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Langley, Pentagon Could Not Have Helped in Benghazi, Expert Says
U.S. News ^ | November 2, 2012 | aul D. Shinkman

Posted on 11/02/2012 9:23:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

While the State Department waits for a review board to determine how attackers were allowed to kill four Americans in Libya, and following a new timeline of events from the CIA, an expert in the kinds of operations that kept many more from dying in Benghazi dismisses much of the resulting criticism.

Interagency bureaucracy may have prevented forces in Benghazi from relaying their situation to the CIA or Pentagon, but the attack did not last long enough for Washington to have been able to do anything, says Brandon Webb, a former Navy SEAL and special operations sniper course manager.

The CIA released a prepared statement Thursday with a more detailed timeline of events, according to the Washington Post, showing rescue efforts took place over only a few hours.

Webb, now editor-in-chief of SOFREP.com, says efforts of the special operations team that responded to the consulate compound are more important that bureaucratic criticism.

"Any time you have State, CIA and other agencies, and its not an established theater, that's part of the problem itself," he says. Communication in an attack like this may have been coordinated more fluently in Afghanistan or Iraq, he says, where established military forces are well versed in their chain of command.

"By the nature of the work they do, these intelligence groups are totally compartmentalized, and that creates a complication," he says. "By nature, CIA doesn't share information with [the Department of Defense]. For military support, it would have been a while before they could figure out what was going on."

In spite of this, the CIA responders were able to get to the U.S. compound in Benghazi within 25 minutes after the attack, at roughly 9:40 p.m., according to a new CIA statement reported by the Post. This statement offers the most detailed timeline of events since the Sept. 11 attack.

"There was no second-guessing those decisions being made on the ground, by people at every U.S. organization that could play a role in assisting those in danger," said a senior U.S. intelligence official according to the prepared statement.

Republicans have criticized President Barack Obama for indicating the attack may have been caused by a protest over a YouTube film that criticized Islam. The president subsequently said this was a terrorist attack.

This new assessment says the information coming out of Benghazi during the attack was fragmentary and often contradictory, and the initial information sent to Congress and the White House did not contain conclusions of potential links between the attackers and al Qaeda.

A source familiar with U.S. presence in Libya tells U.S. News the Benghazi attack may have been retribution for prior special operations missions there. The source asked to remain anonymous.

Ambassador Chris Stevens and computer expert Sean Smith were already dead before the response team could do anything, Webb points out, adding much of the resulting coverage has not focused on who is still alive.

"It's pretty amazing that a small group of former and active Special Operations personnel were able to successfully rescue what was likely up to 50 people and get sensitive materials out of the other compound," Webb says of the rescue efforts and retreat to the CIA annex nearby at roughly 11 p.m.

"They did this with limited resources and under austere circumstances," he says. "The CIA, and those operators should be commended for this."

After sustaining waves of mortar attacks, another team was able to secure transportation to a nearby airport, and with Libyan security elements, help rescue survivors at 5:15 a.m.

News agencies, including a scathing Fox News assessment, point to readily available resources that the U.S. government chose not to deploy to help Americans on the ground.

However, there would be no motivation for the CIA, the Department of Defense, the State Department or the White House to withhold these resources, Webb says, aside from first establishing what was actually happening on the ground.

"It wouldn't have been, 'Don't go help,'" he says. "It very likely would have been, 'Hold tight, we need to figure out what's going on.'"

After the rescue group retreated from the consulate to the CIA annex, a security officer on the roof pointed a laser indicator at a rebel mortar team that was shelling the building, a CIA source told Fox News. These mortar rounds eventually killed former Navy SEALs Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods.

A Spectre gunship could have used the operator's targeting to take out the mortar team, employing a common tactic with special operations troops, the source says, if the Pentagon or CIA had chosed to deploy it.

But this engagement at the CIA annex would have been far within "danger close" parameters, Webb says, referencing the zone within 600 meters of friendly troops into which only the most experienced air combat controllers can direct aerial strikes. Given the description of the attack, the mortar team must have been within a few hundred feet, he says, and among many noncombatants.

He also dismisses any claims that balking at support was a political maneuver due to the upcoming presidential election.

"Anyone in the chain of command would have had no issue stomping out this fire, and getting those Americans out of Libya," he says.

Sources familiar with embassy security tell U.S. News the Benghazi compound was not a protected diplomatic mission like most U.S. installations worldwide. It did not, for example, have the roof hatch that could have allowed Stevens and the other Americans to escape. These have been standard issue on all diplomatic compounds since a group of militants stormed the U.S. Embassy in Iran in 1979.

Learn more about the current state of embassy security here.

Ahead of the State Department conclusions, Webb says both communications and security could have been better.

"That's always been an issue," he says.

