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Exasperation builds on Day 3 in storm-stricken NYC
AP via Yahoo News ^ | 11/1/12 | LEANNE ITALIE and MEGHAN BARR

Posted on 11/01/2012 6:13:53 PM PDT by Kartographer

In darkened neighborhoods, people walked around with miner's lamps on their foreheads and bicycle lights clipped to shoulder bags and, in at least one case, to a dog's collar. A Manhattan handyman opened a fire hydrant so people could collect water to flush toilets. "You can clearly tell at the office, or even walking down the street, who has power and who doesn't," said Jordan Spiro, who lives in the blackout zone. "New Yorkers may not be known as the friendliest bunch, but take away their ability to shower and communicate and you'll see how disgruntled they can get."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New Jersey; US: New York
KEYWORDS: humannature; perparedness; preparedness; preppers; prepping
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"Let me tell you something about humans, nephew: They're a wonderful, friendly people - as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working." "But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those friendly, intelligent, wonderful people...will become as nasty and as violent as the most blood-thirsty klingon." Quark from: The Siege of AR-558 (#7.8)" (1998) 
1 posted on 11/01/2012 6:13:54 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

Hummm. I’m sure a lot of them laughed at doomsday preppers.


2 posted on 11/01/2012 6:15:24 PM PDT by lookout88 (.combat officer's dad)
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To: Kartographer

“We’re going to die” Ungrateful New Yorkers Whine

http://asspos.blogspot.com/2012/11/were-going-to-die-ungrateful-new.html


3 posted on 11/01/2012 6:16:50 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Kartographer

Good quote: “I cannot believe the level of whining” one Democrat Party official as he entered a celebrity-studded party at a posh hotel near Times Square where the power is still on. “The President gave some wonderful photo-ops, hugged a lady at the airport and flew over to see the wreckage. What else can you expect?”

This may build to a crescendo by Sunday/Monday.


4 posted on 11/01/2012 6:19:38 PM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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To: Kartographer

WHY HASN’T OBAMA FIXED THIS?????? (sorry, I was channeling the Liberals during Katrina)


5 posted on 11/01/2012 6:20:51 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: Kartographer

Why the exasperation, Manhattanites? Sandy’s given your president an opportunity to look “presidential”! Not what you expected?


6 posted on 11/01/2012 6:20:59 PM PDT by kevao (Is your ocean any lower than it was four years ago?)
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To: Kartographer

One thing we haven’t seen is any mobs headed to the burbs. Maybe it hasn’t occurred to them yet.


7 posted on 11/01/2012 6:24:15 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer

Hey, call algore, Bloomie and the climate change folks who want to waste billions while filling their pockets on that hoax.

I feel very sorry for everyone stuck without power. It’s HORRID!


8 posted on 11/01/2012 6:24:27 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Kartographer

Hey, call algore, Bloomie and the climate change folks who want to waste billions while filling their pockets on that hoax.

I feel very sorry for everyone stuck without power. It’s HORRID!


9 posted on 11/01/2012 6:24:51 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: lookout88

For the money they spent on “miner’s lamps” they could have bought a headlamp for cheaper and used the rest for food.

I kind of doubt they are wearing miner’s lamps.


10 posted on 11/01/2012 6:26:00 PM PDT by ansel12 (Vote, but don't pretend.)
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To: Kartographer
Ok, I'll say it,

"Bush's fault."

I do hope the area will recover well, regardless.

11 posted on 11/01/2012 6:27:34 PM PDT by stboz
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To: onyx

I feel so badly for these people. Especially the ones with no transportation and no food and water stored up.

The food and water should start rolling in very soon. I hope they are using the coast guard.


12 posted on 11/01/2012 6:32:08 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

The stereotypical New Yorker is not going to have a lot of patience with this disaster.


13 posted on 11/01/2012 6:36:04 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!

And people claimed that I use that Star Trek to much. ;-)


14 posted on 11/01/2012 6:39:53 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: All

It is time for the brains of this country to learn how to deal with these disasters, and set up a plan. All the disasters seem to have a similar theme.


