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About That 'Facility' ( Benghazi )
American Thinker ^ | November 1, 2012 | Bill Schanefelt

Posted on 11/01/2012 6:46:40 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

As was noted on AT recently, a retired State Department Foreign Service Officer said: "Our Benghazi facility was a half-baked operation. It was not a consulate. It was a 'facility' with an ambiguous purpose, at least as far as the unclassified world is concerned."

If it was not a consulate, then it was not sovereign United States territory.  This fact has important legal consequences -- as was only just touched upon (at ~13:00, but pick up at ~10:00 for full context) by Newt Gingrich on Fox News in his appearance on Greta Van Susteren's Oct. 30 show (caution: auto-play).

One of these consequences may be that the United States had no "legal" authority under international law unilaterally to violate sovereign Libyan airspace by sending in a military force or by engaging attackers with U.S. aircraft, irrespective of the fact that U.S. citizens, including an ambassador, were the ones being attacked.

The purpose of this "facility" and its associated "safe-house" is increasingly becoming less ambiguous, as J.D. Longstreet points out:

That CIA "safe-house" has troubled me from the very beginning. ... What was the CIA doing there? There was no embassy in Benghazi. In fact, the building attacked was not even a consulate. If anything, it was a "mission" ... this was NOT an embassy.

It no longer reasonably can be denied that what was going on in Benghazi was "Fast and Furious in the Maghreb" being run by Ambassador Stevens, et al. at the direction of "fill in the blank."

He continues:

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 20120911; benghazi; libya; shadowwars; threatmatrix
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1 posted on 11/01/2012 6:46:40 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Travis McGee; Marine_Uncle; TigersEye; onyx; RummyChick; Grampa Dave

comments?


2 posted on 11/01/2012 6:49:53 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Excellent post.

It is high time the media started with the facts. The fact is that this was a CIA operation from start to finish.

3 posted on 11/01/2012 6:54:20 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

So did Somalia give approval for Team 6 to extract two hostages at the beginning of the year? Obama was telling Panetta good job for that extraction while on camera during the State of the Union.


4 posted on 11/01/2012 6:55:22 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I can’t get over the impression that someone was intended to die at that facility. A Gay Hero who would be useful for The Disaster’s campaign.


5 posted on 11/01/2012 6:56:07 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
If it was not a consulate, then it was not sovereign United States territory. This fact has important legal consequences -- as was only just touched upon (at ~13:00, but pick up at ~10:00 for full context) by Newt Gingrich on Fox News in his appearance on Greta Van Susteren's Oct. 30 show

An American CIC would have gone in and worried about feelings later.

6 posted on 11/01/2012 6:56:42 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: All
Related article from AT ...FR Thread:

Benghazi Reveals Obama-Islamist Alliance ^

7 posted on 11/01/2012 6:57:22 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
If the administration is willing to admit that and disavow the facilities as part of the State Dept.'s diplomatic mission they could make that argument. They would have to explain why all the requests for improved security were going to the State Dept.

But how would they make that case for the personnel? I presume that ambassador Stevens and all the rest were there with the knowledge and permission of the provisional gov of Libya. Wouldn't we have the 'right under international law' to defend officials of the U.S. gov who were present in the country with Libyan approval?

8 posted on 11/01/2012 6:58:57 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Then the Brits, Italians, French, USA, Qatar, other’s equally violated Libyan air space during the NATO operations last year. The Russians and Chinese did not give the thumbs up, within the five permanent members of the Security Council.


9 posted on 11/01/2012 6:59:00 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: RummyChick

http://www.amazon.com/Warrior-Soul-Memoir-Navy-Seal/dp/product-description/0891418636

We were trained to jump from commercial airliners because they are ubiquitous and nonattributable. It is one thing to prohibit American military aircraft from flying over your country. It is quite another to close down your airspace to all commercial traffic. Libya, Syria, Cuba, and a host of other thug nations allow commercial flights to fly through their airspace. This is all the opening a SEAL Team needs. Unknown and unseen, a SEAL element can parachute into any place on earth.One might insert: that is, provided one survives the jump. The trick is to exit in correct body position and deploy your parachute after the appropriate delay. There are two principal types of SEAL parachute operations: HALO, or high altitude, low opening; and HAHO, high altitude, high opening.


10 posted on 11/01/2012 6:59:14 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

I am drawing a blank here....the Blackhawk down incident?


11 posted on 11/01/2012 7:00:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Pirates kidnapped civilians. They were held hostage about three months. Team Seal extracted suddenly when mysterious information was revealed that a medical condition was about to end her life. Oh, just as Obama was going to do the State of the Union.


