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Power returns to lower Manhattan, but many waiting
Reuters ^ | 11/3/12 | Emily Flitter and Michelle Nichols

Posted on 11/03/2012 6:29:36 AM PDT by Kartographer

The power restoration came as gasoline supplies headed to coastal zones devastated by the record storm surge and to motorists whose patience has been tested by gasoline rationing during the painstaking effort to rebuild.

With the U.S. presidential election just three days away, about 3 million homes and business remained without power in a region choked with storm debris and long gas lines reminiscent of the 1970s-era U.S. fuel shortage. Angry storm victims wondered when their lives would return to normal.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New Jersey; US: New York
KEYWORDS: hurricane; manhattan; ny2012; nyc; poweroutage; sandy
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To: PapaBear3625

Another bonus: no registration requirements with bow and arrows, hatchets, axes, machetes, etc. They would seem like a good backup in case the gun grabbers manage to grab your guns.

Heck, a stout pole with a fire hardened point could do a ton of damage in the right hands.


21 posted on 11/03/2012 8:10:30 AM PDT by Betis70 ("Leading from Behind" gets your Ambassador killed)
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To: JRandomFreeper

>>I’m not prepping for earthquakes, I’m prepping for tornados, but if the New Madrid goes off (unlikely, in my lifetime), the tornado preps cover me.

It’s also a mindset, which I am (frankly) still working on. Looking at resources all around me that I can use in a SHTF scenario, but which would be helpful in a typical short-term (weeks to month) power outage/natural disaster situation.

For example, some helpful FReeper mentioned a “rocket stove” on a thread yesterday. Not being more than ankle deep in prep’ing, I hadn’t heard of it before. Now I’m thinking of building a small one and using it for cooking on weekends—because all the prep in the world is worthless if you don’t do it with some first-hand experience.


22 posted on 11/03/2012 8:16:35 AM PDT by Betis70 ("Leading from Behind" gets your Ambassador killed)
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To: Yardstick
As I've said before, I think it's sensible to have a week or two's worth of supplies on hand. What I don't believe in is prepping for an extremely low probably SHTF type scenario.

The minimum that a rational person should be prepared for is two weeks. It's not uncommon for me to be out of power for several days at a time due to weather (mostly snowstorms/ice-storms), with the roads being ugly. I maintain enough food in the pantry to keep us fed for a month, and rotate it so that it all gets used before it gets near expiration date.

23 posted on 11/03/2012 8:23:03 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: Betis70
The most important thing about life, in general, is attitude and skillsets.

Stuff comes and goes. I've been weathy and I've been broke. Sometimes I've had the supplies I needed, sometimes I had to figure out something else.

Prepping is much more than laying in stores that never get used.

And face it, what we are prepping for is life. Our grandparents always went into fall with a room full of preserved food to cover the winter and spring month. It's just being prepared for life, as it comes, not specific events.

/johnny

24 posted on 11/03/2012 8:27:48 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: PapaBear3625
I always have multiple months worth of food on hand because I'm a cheap bastard that buys in bulk when stuff is on sale. ;)

It's cool that doing that helps keep me alive if something breaks or bends in my world and I can't get to a store for a few months.

/johnny

25 posted on 11/03/2012 8:31:03 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick; Kartographer; JRandomFreeper
“There's an undertone of hoping for disaster that exists among some of you that is palpable. That's part of why I want to see the Northeast recover quickly — so that certain preppers are denied the satisfaction of seeing things drag out.”

You carry on like this all the time. The above is YOUR opinion. You decide what WE are thinking and that is impossible for you to do. Plus, your opinion is worth dirt.

26 posted on 11/03/2012 8:44:09 AM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is Dead. PREPARE)
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To: Yardstick
What I don't believe in is prepping for an extremely low probably SHTF type scenario.

Do you carry life insurance? Home-owners insurance in case a fire burns down your house? Flood insurance? Long-term disability insurance?

We insure all the time for low-probability events which might be disastrous or life-threatening if encountered unprepared. Think of prepping as an insurance purchase.

27 posted on 11/03/2012 8:51:27 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: Betis70; PapaBear3625
If you don't have a gun you can beat one of these in close quarters.

28 posted on 11/03/2012 8:53:24 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Betis70

Rocket Stove I think I’ve heard of those ;-)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2914240/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2850938/posts


29 posted on 11/03/2012 8:56:28 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
You can get one as part of a zombie survival kit

Makes a great semi-fun Christmas gift.