15 posted on 11/01/2012 6:41:26 PM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!

And people claimed that I use that Star Trek to much. ;-)


16 posted on 11/01/2012 6:43:08 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: ansel12
I kind of doubt they are wearing miner’s lamps.

Only those below 18...

17 posted on 11/01/2012 6:44:31 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1381 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: lookout88
Hummm. I’m sure a lot of them laughed at doomsday preppers.

I'm a hardcore prepper. But lest we get too full of ourselves, remember the whole neighborhood that burned down. There could have been preppers located there and it didn't do them any good. Look to the Lord and don't laugh at our neighbor's misfortune.

18 posted on 11/01/2012 6:55:21 PM PDT by Starstruck (I refer to the scum on my lake as Obama)
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To: onyx

My best friends husband was called into work at 2am Monday. He and his s-i-l have been pumping water in the city. It just rushes back in. 3 trucks have been swamped and are useless. He’s hoping to get home to sleep and eat sometime this weekend.


19 posted on 11/01/2012 6:55:49 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Kartographer

4 days. its been 4 days!!! tell me that with the storm of the century coming your way and ground zero predicted w 100% accuracy.... that you dont have food blankets and flashlights.God help them in a national emergency.


20 posted on 11/01/2012 7:00:14 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: GeronL

***** ““We’re going to die”” ******

Before it’s over the cold and disease is going to claim more victims ... these folks just don’t know how to take care of themselves.

It is going to get a lot worse before it gets better

TT


21 posted on 11/01/2012 7:00:22 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: Kartographer
You live in a city. You don't know how to change a tire or oil. You don't know how to build a fire. You can't communicate without a cell phone. You can't fix your plumbing. You can't set up your own wifi. You're untrained in basic economics, chemistry, physics and history. You can't prepare food without packages, and aren't even aware that food has to be processed from root or bone before that. You only know and get paid for one very specialized task.

Yet you call me a "hick."

Hat Tip: http://www.livejournal.com/


22 posted on 11/01/2012 7:00:29 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Strange how paranoia can link up with reality now and then." -- Philip K. Dick)
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To: Donnafrflorida

Too many people in too small a space with too much wind and water dumped on them. If you’ve never been to the 5 boroughs, you’d never understand.


23 posted on 11/01/2012 7:04:09 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Iron Munro

Change a tire? I’ve known people who live in NYC and have never owned a car.


24 posted on 11/01/2012 7:07:51 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: DJ MacWoW

They may get hit
again.

http://www.rsmas.miami.edu/blog/2012/11/01/potential-big-storm-for-northeast-u-s-next-week/


25 posted on 11/01/2012 7:08:21 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: TexasTransplant

Sure looks like it


26 posted on 11/01/2012 7:10:20 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Kartographer
Ahh, but Bloomberg will give them a marathon. That will show his love for them!


27 posted on 11/01/2012 7:10:43 PM PDT by Gamecock (Bayonets, Benghazi, Balls, Binders, Big Bird, Birth Control, BS.....)
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To: RummyChick
I saw that. Horrible.......

I lived in Flushing, Queens for 2 years. It's not like any place else. I'm not surprised at the devastation or people left with nothing.

28 posted on 11/01/2012 7:11:19 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: All

The sniveling nitwits at MSNBC roundly criticized Romney for food donations. Seems Romney had a much better handle on what the immediate needs of the people would be than did Uhbamuh, Column Christie and MSNBC.


29 posted on 11/01/2012 7:12:05 PM PDT by WillVoteForFood
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To: DJ MacWoW

I am originally from philly. lived thru 1977 or 1978 blizzard . 8 foot snow drifts. EL and subways shut down. I got it but many AREWoefully unprepared and too many expect gov to parachute in on hour two.


30 posted on 11/01/2012 7:12:05 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Starstruck
"remember the whole neighborhood that burned down. There could have been preppers located there and it didn't do them any good.