12 posted on 11/01/2012 7:03:31 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If a member of your family was being murdered in the house next door would go to a judge for a warrant to enter the house?


13 posted on 11/01/2012 7:05:08 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Marine_Uncle; RummyChick; TigersEye
There was a UN resolution ....with NATO as the approved force....as I recall.

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REMEMBER OBAMA and his crowd are Globalists at heart and will always strive to work under some legalistic cover.....

The most useful is R2P ---Acronym as Responsibility to Protect---

There is a large PSF document on that !!!

Syria with all of the Civilian casualities would likely be construed to be under that....

Now would Gun Running to the Rebels be covered....

I think there are some UN resolutions on Syria.....

14 posted on 11/01/2012 7:07:30 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: arrogantsob

Either that or his loss was deemed acceptable; after all, if he’s dead he can’t spill the beans.


15 posted on 11/01/2012 7:07:40 PM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (CHRISTOPHER WALKEN 2012: A cowbell in every pot!)
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To: RummyChick

Well....how timely!


16 posted on 11/01/2012 7:08:40 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: count-your-change

The current crowd in Washington would do just that.


17 posted on 11/01/2012 7:11:41 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Whoops. I'm slipping. Your obviously correct.
"In a 10-0 vote (with five members abstaining), the United Nations Security Council Thursday approved an attack on Libya, urging nations the world over to use “all necessary measures” to move against the Gadhafi regime."

Not retaining stuff as I once was able.
18 posted on 11/01/2012 7:13:50 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: arrogantsob

And the ambassador’s three black security officers.


19 posted on 11/01/2012 7:19:10 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Travis McGee; Nachum; penelopesire; maggief; MestaMachine; SE Mom; ...
Please link TMGee's interview today, because he was spot with this man's column, which has just been published.

Seems like Patreaus also has some questions to answer, given the wimpy statement presumably issued in his name, and published in the Weekly Standard.

This entire evil regime must be voted out on Tuesday.
20 posted on 11/01/2012 7:19:43 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: All
For some interesting reading....the R2P PDF:

The Responsibility to Protect:
challenges & opportunities in light of the Libyan intervention

21 posted on 11/01/2012 7:21:07 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Did we have legal authority to fly into Pakistan and nab OBL?


22 posted on 11/01/2012 7:23:03 PM PDT by Choozer
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The notion that calling a site a consulate or a facility makes some legal difference and that difference means standing and watching from the property line is just nuts.
Just plain nuts.


23 posted on 11/01/2012 7:25:36 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: onyx

Have You Heard About ‘Spigot Cities’ That May Pump Votes to Obama?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/have-you-heard-about-spigot-cities-that-may-pump-votes-to-obama/


24 posted on 11/01/2012 7:26:54 PM PDT by Nachum (The List was hacked- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: onyx
OK....doing a cut and paste job here:

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All about :

CBA--Cross Border Authority

Be sure and listen to the final seconds....

Guess I need to put the Link here again:

podcast--11-1 Matt Bracken

25 posted on 11/01/2012 7:30:43 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

What is the current status of those two facilities? Do we own them, or are they unprotected?


26 posted on 11/01/2012 7:31:38 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Marine_Uncle

Well,....I know about that....I can’t always remember where I laid my glasses down 10 minutes ago.


27 posted on 11/01/2012 7:32:50 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: blueunicorn6

Well....the survivors were evacuated....who would be watching it?


28 posted on 11/01/2012 7:37:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Former Proud Canadian

I guess that makes it allright to go in and murder the Ambassador.

Whats all the fuss about?


29 posted on 11/01/2012 7:37:28 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Nachum

YES, disgusting and outrageous.


30 posted on 11/01/2012 7:39:21 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thank you very much, sweet Ernest!


31 posted on 11/01/2012 7:40:15 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: TigersEye
Wouldn't we have the 'right under international law'

Except that, since there is no "international sovereign" and no "international lawgiver"(legislature), there is no such thing as international "law".

THIS is the only law we need:


32 posted on 11/01/2012 7:44:02 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: onyx

....Now I do like that...that is so nice of you.


33 posted on 11/01/2012 7:46:44 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Venturer
Nope, not in the least.

The fact that it wasn't a consulate really doesn't change anything for me. You put your men in there, doesn't matter if they had diplomatic "cover" or not. If AQ sends a hundred guys to attack your guys, you have to save them. Forget legalities and optics.

