 10:19:01 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Cowboy Bob
Well....Hmmm.....beats me.

See my note about the CBA-- Cross Border Authorization.

4 posted on 11/01/2012 10:21:00 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Very carefully written letters will abound so there is no "lying".

I call it Clinton/Pinnochio syndrome.

5 posted on 11/01/2012 10:22:45 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (r)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

OBAMA - “Do whatever you can to save the consulate, under existing standing orders.” (Which happens to NOT INCLUDE the authority to cross international borders with military personnel or equipment.) [hypothetical quote to illustrate weasel opportunity.]

We need a full deposition to get past all the weasel words/parsing.


6 posted on 11/01/2012 10:24:12 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I think the CIA contractor said stand down. This way the WH, DOD or CIA made the decision. Of course there was a discussion between the contractor and CIA or WH or DOD where it was made known what was wanted without saying stand down and the contractor followed through. Perhaps a reporter can ask about them.


7 posted on 11/01/2012 10:29:15 AM PDT by glm
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
“Neither the President nor anyone in the White House denied any requests for assistance in Benghazi during the attack,”

This is probably true. It is also true that they did not provide the necessary PERMISSION to conduct a cross-border operation.

Hence, they are trying to buy time with an ambiguity as cover to get past election day.

8 posted on 11/01/2012 10:29:15 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us choices: convert or kill, submit or die.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Over the last few days, I’ve developed my own pet theory about what transpired in Benghazi.

I don’t think the Islamist militias that attacked the cosulate on 9/11 did so to kill Stevens and the other personnel there. I think they were looking for something.

I think that rumors had filtered out that Stevens was assisting with the transport of shoulder-fired SAMs and other goodies on to Turkish vessels that then transported the weapons to Syria. I think it was understood that the US had a stockpile of those weapons secured in the days after Qadaffi fell, and were disposing of them to “friends”. I think that was the primary business of the so-called “consulate” and especially the CIA safehouse compound a mile away. I think those militias wanted those weapons for themselves and went after them.

This would also explain the reluctance of Panetta, Hillary and 0’s Nat. Security team to intervene. I think they had a pretty good idea what the militias were after, and I think they were afraid that they had succeeded. It’s one thing to deny help to an ambassador and some CIA guys while Muslim fanatics shoot up the place. It’s another to have US combat aircraft shot down by SAMs during a fire fight. During an election. On the 9/11 annaversary. I think Panetta and Petraeus thought the militia men had the SAMs and decided that they weren’t going to give them a target to shoot at.

And if that meant a few dead Americans, so be it. They could always cook up a story about a video and mobs out of control. It wasn’t “optimal,” but it was the best they could do.

9 posted on 11/01/2012 10:40:35 AM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

You really have to be careful about what you say and write when your guilty conscience reminds you that there could be an impeachment or tribunal. If you’ve been honest and doing the country’s work, and not your own, then you can just talk freely.


10 posted on 11/01/2012 10:44:50 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“It was always unlikely the president and the White House would have explicitly denied a request for assistance during the attack, since it’s unlikely such a request would have been presented formally to the White House in the first place if there was a sense the White House wouldn’t approve it.”

This is NONSENSE!

THEY WERE DYING asking to be rescued!!!!
It’s not like a budget request, where you precoordinate and hope for a nod, to make the formal request.


11 posted on 11/01/2012 10:50:59 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Cowboy Bob
"How is denying a rumor “shooting it down?”

I think you've got it right on the money there! Sad, at the very least.

12 posted on 11/01/2012 10:58:25 AM PDT by hummingbird (Obama campaigns right in our faces. Doesn't bother him at all, does it?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Obama will deny, deny, lie, lie... based on word games...


13 posted on 11/01/2012 11:06:04 AM PDT by Fully Awake DAV (Navy Vet when homosexuality was not tolerated)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I have repeatedly quizzed my husband, USNA graduate, former CIA, and he stands with his opinion, that only the Marxist could have given the stand down order, which the military would follow. The Marxist and his regime have lied since the beginning and apparently nobody in the know is willing to be a patriot to come forward to tell the truth, before the election.
14 posted on 11/01/2012 11:06:11 AM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“Neither the President nor anyone in the White House denied any requests for assistance in Benghazi during the attack,”

The real question should be, “Why didn’t anyone APPROVE the assistance.”


15 posted on 11/01/2012 11:08:43 AM PDT by Suz in AZ
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"But by NOT issueing a CBA.... nothing outside of Libya moves....right?"
That is what we are told from some who know the ROE. Which obviously can make sense. But who knows what the real rules are when say CIA carry's out clandestine operations.
16 posted on 11/01/2012 11:15:14 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: onyx

Absolutely! Anyone who has worked in that environment (either totally or on the fringe) knows this to be fact. Plausible dependability. My guess is the public statements that Obama said he told his advisor’s was never in writing. Also, everything Obama says verbally must be restated by his minions, because what he says and what it means, is always restated.


17 posted on 11/01/2012 11:20:09 AM PDT by Fully Awake DAV (Navy Vet when homosexuality was not tolerated)
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To: Fully Awake DAV

If he issued no order, he left the military in the lurch, which, (I think), would be the same as a stand down order.


18 posted on 11/01/2012 11:30:57 AM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: mojito

Yes, that is very plausible, and could have lots of variations too. I read that the CIA also had stashes of cash.

In addition Putin had made clear that he did not want these heavy armaments given to the Syrian rebels. Always possible the Russians co-ordinated with Iranians to make sure that those weapons stayed in Libya.

Many variations on your theory. I have felt from the start that the CIA mission is an important part of the story, and that every effort will be made to hide it from the public and the world.


19 posted on 11/01/2012 11:42:05 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

That’s correct. Obama might never have said the words, “Stand down the rescue mission.”

But if he refused to grant cross-border authority, the rescue is not allowed to get off the ground, literally, in Sigonella where the rescue SOFs were staging.

Rats using semantics, half-truths, etc. Bastards.

And it’s all provable. If he gave an execute order for a rescue mission with cross border authority, messages went everywhere. It’s the most provable fact in the entire case.

If only a reporter would ask him.


20 posted on 11/01/2012 12:00:46 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

21 posted on 11/01/2012 12:21:31 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Travis McGee
But by NOT issueing a CBA.... nothing outside of Libya moves....right?

That is my understanding. The POTUS alone can pull that trigger. Panetta may have the authority to say 'no.' Gen. Ham may have the authority to say 'no' within his theater of command. Only the POTUS can say 'yes!'

Now if the POTUS said 'yes' no one would have the authority to countermand that. So, we know that 0coward did not say 'yes.'

22 posted on 11/01/2012 1:45:24 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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