30 posted on 11/03/2012 8:56:50 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: Kartographer
When the world throws lemons at you, make some lemonade.

I couldn't help but notice all the downed trees in the wake of the hurricane. I just did a google search on firewood here in Michigan and the going rate for a cord of unsplit wood is around $70...........For split and seasoned hardwood, it's selling between $140 and $200......

There's money to be made there if someone had the right equipment........a big truck for hauling the wood, chainsaw to cut the stuff and a wood chipper for the scrap and a log splitter.

As a side note, two years ago a tornado came thru my area taking off roofs and knocking down trees. I had a pin oak in my front yard that took off part of my front roof but my insurance company paid for it and the removal of the tree. A tree removal company came in with their chainsaws and shredder and within 20 minutes that oak tree was gone and so was the crew.

Other people around the area were luckier and just had downed trees. Everybody that took care of their own trees just stacked the wood up by their front curbs and within two days it was picked up by wood "scavengers".......

31 posted on 11/03/2012 9:02:56 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: PapaBear3625; Kartographer; JRandomFreeper; All

“Think of prepping as an insurance purchase.”

Exactly, I have said that over and over. I have lots of insurance for a disaster.

I created my own personal world to function with reasonable comfort for a year or more if the world outside my door collapses for any reason. This insurance gives me peace of mind.


32 posted on 11/03/2012 9:05:16 AM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is Dead. PREPARE)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Your analysis over looks the salient point....... they don’t allow wood burning stoves in the cities where the trees are down


33 posted on 11/03/2012 9:10:18 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Hot Tabasco
There's money to be made there

Lots of 'problems' in life can become opportunities, with the right attitude. What you posted represents the very best in American exceptionalism.

/johnny

34 posted on 11/03/2012 9:13:13 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Horsecrap. That's 100% pure projection of your mental sterotype.

It's not horsecrap. You're in denial.

It isn't exactly hard to see why a prepper, especially a hardcore prepping-as-lifestyle type, might see some upside in a disaster. It's just human nature to want that I told you so moment. Stir in some preppers' preoccupation with "mockers and doubters" and you have the perfect conditions for wanting it to happen -- on some level and despite the better judgement of their conscience. It's kind of like liberals wanting us to lose in Iraq. They'd deny it to the hilt but we all knew they wanted it.

35 posted on 11/03/2012 9:14:34 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: bert
they don’t allow wood burning stoves in the cities where the trees are down

Wood burning stoves and cities that don't allow them never entered my mind. There's a demand for firewood wherever it gets cold by people who use their fireplaces........

36 posted on 11/03/2012 9:18:45 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco

We had a few big oaks ‘topped’ when we got a freak snowstorm last October (2011). Had the tree company remove the trees as they were a hazard, but also had them cut them into 18-21 inch long blanks. Been hand splitting that every weekend since.

Won’t have to buy firewood this year or next. Had plenty stacked and seasoned for this storm.

Lots of wood scavengers here last year. I haven’t really been driving around much after this storm, but I’m sure they are out there again this year.


37 posted on 11/03/2012 9:20:50 AM PDT by Betis70 ("Leading from Behind" gets your Ambassador killed)
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To: Yardstick
Projection. 100% projection.

Having lived through very hard times, I can guarantee you that I don't like having to do it. I can do it, and have, but you are full of crap that anyone wants it to happen.

It's like saying someone that has a lifestyle of buying house insurance is secretly hoping their house burns down. Horsecrap.

/johnny

38 posted on 11/03/2012 9:21:13 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: bert
they don’t allow wood burning stoves in the cities where the trees are down

Wood burning stoves and cities that don't allow them never entered my mind. There's a demand for firewood wherever it gets cold by people who use their fireplaces........It doesn't have to be Manhattan

39 posted on 11/03/2012 9:23:16 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: PapaBear3625

The problem with the insurance analogy is that full-on prepping is too big a cost for too unlikely an event. To prepare for the full SHTF scenario requires committing to a lifestyle and certain expenses that I don’t want to commit to. I have other things I’d rather put my time and resources toward. I might feel otherwise if the odds of TSHTF weren’t so low. As it is, I can see keeping preps on hand for something like Sandy, but not TSHTF.


40 posted on 11/03/2012 9:42:09 AM PDT by Yardstick
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