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Hurricane Sandy's darker side: Looting and other crime
CSM via Yahoo News ^ | 11/3/12 | By Amy Lieberman

Posted on 11/03/2012 6:47:42 PM PDT by Kartographer

Mr. Cooper and a few friends stood talking on his house's porch. It was about 7:45 p.m. and they were the only people around. The ocean breeze was getting colder and stronger. He held his flashlight and looked out onto the street, which was still covered with sand. “There's no lights, there's no cameras, there's no alarms, there's no nothing. It's kind of scary, you know?” he said. His neighbor, Talentin Gutierez showed a reporter a borrowed generator, worth about $2,000. His was robbed the other day. Tonight, he will sleep in his car – wrecked from water damage – to guard the generator.

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“If you can’t protect it, you don’t own it;”
1 posted on 11/03/2012 6:47:43 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 11/03/2012 6:50:22 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

THAT is the best quote I’ve ever seen. I think my husband needs it emblazoned across his forehead. He is still searching for a home for us that is at least partially underground, has an artesian well, a turret, and enough space for all his weapons. Marrying him 22 years ago was the best decision I ever made :)


3 posted on 11/03/2012 6:50:39 PM PDT by gotspeedyfingers (why are all my writings so lengthy!?)
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To: gotspeedyfingers

Home Defense: “If You Can’t Protect It, You Don’t Own It”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2934575/posts


4 posted on 11/03/2012 6:53:12 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: gotspeedyfingers; Kartographer

“THAT is the best quote I’ve ever seen.”

Precisely why I put firearms & ammo at #1 on my prep list, with water and food being #2 & #3.


5 posted on 11/03/2012 6:58:10 PM PDT by carriage_hill ("0bummer's a towering figure" - even a Garden Gnome casts a long shadow at sunset.)
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To: Kartographer

This storm has definitely challenged my prepping. Food ok. Gas ok. Wood for heat. Left myself short on one med, but nothing life threatening. Left myself short on d cells, not pleased about that but has been remedied.

Next storm coming Wednesday. Another challenge.

Learning about prepping let me predict what would happen next and adjust.

While others were grabbing batteries before the storm hit, I was filling every cooler with ice and wifey was converting anything she
could to soups and stews.

Thank you fellow freepers.


6 posted on 11/03/2012 7:05:27 PM PDT by onona (If it is to be, it begins with me.)
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To: Kartographer

“If you can’t protect it, you don’t own it;”


I’ve said that for years! It applies to everything from Gold to Groceries.


7 posted on 11/03/2012 7:06:23 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: Kartographer
It's interesting that we've seen hundreds of stories about looting, but all the stories seem to come from two locales: Union Beach NJ and the Coney Island/Belle Harbor/Far Rockaway strip.

These two places have one thing in common - they are located right next to low-income housing projects.

Hundreds of cities and neighborhoods, and these two seem to get all the attention.

8 posted on 11/03/2012 7:08:54 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: gotspeedyfingers
"...a home for us that is at least partially underground, "

A fair idea for OK.

9 posted on 11/03/2012 7:10:08 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Kartographer

But didn’t Bloomie say that cell phones were better than having guns in your home. A cell phone by your bedside was way better than a gun because a cop would only be minutes away provided they’re not busy elsewhere.


10 posted on 11/03/2012 7:11:38 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church shows up at your funeral)
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To: Kartographer

Where are all of those occupy people? Shouldn’t they be pitching in and helping the people on the east coast?


11 posted on 11/03/2012 7:11:48 PM PDT by Ms Mable
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To: onona
"Left myself short on d cells"

There are NiMH ones now that can be recharged from your car, generator, solar panel / battery / inverter , etc.

12 posted on 11/03/2012 7:12:51 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: gotspeedyfingers
Missile Silo Home?


13 posted on 11/03/2012 7:14:24 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Kartographer

I long for the time when a disaster was an opportunity to help your neighbors instead of being a chance to steal from them.

And NY and NJ are low density areas of gun ownership by law abiders. I wonder how that impacts the situation.


14 posted on 11/03/2012 7:14:29 PM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: Kartographer

“If you can’t protect it, you don’t own it;”

Amen


15 posted on 11/03/2012 7:17:30 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Paladin2

A solar recharger and those batteries are def on the short list when all is said and done.....


