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Gasoline crunch deepens, NYC taxi firms run out of fuel
Reuters via Yahoo ^ | 1/1/12 | David Sheppard and Suzanne Barlyn

Posted on 11/01/2012 12:07:04 PM PDT by Kartographer

New York taxi and car service companies started pulling vehicles off the road on Thursday as the fuel crunch deepened, with the vast majority of storm-hit service stations in the greater New York area now out of gasoline or without power.

Outages and fuel shortages have forced many gasoline stations to shut, and now threaten efforts in New York and New Jersey to get back to business after Hurricane Sandy.

Large numbers of homes and businesses that have lost power are also reliant on gasoline- or diesel-run generators, including many of the Wall Street banks in lower Manhattan.

(Excerpt) Read more at finance.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New Jersey; US: New York
KEYWORDS: hurricane; sandy
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You can believe what you want to believe, but between the 'read-between-the-lines' stuff in the news and the firsthand accounts coming in from FReepers. This thing is going nuclear very soon!
1 posted on 11/01/2012 12:07:12 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

It’s all Bush’s fault.


2 posted on 11/01/2012 12:10:45 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Kartographer

But, but, but...bad things like this can’t happen under Obama’s hurricane response only George W. Bushes! Unlike Bush Obama cares about people! So the gas pumps should magically refill with the power of “hope and change”, maybe the people waiting in lines aren’t “hoping” hard enough?


3 posted on 11/01/2012 12:11:00 PM PDT by apillar
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To: apillar
I'm betting by election day, Obama’s name will be being cursed as hard as GWB’s was a week after Katrina hit. The difference is the media won't report it, as soon as things start going south with the disaster recovery and tempers start to flare, it will dropped from the news like it never happened.
4 posted on 11/01/2012 12:13:12 PM PDT by apillar
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To: Kartographer

Well, just plug in your Prius.....oh....neve rmind.


5 posted on 11/01/2012 12:14:12 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: apillar

Oh to have a bicycle and carrier business today in NYC! You could rack it up baby and get uptown pretty good time too if you are in good shape!


6 posted on 11/01/2012 12:14:22 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: Kartographer

It’s all kumbaya until one has no access to gas for three or four days. Worse if no access to ac or heat too.


7 posted on 11/01/2012 12:14:45 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (People will vote for Obama to replace a god that they don't believe in)
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To: Kartographer

Shortages happen when you have anti-gouging laws.

Imagine if prices were allowed to rise during a shortage. It would encourage conservation by consumers. Most importantly, selling gasoline would be much more profitable in NY than in the rest of the country. This would encourage suppliers to ship gasoline into NY from other parts of the country to take advantage of those profits. This would help stabilize prices and direct the vital resource to where it is most needed.


8 posted on 11/01/2012 12:16:46 PM PDT by arista
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To: Kartographer

How can this ever be? Our Dear Leader is doing such a wonderful job taking care of this!! My government and all the TV networks told me so!


9 posted on 11/01/2012 12:18:24 PM PDT by JustaCowgirl (Storm the heavens with your prayers for Mitt Romney tonight.)
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To: Kartographer

But I thought under Obama the ocean levels were going to recede. Guess that didn’t happen off of NY or NJ.


10 posted on 11/01/2012 12:18:53 PM PDT by Fair Paul
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To: arista

“Imagine if prices were allowed to rise during a shortage. It would encourage conservation by consumers. Most importantly, selling gasoline would be much more profitable in NY than in the rest of the country. This would encourage suppliers to ship gasoline into NY from other parts of the country to take advantage of those profits. This would help stabilize prices and direct the vital resource to where it is most needed.”

I enjoyed your comment - Very well said. A market price reflects the relative value associated with a product. In fact, the mere possibility of recovering high prices may provide incentive for individuals and for business (who would be incurring storage and inventory costs) to create stand-by inventory of needed products just on the possibility there is an emergency at which time the products may be sold at higher prices to recover costs and make a profit.


11 posted on 11/01/2012 12:23:52 PM PDT by Stat-boy
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To: Kartographer

WHERE IS FEMA? DOESN’T OBAMA CARE?


12 posted on 11/01/2012 12:25:26 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Why not eliminate the middle man and have whoever feeds Obama his lines debate Romney directly?")
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To: apillar
Barrack was smart to get in ond out before the shock turns to anger.

The worst is yet to be seen when the lines to buy gasoline grow longer. A lot of gasoline will have water in it.

Then will come the scam artists who are there to do "repairs."

And Christie will be blamed because he was too quick to take credit for nothing...the day after the storm. He looks incompetent to me. All talk because he doesn't know what to do !