The State Department declined to comment, pending the independent board investigation findings.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cia; coverup; statedepartment; stovepiping; threatmatrix
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1 posted on 11/02/2012 9:23:54 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Is this guy related to the OTHER “former Seal”, Jesse “the body” Ventura????


2 posted on 11/02/2012 9:25:40 AM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The State Dept. has bigger concerns- like making sure the UN monitors our elections.


3 posted on 11/02/2012 9:26:43 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

A convenient Obama butt kisser. Full of horsepuckey.


4 posted on 11/02/2012 9:26:48 AM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Must be Boosh’s fault because everyone in their whole administration is saying it wasn’t their fault and nothing could be done and besides there was that youtube video and all...

Dog ate my homework.

Is it time for their 4:20 break yet, dawg?


5 posted on 11/02/2012 9:27:18 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama killed Gadaffi. How's that working out these days?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What about sending a drone to hit the already painted targets?

Nope that wouldn’t have helped at all apparently...


6 posted on 11/02/2012 9:28:26 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

In other words, there was nothing Obama could do so stop hounding him with this story!!!

The MSM will say whatever it takes to shut down issues before the election.


7 posted on 11/02/2012 9:28:26 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: traditional1

I call BS, even if it would have taken a couple hours to get there they could have done something and this leaves out the fact that security upgrades were asked for weeks in advance. The obama administration can go pound sand.


8 posted on 11/02/2012 9:28:36 AM PDT by refermech
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Oh well then... I guess it is a good thing we didn’t try to rescue them.

Idiot.


9 posted on 11/02/2012 9:29:23 AM PDT by Never on my watch (I can see November from the Chick-Fil-A drive through lane.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

According to the newly released timeline from the CIA there was a 5 hour break between the rescue of the consulate and the mortar attack on the annex. Since the CIA was rushing personnel to the annex to assist in a total evacuation, I don’t understand why they didn’t get some air cover over the annex to protect the exfil from the annex to the airport.


10 posted on 11/02/2012 9:29:25 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What is the downside to wiping out a bunch of Islamists?


11 posted on 11/02/2012 9:29:33 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If the Pentagon cannot support/protect members of the US military, then why do we have a Pentagon?


12 posted on 11/02/2012 9:30:05 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Re-distribute my work ethic, not my wealth.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If you can’t help, then you ****ing die trying.

Bunch of sh*t eating coward liars.


13 posted on 11/02/2012 9:30:53 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

There was a frinkin C-130 flying overhead!!!!


14 posted on 11/02/2012 9:31:07 AM PDT by McGruff (This is probably the biggest cover-up in American history - Sen. Fred Thompson)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I should have put on my hip boots before I read this.


15 posted on 11/02/2012 9:31:16 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"It's pretty amazing that a small group of former and active Special Operations personnel were able to successfully rescue what was likely up to 50 people and get sensitive materials out of the other compound," Webb says of the rescue efforts and retreat to the CIA annex nearby at roughly 11 p.m.

And they are where? Get out sensitive documents?

As far as the targeting... he's kidding right?

16 posted on 11/02/2012 9:32:03 AM PDT by AliVeritas (God's will be done. Pray, Pray, Pray, Penance, Penance, Penance.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; rightwingintelligentsia; Biggirl; IMissPresidentReagan; All
sponsored by..brought to you by; paid for by: Barrack Hussein O'bama 'OBozo

17 posted on 11/02/2012 9:34:15 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth. - RWR 8-)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Respectfully... BULLSH!T!

LLS


18 posted on 11/02/2012 9:35:21 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (OUR GOVERNMENT AND PRESS ARE NO LONGER TRUSTWORTHY OR DESERVING OF RESPECT!)
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To: Travis McGee

FYI, in case you haven’t seen this yet.


19 posted on 11/02/2012 9:36:04 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: McGruff

Of course there was, hence the targeting.

Someone pulled them.


20 posted on 11/02/2012 9:36:16 AM PDT by AliVeritas (God's will be done. Pray, Pray, Pray, Penance, Penance, Penance.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

possible related link ... http://www.brandontylerwebb.com/


21 posted on 11/02/2012 9:37:01 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

there ar e 3 issues:
Before
During
after

Before they ignored the warnings.
After , they jailed the filmmaker and lied about it being a film, and spent 70k on coomercials in PUCKEESTAN

I’ll give the benefit of doubt during


22 posted on 11/02/2012 9:38:22 AM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco and Pelosi)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“”By the nature of the work they do, these intelligence groups are totally compartmentalized, and that creates a complication,” he says. “By nature, CIA doesn’t share information with [the Department of Defense]. For military support, it would have been a while before they could figure out what was going on.””

This is why we have the CSG, They do this for a living, It’s their job to work with all branches. This guy is full of SH-t.Why wouldn’t they be involved? Unless of course someone is running a black Op from the whitehouse and can’t have any other branch involved.