Excellent point.

Cities are death traps.

People live like rats in boxes at the mercy of everyone and everything.
Individuals have little control over their own destiny.

The overpopulation swamps every service and every escape route.
It magnifies the effects of every event.

Even a common snowstorm that is taken in stride in suburbs, towns and vllages becomes a mini-disaster when it moves through a city.


31 posted on 11/01/2012 7:12:45 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Strange how paranoia can link up with reality now and then." -- Philip K. Dick)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I am originally from philly. lived thru 1977 or 1978 blizzard . 8 foot snow drifts. EL and subways shut down. I got it but many AREWoefully unprepared and too many expect gov to parachute in on hour two.


32 posted on 11/01/2012 7:13:25 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: ncpatriot

The plan? YOU WILL BE ON YOUR OWN FOR AT LEAST 3 DAYS MAYBE MORE. there is no way to set up a disaster pan that will cover that period. You can’t predict exactly where and when the disaster will occur. So you can’t preposition relief supplies personnel etc. the initial period will be figuring out what’s needed, where its needed and how you are going to get it there.


33 posted on 11/01/2012 7:16:42 PM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence again.t foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: Donnafrflorida

It’s not like Philly. It’s all connected with bridges and tunnels. People don’t own cars, they use the subway, taxis or buses. Most shop in neighborhood bodegas. Even a little water is a challenge. They got record surges. My friends husband has been pumping water since Monday. They haven’t made a dent. There’s no place for the water to go. It just rushes back in.


34 posted on 11/01/2012 7:17:23 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Iron Munro

I agree but even the unexpected can come upon those that are prepared for almost anything. Not that I believe it but Achilles had one weakness that lead to his downfall.


35 posted on 11/01/2012 7:24:35 PM PDT by Starstruck (I refer to the scum on my lake as Obama)
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To: null and void

Speaking of 18, I might try an amber lamp.


36 posted on 11/01/2012 7:26:12 PM PDT by ansel12 (Vote, but don't pretend.)
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To: Kartographer
Well, at least they could use their Cell Phones, as lomg as the Battery lasts, as a Flashlight.

That is if they remembered to download the Flashlight App before the storm hit.

I think it’s in the “Preppy Preppers” hanndbook. Too bad they only get in on a Kindle.

37 posted on 11/01/2012 7:33:34 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (How do you insult an Obama Voter? Call them an Obama Voter.)
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To: Kartographer
A Manhattan handyman opened a fire hydrant so people could collect water to flush toilets.

The fire hydrants are a different system from domestic water?

How does that work?

38 posted on 11/01/2012 7:37:25 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: Kartographer

I keep wondering how long it will be before the comedy act of Shep & Geraldo will be on scene to save the world.

Perhaps they’re waiting for the cannibalism to begin.


39 posted on 11/01/2012 7:39:41 PM PDT by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Romney & Ryan.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Kartographer

I thought FEMA was going to take care of this!


40 posted on 11/01/2012 7:44:36 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: SaraJohnson

I do, too. Many of the people never anticipated the storm surge.


41 posted on 11/01/2012 7:49:55 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: DJ MacWoW

The water is going to be something else for a number of days. At least he has work!


42 posted on 11/01/2012 7:51:15 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: onyx

I think he’d like to sleep. He’s only getting catnaps.


43 posted on 11/01/2012 7:54:59 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: ncpatriot
It is time for the brains of this country to learn how to deal with these disasters,

The brains of this country do know how to deal with the disasters. What in the Wide, Wide, World of Sports does that have to do with how the government or city folks deal with it?

The common theme is follow the 1950s government publications about preparing for trouble (of any kind), and figure on 3 days minimum response if you aren't hanging naked from a tree in the middle of a raging river.

Back in the day, Civil Defense did a good job of teaching and prepping. Then we became sophisticated, and didn't need it any more.

/johnny

44 posted on 11/01/2012 7:58:31 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Starstruck
even the unexpected can come upon those that are prepared for almost anything

True. And they would be dead.