16 posted on 11/03/2012 7:24:22 PM PDT by onona (If it is to be, it begins with me.)
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To: Kartographer

If you’re not prepared to protect it, you shouldn’t have it in the first place.You will be easy prey if you’re not fully prepared for nation-wide shtf like in the northeast right now. You might have a ton of food, but two tons of neighbors wanting to take it


17 posted on 11/03/2012 7:24:57 PM PDT by Figment
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To: onona
"A solar recharger"

Given that there a a shake out in the solar panel mfg. buziness, I'm still looking for a local source for a few >200W panels, cheap.

18 posted on 11/03/2012 7:27:49 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SkyDancer

A cell phone by your bedside was way better than a gun because a cop would only be minutes away

Only minutes away when seconds matter


19 posted on 11/03/2012 7:29:15 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Kartographer

that’s racist


20 posted on 11/03/2012 7:30:47 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Why not eliminate the middle man and have whoever feeds Obama his lines debate Romney directly?")
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To: Paladin2

Harbor freight ?


21 posted on 11/03/2012 7:35:16 PM PDT by onona (If it is to be, it begins with me.)
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To: onona
The local HF doesn't have the big panels.

Neither does Tractor Supply.

There may be some local vendors, but they seem to tend to be "System Installers".

I'm all about DIY.

22 posted on 11/03/2012 7:39:45 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Figment

A cell phone is apparently only good for calling in the Trash Collectors to stop by and take out the Trash.


23 posted on 11/03/2012 7:41:43 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Let me know how you make out


24 posted on 11/03/2012 7:42:43 PM PDT by onona (If it is to be, it begins with me.)
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To: Paladin2

Let me know how you make out


25 posted on 11/03/2012 7:43:18 PM PDT by onona (If it is to be, it begins with me.)
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To: Paladin2

Let me know how you make out


26 posted on 11/03/2012 7:43:40 PM PDT by onona (If it is to be, it begins with me.)
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To: Figment
A cell phone by your bedside was way better than a gun because a cop would only be minutes away

I happen to be fond of my dog.

27 posted on 11/03/2012 7:45:00 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: Kartographer
If the good citizens of NYC & boroughs found their courage....
.....and elected leaders who wouldn't interfere with their 2nd Amendment rights...

A few of these stories would end with perps down...
After the word got out on the street...
....most of these looting stories would not be written.

The armed & trained citizenry is the first line of defense for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness...
(aka... personal safety including family, home & property...)

"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."
(.... or longer during post-disaster emergency conditions -- just sayin')

28 posted on 11/03/2012 7:47:06 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: onona

I’m seriously considering driving to CA to get a set.


29 posted on 11/03/2012 7:48:08 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Kartographer

I keep getting told by a couple of friends everyone is getting help.

This is way better than Katrina.

No one is standing on their roofs waiting for help or dying.


30 posted on 11/03/2012 7:50:57 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Kartographer

An under-reported cause for some of the human deaths and injuries, from people refusing to evacuate, is what happened last year when people did evacuate from Hurricane Irene. While also a cat 1 hurricane, Irene did nowhere near the damage of Sandy in its landfall in Brooklyn in 2011.

Yet what the hurricane did not do, humans did do in terms of burglaries and looting. So with H.Sandy being matched in theoretical intensity, how many people decided to risk the warnings in order to protect against a repeat of last year’s lawlessness?

At what point should the consideration be made that looters are vultures and that there should be an “open season” on them as such. Not nice, not happy but this demonstrates the real consequence of this behavior. New York fatalities are 48 and New Jersey has 24, how many stayed behind to protect that which they, maybe, could not replace in these difficult times?


31 posted on 11/03/2012 7:54:41 PM PDT by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existence!)
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To: Vendome

Funny I’ hear things more like this:

We have been cut off, out of the loop for days not knowing anything but what the local media on the radio had reported. Even getting power back we still have no TV. I just got Internet.

The damage in my town and the towns surrounding me is moderate to severe. Flooding is horrible and no one had power. But we survived and lucky to have more than most elsewhere.

Water is unusable and sewage treatment plants are down left and right. THE WATER SMELLS OF CHLORINE - SUPER STRONG!

Gas/food/supplies:
it is near impossible to get. On a normal day I travel 70 miles a day into Nassau County and points in between. I quickly ran out of fuel and still find it impossible to get gas. I refuse to play into this panic and wait online 3-4-5-6++ hours just to get $40 of $4.89 gas.

Everyone wants a generator. All over the radio talk about them here or there. No gas but run out and buy that generator.