23 posted on 11/02/2012 9:39:12 AM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

there ar e 3 issues:
Before
During
after

Before they ignored the warnings.
After , they jailed the filmmaker and lied about it being a film, and spent 70k on coomercials in PUCKEESTAN

I’ll give the benefit of doubt during


24 posted on 11/02/2012 9:39:14 AM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco and Pelosi)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The Empire strikes back. Now the networks can cover Benghazi and they have a narrative. That’s exactly what they have been waiting for.


25 posted on 11/02/2012 9:39:20 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

On the brighter side, all of this “spinning” that is suddenly coming from the White House and operatives mean that the news has managed to “trickle’ out via FOX news and internet. The media should have reported on this sooner. Being this late to the party makes them look like they are just reporting to give Obama some CYA. This makes both Obama and the media look very bad (dare I say complicit). How about “breaking” a story once in a while instead of just twising them?


26 posted on 11/02/2012 9:43:20 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Didn’t last long enough? And they know that, how? Was it planned to last a certain time period? When it was on-going, how did they know how long it was supposed to last?


27 posted on 11/02/2012 9:43:56 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"After the rescue group retreated from the consulate to the CIA annex, a security officer on the roof pointed a laser indicator at a rebel mortar team that was shelling the building, a CIA source told Fox News. These mortar rounds eventually killed former Navy SEALs Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods."

Rescue group? That was Tyrone Woods! He got a couple of guys from the annex to go with him to the consulate to try to help, even though he had been told to stand down. Are these people are trying to muddy the waters? And the security officer who pointed the laser indicator they're talking about, that was Tyrone Woods too.

28 posted on 11/02/2012 9:46:28 AM PDT by GloriaJane (Pro Choice = Pro Death - Pro Life = Pro LIFE!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I defer to our own SEAL source - “Travis McGee” - Matt Bracken.

http://pjmedia.com/blog/benghazis-smoking-gun-only-president-can-give-%E2%80%98cross-border-authority%E2%80%99/?fb_action_ids=506280792724699&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%22506280792724699%22%3A258779357578789%7D&action_type_map=%7B%22506280792724699%22%3A%22og.recommends%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D


29 posted on 11/02/2012 9:49:03 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The excuses are getting louder.

The question remains: if the CIA could hastily assemble a group of ex-special forces guys in Tripoli and send them into harms way, why couldn’t the Department of Defense?

30 posted on 11/02/2012 9:49:15 AM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Throw this ‘seal’ a fish. Better still, smack him with it.


31 posted on 11/02/2012 9:49:15 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and none dare call it treason)
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32 posted on 11/02/2012 9:49:15 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=om93destr)
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To: no-to-illegals

Webb is an Obama supporter:

http://www.brandontylerwebb.com/644/obama-bashing-using-navy-seals-as-campaign-pawns/


33 posted on 11/02/2012 9:51:08 AM PDT by celmak
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To: AliVeritas

Why did anyone interview this ignorant idiot? He says there were maybe 50 people rescued from the mission/consulate? Sheesh. There were as few as five and at most seven persons there. Two were dead. The rest had weapons and body armor.


34 posted on 11/02/2012 9:51:47 AM PDT by petitfour
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
-"Anyone in the chain of command would have had no issue stomping out this fire, and getting those Americans out of Libya,"

So, why didn't they???

35 posted on 11/02/2012 9:56:27 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

These comments can be easily refuted based on the news that the State Department was notified by the consulate three hours prior to the attack, that they believed an attack was immenent.


36 posted on 11/02/2012 9:56:52 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

if the CIA and the DoD could do nothing to change the outcome during the SEVEN HOUR ordeal...

defund and disband them both now

we’ll build something new with new players that can manage it

sorry... less homosexuals and more warfighters will be used in the new organizations


37 posted on 11/02/2012 9:57:55 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Travis McGee
""It wouldn't have been, 'Don't go help,'" he says. "It very likely would have been, 'Hold tight, we need to figure out what's going on.'"

So I guess all the thousands and maimed Troops on patrols in Iraq and Aftganistan should never have ventured out of "green" zones because they didn't know the placement of ambushes and/or IED's? Plus, it has been establish there was real time intel via emails, voice comms, and a UAV feeding video, not to mention the mission CCTV's that have since been classified TOP SECRET. The WH and many other top level officials knew exactly what was happening within about an hour after the first assault.

And no, I don't accept the idea of not even attempting a rescue for fear of civilian casualties. Tough shit. I also don't buy the idea of the Bambi administration concerned about crossing borders. They were okay with the incursion to kill bin-Laden in Pakistan without authorization, and okay with the many drone strikes that occur all the time in Pakistan.

Webb, thanks for your prior service, but I don't get your position on this. Have you lost your perspective as a former SEAL? As many have pointed out, there are crisis intervention teams (my term) within hours of every hot spot. They train and train for such contingencies. Bambi and Co. should have at least tried even if not sure of the outcome, given the intel and the length of the attack.

