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State troopers are called into guard gas stations as drivers face massive lines
UK Daily Mail ^ | 11/1/12 | Beth Stebner

Posted on 11/01/2012 2:21:02 PM PDT by Kartographer

State troopers have been dispatched to gas stations along the New Jersey turnpike to supervise Sandy survivors already shaken by the storm as authorities anticipate the tempers to grow as fuel supplies diminish.

They are again being tested yet again by dangerously dwindling gas supplies amid massive blackouts, leftover from Monday’s killer storm. Throughout New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut, gas is running out, and many stations within the city are additionally crippled, as they have no power.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New Jersey; US: New York
KEYWORDS: hurricane; sandy

Sign of the times: Motorists hoping to fill up at a Sunoco gas station on the Garden State Parkway in Montvale, New Jersey, had no choice but to stop and wait
Trying to stock up: People line up to fill gas containers at the New Jersey Turnpike's Thomas A. Edison service area, near Woodbridge
1 posted on 11/01/2012 2:21:06 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

Welcome Back Carter.

2 posted on 11/01/2012 2:22:29 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Kartographer

Reminds me of the 70s.


3 posted on 11/01/2012 2:22:49 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Kartographer

I wonder how long it will take before chaos ensues?

At least Obama is in charge, and as King of the North East, he can save, help, feed, clothe, bath, heat everyone! Bring on the cake, and here, vote for me...

Obama will soon regret ever getting involved in this mess. He should have been letting the Mayors, Governors, FEMA, National Guard run the show, with his unwavering financial support. Axe and you shall recieve, but I’ll leave it up to you experts.....that are there, and on the ground.


4 posted on 11/01/2012 2:25:38 PM PDT by Professional
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To: dfwgator

Bravo! History has a great sense of humor, along with repeating itself. Benghazi is like Iran affair, now this, the bad economy.

What is also really funny, is that for all the criticism Bush got, the Dems claimed they could do better. Well, they had all these years to improve disaster response, study Katrina, but the fact remains, that disasters are terrible things, and nothing can alleviate the pain, cost. What comes around, goes around and vice versa and all that...


5 posted on 11/01/2012 2:28:12 PM PDT by Professional
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To: Kartographer

And after yesterday and today, Obama owns this mess. hehe


6 posted on 11/01/2012 2:29:32 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: Kartographer

This sorry excuse for a President we now have has done everything in his power to cripple the country with limited gasoline supplies and high fuel prices; trying to replace our automobiles with tin-can electric vehicles that burst into flames at the drop of a hat. Where does he think ELECTRICITY comes from? Unicorn farts? Magic unicorn farts?! - He still retains the liberal dream of vehicles that run on unicorn farts and windmills as far as the eye can see. Can you imagine the tangled mass of windmills in the wake of this hurricane? - Honestly, I agree with Rush; I cannot stomach to hear another sound byte featuring the Teleprompter Reader!


7 posted on 11/01/2012 2:31:12 PM PDT by Twinkie (REMEMBER BENGHAZI !!!!)
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To: Mears

Just need a leisure suit and the Bee Gees.


8 posted on 11/01/2012 2:54:03 PM PDT by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: dfwgator

Look at the price at the pump then! And we still complained it was to d@rn high! Boy,we’re we spoiled! n/s


9 posted on 11/01/2012 3:02:15 PM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kuffir!)
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To: Kartographer

Didn’t learn a thing from Katrina. How many days did they have to get containers of gasoline, fill up cars, buy food, blankets, plywood, batteries? If my house was flooded tonight we’d get along for 2-4 weeks without ever having to hit the stores. Geesh. Don’t people know how to plan any more? Silver-lining; Obama gets to be the scapegoat this time. Karma ain’t a nice lady.


10 posted on 11/01/2012 3:05:28 PM PDT by CH3CN (Two in the bush saves nine.)
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To: lightman
Bee Gees - Alone



             


Ain't FR grand ? !



11 posted on 11/01/2012 3:08:53 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: CH3CN
How many days did they have to get containers of gasoline, fill up cars, buy food, blankets, plywood, batteries?

Pretty much everyone I know at the Shore filled their cars, bought gallons and gallons of water, a week or more of food supplies, bought batteries and boarded up their houses.

All the batteries were gone the Thursday before Sandy, by the way.

The main thing 90% of these people need is gas, not the other stuff.

You can only store so much gasoline in a home which could get crushed in a storm before you start creating a whole other set of hazards.

12 posted on 11/01/2012 3:17:16 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Do away with the absurd price gouging laws, and supplies will pour into the area. Also, higher prices cause people to conserve so that there is more for everybody.

Whenever government tries to make things “fair”, it always makes things worse. The market works when it is allowed to work. Prices are real, so keeping them artificially low causes shortages. One would think people could figure this out after all these centuries.


13 posted on 11/01/2012 3:23:47 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: lightman

The 70s had THE WORST clothing ever,and all man-made fabrics that were like wearing plastic bags in the summer.

The music was the best,including the Bee Gees.

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14 posted on 11/01/2012 3:25:35 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Mears

Be prepared for gas prices to go up everywhere.