Drop me (not too hard) in most of North America, and I can get by for 3 days. In a month I'll be living fairly comfortably.

No flush toilets, or stuff like that, but the basics, shelter, heat, water, food, clothing.

I like having stuff. I don't require stuff to survive. I have a mindset and the skillsets to survive. Wilderness is harder than urban, considering the concentration of resources.

I don't even require a knife. I can make one.

Can you identify the rocks that will make a suitable cutting edge?

/johnny

45 posted on 11/01/2012 8:06:21 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Donnafrflorida
I am originally from philly. lived thru 1977 or 1978 blizzard . 8 foot snow drifts. EL and subways shut down. I got it but many AREWoefully unprepared and too many expect gov to parachute in on hour two.

I remember that winter and the one before. There were three storms. Pittsburgh set record temps in January at -20 and did not get back above freezing until the mid March (thaw). I was a student at Pitt and remember walking back and forth from south Oakland. That was just one of the clues that got me thinking about preparedness.
46 posted on 11/01/2012 8:09:58 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: PA Engineer

I went to CMU. I remember sitting in physics, bundled up, trying to take notes with gloves on. Like the class wasn’t challenging enough and it was “Physics for Humanities Majors.”


47 posted on 11/01/2012 8:20:08 PM PDT by pops88 (Geek chick standing with Breitbart for truth)
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To: RummyChick; NautiNurse; NELSON111; AFPhys; Kartographer

They may get hit again.

http://www.rsmas.miami.edu/blog/2012/11/01/potential-big-storm-for-northeast-u-s-next-week/

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OMG, not again......


48 posted on 11/01/2012 8:21:32 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
How does that work?

One possibility is the lines are the low level of the system. Many apartment high rise buildings require pumps to get the water to the roof tanks. No electricity and then no water.
49 posted on 11/01/2012 8:22:29 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Exactly.

What I find ironic in all this is how much time the media and people around NYC/NJ have sniffed and tut-tutted at those of us who are prepared for turd->turbine collisions as “hicks” and “nutjobs.....” and now they don’t understand even WHY they’re going to be without power for at least a week. They can’t even tell you how electrical power is generated or transmitted.

Every time there’s a big storm, we hear calls by uppity liberal arts majors to bury the power lines... and now we have a city with mostly buried power infrastructure that is royally screwed when water (and salt water at that) got into their oh-so-cleverly buried power infrastructure. Let’s leave that oh-so-brilliant dependency on public transportation out of the picture for right now - the subways will likely take a couple months to fully restore (at a great expense, I might add), just getting the power infrastructure back online is going to be a huge feat.

A city of mostly liberal arts majors and welfare dependents in this situation shows what the value of some hard asset skills are.

But they won’t learn. They’ll never bother learning that you can forge a nice knife out of the leaf springs of cars - and that they have lots of cars around them now that aren’t ever going to go anywhere again. Never mind that lots of those cars are filled with at least some fuel that can be decanted off the water in their tanks... never mind that someone could be pulling the alternators out of cars to make makeshift gensets to recharge batteries and such, or that someone could be making makeshift heaters. Nah. Much easier to complain very loudly.

BTW, in my area of Wyoming, I’d be looking for obsidian. Makes tools that are holy-crap sharp. There are recently discovered sites around Wyoming where it is thought that the Indians had “edge factories” - they had nice outcroppings of the rocks/stones that made nice edges and tools and they’d hang out there for weeks at a time, with skilled flintknappers just cranking out one arrow/spear point or knife after another. I’ve spent a little bit of time with a guy who can crank out a very serviceable arrow head in literally five minutes. He thinks that the Indians were at least as skilled as he is and that losing a stone knife for them was a fairly minor annoyance, since it took them only a hike to find the suitable rocks and in no more than 20 minutes after locating said rock(s), they had just about anything they wanted.


50 posted on 11/01/2012 8:24:25 PM PDT by NVDave
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