Our military is expected to take chances and die in their efforts. There is no excuse for what occurred and you will wind up eating your own words. Shame on you. I would bet your fellow SpecOps guys are wondering what happened to you.

38 posted on 11/02/2012 10:07:34 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“In the situation room, when the initial phone call came 9:40pm at the Consulate, Obama gave an order to “secure those Americans”, how long do you watch video from the drones before you figure out the orders aren’t being followed?”


39 posted on 11/02/2012 10:08:15 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: celmak
I did not read it quite that way that Mr. Brandon Webb is a zer0 supporter, instead Mr. Webb appeared as a Warrior from what was in the blog and appeared to only obey orders and follow the orders of the cic (even if the orders are wrong), as is necessary to maintain our way of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Guess I maybe missed something.
40 posted on 11/02/2012 10:08:31 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: A Navy Vet

Oops. Too pissed off to write clearly.

“... thousands [of dead] and maimed Troops...”


41 posted on 11/02/2012 10:12:13 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

There is a precedent of sorts, Wake Island

The Marines and contractor forces on Wake were not relieved. By some accounts, help was dispatched and recalled. The story is that there was not adequate and timely help tp prevent the inevitable loss.

FDR was apparently not involved in the decision, it was the CINCPAC.

Wake is really not a valid precedent though. Although there were cables and other warnings of the deteriorating situation, there was not constant voice and video communication. There were no major installations just hours away. There were no lawyers controlling the military’s every action. There were no lawyers holding the CIA leash.

It will boil down to a decision based on what was percieved as legal rather than what was right . The American legal profession is very high up, near the top, of America’s enemies.


42 posted on 11/02/2012 10:13:36 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
However, there would be no motivation for the CIA, the Department of Defense, the State Department or the White House to withhold these resources, Webb says, aside from first establishing what was actually happening on the ground.

A failed rescue attempt would conjure up images of the Carter administration, and possibly hurt Obama's popularity on the eve of the election. I don't think Obama considers saving any American lives worth that risk.

Better to just let them die.

43 posted on 11/02/2012 10:19:09 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: hecht

I agree. They can confound and confuse the “during” but the before and after are clear.The main point right now is that people thinking of voting for Obama need to explain to us why we were lied to so publicly and so adamantly for so many days, when they could have just said they were still sorting through. The article weakly tries to excuse the excuses, which might work if the excuses had not gone on for days and days and if the video maker had not been so publicly “disappeared.” They painted a huge target on this guy and they stirred up additional trouble in other areas of the Middle East with this over the top video story. For now, that is a vulnerablity.


44 posted on 11/02/2012 10:21:09 AM PDT by Anima Mundi (ENVY IS JUST PASSIVE, LAZY GREED)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

U.S. Ambassador being attacked is direct communication to POTUS. Period.


45 posted on 11/02/2012 10:21:40 AM PDT by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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To: bert
It will boil down to a decision based on what was perceived as legal rather than what was right.

A prayer this situation does not go that way, but you could very well be correct, it perhaps will turn in that direction. Lawyers cause more trouble than the lawyers are worth. Normally boils down to legalities, regrettably, because our nation is a nation of law(s), and the rule of law, or the lack thereof.

46 posted on 11/02/2012 10:23:18 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
All of this needs to be assessed with regard to the new reports that show that the word about the enemy gathering weapons for the coming attack, was out three hours before the attack even started.

The failure to respond was unconscionable, and in a situation where this whole thing happened in a nation, in which Obama illegally involved us in the first place, makes him responsible on multiple bases. We cannot allow this betrayal of American interests by a man who sat in the Pews for 20 years, while his Pastor & spiritual guide, damned America, to continue.

William Flax [Romney/Ryan--Next Tuesday]

47 posted on 11/02/2012 10:24:20 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan
[Romney/Ryan--Next Tuesday]

No doubt. This is our Nation's first best step. Nothing is going to happen next without this happens first.

48 posted on 11/02/2012 10:30:09 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

After Panetta’s ridiculous statement about live drone feed, ‘just some buildings and lots of chaos (paraphrasing)’, they finally found one former SEAL who would stick his neck out for this admin?


49 posted on 11/02/2012 10:31:42 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“It wouldn’t have been, ‘Don’t go help,’” he says. “It very likely would have been, ‘Hold tight, we need to figure out what’s going on.’”

So, I don’t see how “Don’t go help” is different. If someone is getting beaten by a mob in the street and we tell them to just wait and see how it plays out it is the same as saying, “Don’t go help.” Sometimes I think they speak a different language than I do.


50 posted on 11/02/2012 10:32:21 AM PDT by Anima Mundi (ENVY IS JUST PASSIVE, LAZY GREED)
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