15 posted on 11/01/2012 3:26:45 PM PDT by Terry Mross (To former friends and relatives. Don't ever contact me if you still support obama.)
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To: CH3CN

we’d get along for 2-4 weeks without ever having to hit the stores. Geesh. Don’t people know how to plan any more? Silver-lining; Obama gets to be the scapegoat this time. Karma ain’t a nice lady.
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Of course if one has cases of beans, soups, food etc and didn’t have the foresight to buy a MANUAL can opener, all the planning in the world is no good.....Then again, a ‘church key’ can be a handy substitute for a can opener.
Cold bean sandwiches are good...however to many beans may lead to overuse of the ‘loo’ but then again with nearby woods etc etc etc....


16 posted on 11/01/2012 3:28:16 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 BO/ 'Hope', "Hope in one hand and $hiite in the other and see which fills up first".)
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To: wideawake

“You can only store so much gasoline in a home which could get crushed in a storm before you start creating a whole other set of hazards.”

That’s a good point. Thankfully our batteries held out until power came back on; I couldn’t imagine those people that are looking at spending the next few (cold) nights without power.


17 posted on 11/01/2012 3:40:06 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Pining_4_TX

“Do away with the absurd price gouging laws, and supplies will pour into the area.”

These laws are in place for a reason; people on FR b!tch about the inflation under Obama - now imagine 500% inflation in 2 days. The laws we have regarding price gouging are reasonable.


18 posted on 11/01/2012 3:46:42 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Kartographer

Wait a minute.... I thought NJ was a liberal paridise where love and peace rule the day...


19 posted on 11/01/2012 3:47:20 PM PDT by Popman (November 7th...will be a good day for America..)
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To: Kartographer

Where is FEMA? Where is Obama? Where is a teary-eyed Shep Smith? Oh, the huge manatee


20 posted on 11/01/2012 4:13:14 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Why not eliminate the middle man and have whoever feeds Obama his lines debate Romney directly?")
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To: wideawake

You have a point there. I’ve spent weeks snowbound so no one was going anywhere anyway, so no need for gasoline. We heat with wood (still do), no need for gas or electricity. I guess a generator would use gasoline, but the only thing I’d having a hard time doing without is Free Republic. City folks just have it differently.

Having just read about some folks trapped on Coney Island with no food or water, and saying it was worse than Katrina, guess my sympathy dropped a bit low.


21 posted on 11/01/2012 4:38:56 PM PDT by CH3CN (Two in the bush saves nine.)
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To: kearnyirish2
The laws we have regarding price gouging are reasonable.

Disagree. You need incentives to bring high-demand supplies into the area, and the profit motive will do that. "Hey Bill, we could make a killing on bottled water in Jersey, let's load up and go!"

Which would you rather have, drinking water at $5 per gallon, or no drinking water at $2 per gallon?

22 posted on 11/01/2012 5:20:54 PM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Max in Utah

You’re oversimplifying, but then again I’d imagine you have several stations to pick from and they all have gas.

If the state shouldn’t intervene to prevent gouging, then they shouldn’t intervene when the owners are lynched and their gas is appropriated. I guess the looters mentioned on FR are just “nature taking its course”.


23 posted on 11/01/2012 5:36:21 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

No they are not. Prices reflect reality. When something is scarce, the price rises. This causes both a decrease in usage and an increase in supply. In one disaster, some guy loaded up a bunch of generators on a truck and took them to the people who needed them and charged double what he paid for them. And they gladly bought them! Then the local gendarmes arrested him and confiscated his generators. The result - people who needed and wanted generators and were willing to pay for them did not get them.

Price controls always cause shortages, because they do not reflect the true value of the product. Government has no reason to interfere in a voluntary transaction between buyers and sellers. Period.


24 posted on 11/01/2012 10:52:09 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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kearnyirish2 said: "The laws we have regarding price gouging are reasonable."

What amount of time must pass until it would be legal to raise prices? Never?

If, at the price dictated by government, the owner does not wish to sell, will the government force the owner to sell?

If the owner of a gas station decides to rent a tanker himself and take the risk of obtaining additional supplies, but only manages to get the supplies to where they are needed after the emergency passes and the retail price returns to "normal", who pays for that additional cost?

25 posted on 11/02/2012 12:39:31 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell

If you were familiar with the laws you would realize they are allowed to raise prices; there is simply a limit as to how much they can raise them during an emergency. The government doesn’t set their price; the stations do. The laws limit how much they can be increased.


26 posted on 11/02/2012 2:02:31 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Under the gouging laws prices can rise; they are limited in what percentage they can rise during a crisis.

Generators aren’t regulated in the same manner that gasoline (or even milk) is by the government, so I’m not sure why the situation you described took place.

I believe the gouging laws are a way for the government, which clearly should have ordered more evacuations in this case than they did, to protect the most vulnerable; otherwise the ugly situation would get much uglier very quickly (and the gougers would be praying for that same governmnet to rescue them from the mob).


27 posted on 11/02/2012 2:10:22 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2
kearnyirish2 said: "If you were familiar with the laws you would realize they are allowed to raise prices;"

From http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2953909/posts :

Exhibit A are laws, like those in New York and New Jersey, prohibiting "price gouging" — defined as a merchant using the demand created by a natural disaster to charge more for items like gasoline, bottled water or generators.

So, by how much can a vendor raise his prices?

28 posted on 11/02/2012 1:57:17 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell

I believe they are allowed to increase the price up to 10%.

Much of the cost of gasoline is tax; NJ has among the lowest gasoline prices in the nation because we have low gasoline taxes.


29 posted on 11/02/2012 2:03:17 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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