13 posted on 11/01/2012 12:25:28 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Kartographer

I heard Janet Nappy earlier on the radio. She said she’s on top of it. /s


14 posted on 11/01/2012 12:28:13 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Kartographer

Yes it is.

Watch what happens when hundreds or thousands of cars run out of gas sitting in the middle of the road. Gas or no gas they won’t be going anywhere.


15 posted on 11/01/2012 12:28:47 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Kartographer

Can’t those folks simply check the air pressure in their tires?

I suspect this is going to get far worse, very soon.


16 posted on 11/01/2012 12:30:34 PM PDT by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Romney & Ryan.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: IMR 4350

Not to mention.....it’s cold and people want the gas for generators.


17 posted on 11/01/2012 12:30:57 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Kartographer

Is it a looters’ paradise yet?


18 posted on 11/01/2012 12:35:41 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Kartographer

Gasoline has become scarce, the ploice are now monitoring the 2 gas stations near my work by the Long Island-Queens border - these are the only 2 stations around that have gas.

There are also a few cars on the side of the parkways stranded without gas.


19 posted on 11/01/2012 12:45:15 PM PDT by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: Gator113

Agree...I’m he in NJ and have believed this since the start...this is 2 days away from going in a very bad direction..If things are not back to some semblance of functionality by Monday, it is not going to be pretty...


20 posted on 11/01/2012 12:48:24 PM PDT by usafa92 (Conservative in Jersey)
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To: Kartographer

What is the federal government doing right now about relief efforts? Anyone know anything specific?


21 posted on 11/01/2012 12:51:04 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
They are also going to be running out of food and with roads blocked no way to get more food in.

A lot of people in the inner cities depend on restaurants for their food.

I have a feeling they are about to learn the value of the 2nd amendment.

22 posted on 11/01/2012 12:54:07 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Vince Ferrer
What is the federal government doing right now about relief efforts? Anyone know anything specific?

Probably writing position papers to guide policy statements to facilitate discussions on cross-jurisdictional issues vis-a-vis preparing the IT reporting systems for complying with OSHA and EEOC requirements in the pre-bidding of reconstruction contracts.
23 posted on 11/01/2012 12:54:58 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NonValueAdded

The good news is I read a lot of the comments, they’re onto Obama. They realize he had his photo op and now they’re on their own, with no help from FEMA as promised. People are waking up.

Interesting comment, a few were talking about going green and not having the problem if they had. One poster chimes in and says I’d use my electric car, if I had gas to run my generator so I could charge it.


24 posted on 11/01/2012 1:06:22 PM PDT by memyselfandi59
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To: Kartographer

We just got back from Stroudsburg Pennsylvania to hunt for gas. We went off the beaten track, had to wait in line only a 30 mins to fill our tank and two 5 gal gas cans. Right off Rt. 80 the lines were insane.

Yesterday, the NJ State Police were guarding a Shell Station off rt. 80 in Allamuchy, NJ as well as many other stations in Morris County. It’s horrific out there!

I fear as time goes by and power outages continue this is gonna explode.

“Down the Shore” it’s a war zone. My daughter says it’s devastating, they are pulling bodies out of homes and waterways. She and her husband,spent the morning helping clean out Mackey’s Marina. Mr. Mackey has lost his home but is buying everyone coffee and lunch. Everytime I speak to her she breaks down in tears, her friends and neighbors have lost everything.

Right now she has no job, no power no work. It’s hard to listen...so sad.

God bless everyone down there!


25 posted on 11/01/2012 1:08:20 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes mandatory- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Kartographer

By Monday martial law will be in place....


26 posted on 11/01/2012 1:08:55 PM PDT by databoss
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To: Kartographer

Romney needs to run a commercial showing his number 1 goal is energy Independence - Drill baby Drill !!!


27 posted on 11/01/2012 1:17:04 PM PDT by 11th_VA (Keep your laws OFF my Big Gulp !)
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To: usafa92

I’m in Northern VA - no big lines yet but many pumps are dry. Just filled all my cars. I think a lot of people missed the last news cycle - out for Holloween. Now reality is about to catch up.


28 posted on 11/01/2012 1:24:08 PM PDT by 11th_VA (Keep your laws OFF my Big Gulp !)
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To: IMR 4350

Really good point.


29 posted on 11/01/2012 1:37:06 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: arista

Nice try but until today when the EPA lifted its’ “designer blends” mandate, it was illegal to ship gasoline into New York from another state.