34 posted on 11/01/2012 7:57:23 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I thought that was American soil. Do we let thugs just kick us off our property these days? Why haven’t we sent in the tanks to secure these places?


35 posted on 11/01/2012 8:00:53 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Let alone 20 or more. :) I almost forgot a few minutes before ten to haul the 5 liter box wine of Chianti out of the refrigerator. Horrors. Total horror story.


36 posted on 11/01/2012 8:02:33 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Jim Noble

That historically is the Soverign opinion....but the Globalist crowd is spinning a new scheme...see my post #21 above regarding R2P—Responsibility to Protect.


37 posted on 11/01/2012 8:03:54 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Marine_Uncle
If you are flying hard what is the longevity of that 5 liter box?
38 posted on 11/01/2012 8:07:32 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: onyx; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Jim Robinson
Jim Robinson should be shipping free cases of Chianti per month to Ernest for the relentless service he performs here.
Then again, perhaps he would not be so relentless. :)
39 posted on 11/01/2012 8:09:17 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: blueunicorn6
Embassies are American Soil,....not sure about Consulates.

CIA does stuff off of American soil.

40 posted on 11/01/2012 8:09:41 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Well: You have to remember we aren’t talking about a real man here.


41 posted on 11/01/2012 8:10:29 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

When I do carrier ops and flying in Microsoft Flight Simulator in general I seldom indulge. Unless I really pull of a stupid move and say slam into the flight deck. Then it is time to lift one up to the lost aviator.


42 posted on 11/01/2012 8:13:07 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Well, they did more than not act, they affirmatively STRIPPED what security was already there.

Then they deliberately sent the ambassador into this cesspool.

What should be concluded from this?


43 posted on 11/01/2012 8:25:19 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: Jim Noble

You don’t have to convince me! lol


44 posted on 11/01/2012 8:40:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Panetta’s previous job before becoming SecDef may have
had something to do with spawning this F & F Part Deux.


45 posted on 11/01/2012 8:48:50 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: Marine_Uncle
ROFL!

So that is it....one for the lost aviator...LOL!

46 posted on 11/01/2012 9:00:06 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Jim Noble

Nice picture....


47 posted on 11/01/2012 9:03:38 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"So that is it....one for the lost aviator...LOL!"

Yeah. I should remember that one, heheh. No response required. On a serious note. I cannot help but wonder if the folks at Fox News are feeding info to some of the key folks on the Repub side in the Issa committe as all the breaking reports surface.
Of course as well as some of the folks who are coming forward such as one example FR Travis McGee.
I would of course hope the answer is a big yes. I may drop off the boards shortly. Eye balls are going south. And not because of the minor tulip glass tipping. Been a long day.
As customary when I "remember", do have a great upcoming day.
48 posted on 11/01/2012 9:27:40 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: onyx; Cindy; Travis McGee; TigerClaws
This is from the very beginning of the "Arab Spring revolt" in Libya:

FEBRUARY 2011 : (IRELAND : LIBYAN MAHDI AL HARATI LEAVES FOR LIBYA AT THE OUTSET OF THE LIBYAN "ARAB SPRING" ------- See GAZA FLOTILLA / MAVI MARMARA) Prior to the Libyan rebellion against Qaddafi, al-Harati was living in exile in Ireland. He is reported to have returned to Libya in February, at the very outset of the uprising. On his own account, barely eight months earlier he participated in the “Free Gaza” flotilla aboard the Mavi Marmara. -------Libyan Rebel Commander: I Was on the Mavi Marmara, nationalreview.com ^ | 12-28-11 | John Rosenthal , http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2826083/posts, Posted on Wednesday, December 28, 2011 6:27:23 PM by bayouranger

This "Libyan rebel commander" was on the very boat whose "peaceful" passengers attacked israeli commandoes as they came aboard to search for blockade busting items such as weapons destined for Hamas.

Just for the record, the most of the perps who launched the attack on the Israelis on board this vessel belonged to the group IHH. The IHH is a Turkish terror group that bombed some historic sites in Turkey associated with Ataturk and worked against the previous secular government, before Obama's buddy Erdogan came to power. Edogan as we know has arrested a number of secular Turkish generals and officers.

Also on board that vessel were Obama's friends from Code Pink.

The Obama admin's terrorist denial syndrome is getting old.

49 posted on 11/01/2012 10:33:07 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

What a shock. We elect a Chicago Mob bagman to be President and he ends up running guns all over the world. Who could ever see that coming ?


50 posted on 11/01/2012 10:36:52 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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