30 posted on 11/01/2012 1:50:44 PM PDT by anoldafvet (One million people attended Obama's inauguration, 14 of them missed work)
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To: databoss

How long before someone gets killed for a 5 gallon can of gas?


31 posted on 11/01/2012 2:02:12 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: anoldafvet
Nice try but until today when the EPA lifted its’ “designer blends” mandate, it was illegal to ship gasoline into New York from another state. Obviously, anti-gouging laws are not the only regulations that prevent the market from working.
32 posted on 11/01/2012 2:07:01 PM PDT by arista
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To: anoldafvet
Nice try but until today when the EPA lifted its’ “designer blends” mandate, it was illegal to ship gasoline into New York from another state.

Obviously, anti-gouging laws are not the only regulations that prevent the market from working.

33 posted on 11/01/2012 2:07:13 PM PDT by arista
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To: Kartographer

Now the National Guard is guarding the gas stations here by my work - the line is 1 mile long long and 3 hour wait.


34 posted on 11/01/2012 2:15:00 PM PDT by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: PMAS

Just finished posting about that:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2953414/posts


35 posted on 11/01/2012 2:25:18 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

This could get ugly if it continues through next week


36 posted on 11/01/2012 2:31:05 PM PDT by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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You can believe what you want to believe, but between the 'read-between-the-lines' stuff in the news and the firsthand accounts coming in from FReepers. This thing is going nuclear very soon!

I believed this would happen from the beginning, especially when ConEd cut the power. I am continually amazed at the lack of imagination on the part of people, elected officials and emergency management.

This scenario was foreseeable based on only one factor and then the resulting cascade. Without power, high density urban society collapses immediately.

Modern urban dwellers (and others) have been lulled into a technology trap. They have replaced a minimum of self-sufficiency with the false god of dependency. Many of these problems could have been easily mitigated with a basic degree of individual preparation. Three days is a nice start, but nevertheless it is folly. Two weeks worth of preps would have allowed the modern urban society to begin to get back on it's feet while minimizing the human tragedy.

This entire crisis was predicable.
37 posted on 11/01/2012 3:10:15 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: PA Engineer; kearnyirish2; Marcella; metmom; JRandomFreeper; ansel12; bgill; Eye of Unk
"This entire crisis was predicable."

And yet some of my preparedness threads have prep scoffers showing up on the even now, with a prefect example right before their eyes.
38 posted on 11/01/2012 3:18:29 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: alice_in_bubbaland; Kartographer

Photos of the NJ shore.

25 Incredible Pictures Of Hurricane Sandy’s Destruction In New Jersey
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/incredible-pictures-of-hurricane-sandys-new-jerse

Sandy Devastates NJ
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/sandy-devastates-new-jersey-slideshow/


39 posted on 11/01/2012 3:50:57 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
Go look at Drudge what's up now. They are dumpster diving.

I think this could get real nasty real quick.

40 posted on 11/01/2012 4:07:13 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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-— I think this could get real nasty real quick. ——

I saw Obama in his presidentin’ jacket, so everything’s cool.


41 posted on 11/01/2012 4:09:12 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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-— Most importantly, selling gasoline would be much more profitable in NY than in the rest of the country. This would encourage suppliers to ship gasoline into NY from other parts of the country to take advantage of those profits. ——

Yes, YES! A thousand times, YES!!!

Yeah, it pisses me off too.

And its not really funny. Lives hang in the balance.


42 posted on 11/01/2012 4:12:15 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
I saw Obama in his presidentin’ jacket, so everything’s cool.

Yep, Governor Christie said so.

43 posted on 11/01/2012 4:13:29 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: IMR 4350

Goodness me. Reminds me of Escape from New York.


44 posted on 11/01/2012 4:16:46 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Kartographer

-— How long before someone gets killed for a 5 gallon can of gas? -—

How long before a candle starts a fire in a high rise? Without sprinklers, it will be hell on earth.

High rises without power should be emptied immediately. By force, if necessary.


45 posted on 11/01/2012 4:18:13 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

A just where do you plan to put all those people?


46 posted on 11/01/2012 5:49:42 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Remember 9/11? Anything’s better than being in a burning high-rise.


47 posted on 11/01/2012 8:37:10 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Kartographer

Yup. I could not find one open station tonight. Scary.


48 posted on 11/01/2012 8:41:41 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

It’s coming. I got word tonight we are rationed to 10 gallons a car now.


49 posted on 11/01/2012 8:43:59 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

So you going to put them on the street in the cold and the rain and now you have snow in the forecast? Yeah that will work.


50 posted on 11/01/2012 9:16:16 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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