Food stores are hit or miss. I really feel this is the next big crisis. No deliveries are getting in. Twice now I have gone out to restock the fridge with new food and found foul milk being sold at King Kullen and Stop & Shop!

Controlled Chaos:
The politicians are making things worse. Media is hand in hand creating panic. All day long on local stations all they have is folks calling in reporting who has and who has no gas. I’m sure you hear the stories. People lines up hours waiting at a closed station for some delivery that may or may not arrive.

For example, Governor Cuomo in all his infinite wisdom announces 10 gallons of free fuel in mobile stations parked in western regions of the affected area. Lines form and quickly they tell everyone its for EMS vehicles only. Mayor Bloomberg holds a news conference an hour later telling people to go get the free gas if they need it.

Employment:
Most everyone I know couldn’t get to work on Friday. No gas. My job laid everyone off on Friday afternoon for all of next week. Calling it a work furlow just so you can’t claim unemployment! So now people need to worry how the hell they are supposed to feed their family losing close to 2 weeks pay.

Look it’s bad. Worst I’ve ever seen. Worse than Gloria back in the 80’s and much much worse than the 70’s gas crisis. Back then it wasn’t chaos. IT IS COMPLETE CHAOS.

I have seen fights in the streets. Accidents and cars broken down on the side of the road no gas. Flooding came far inland, trees and power lines down all over. LIPA can not tell us when the power will be restored fully and the whole situation is about to boil over into a full scale breakdown of society.

I can see how they control the chaos. Slowly ratcheting it up and now whipping it up into a full scale frenzy.

I know this is normal for a crisis such as this but hold on folks. I see it getting much worse yet! This was more than a “Hybrid Storm”. It was the start of it all! I am sure of it.


32 posted on 11/03/2012 7:59:22 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: wideawake

Looting in Far Rockaway wouldn’t surprise me one bit. But I haven’t seen any stories about looting in Belle Harbor. Could you please direct me to one/some?

I did find this about Rockaway Beach - bayside in the 80’s - and yes, the area abuts the Hammels projects. Yikes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8xRiqLJZAA


33 posted on 11/03/2012 8:05:32 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Ms Mable

Occupy Wall Street was one of the 1st there ... Greenpeace too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvECSskUviM


34 posted on 11/03/2012 8:09:00 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Alice in Wonderland

The people in the above article apparently live on the eastern border of Belle Harbor nearest to the Rockaways public housing.


35 posted on 11/03/2012 8:11:54 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Vendome

Many in the Rockaways don’t have roof to stand on. The storm destroyed many and fires ravished parts of Breezy Point, Belle Harbor, and Rockaway Park.


36 posted on 11/03/2012 8:13:29 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Figment

That’s what Bloomie said. Better a cell phone by your be than a gun. The man is pure mad.


37 posted on 11/03/2012 8:14:27 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church shows up at your funeral)
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To: NonValueAdded
that’s racist

No, my FRiend, thinking that holding a marathon during an ongoing national disaster is a great idea is race-ist...

38 posted on 11/03/2012 8:20:20 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1383 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: Kartographer

I was told that anyone who has not been able to work, can apply for Disaster Unemployment Assistance by calling 888-209-8124


39 posted on 11/03/2012 8:20:52 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Kartographer
they’ve declared Marshall Law in Sea Bright but they’ve already taken the door off the safe at Donovan’s Reef

VIDEO: Hurricane Sandy Sea Bright

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40 posted on 11/03/2012 8:23:46 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Stentor

“A cell phone by your bedside was way better than a gun because a cop would only be minutes away

I happen to be fond of my dog.”

Dogs are warning systems, not weapon systems.

May I suggest the “Telescopic Dog” - it barks here and bites over there. Telescopic Dog dog food is compact, easily stored, has a shelf life measured in decades, and is easily converted into hard goods, foods, services, even peace, quiet, and solitude.


41 posted on 11/03/2012 8:35:29 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: GladesGuru

Dogs are also likely to get shot when the cops come, especially if they encounter a chaotic situation.

Trained cats are better. A cat is not usually shot. But a cat can not just bite but claw.


42 posted on 11/03/2012 8:37:51 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (cat dog, cat dog, alone in the world is a little cat dog)
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To: Kartographer

Jefferson warned us about stacking people in cities as in Europe, a warning which goes back to at least the time of Moses. But, ........

Best of luck in surviving the Urban Ferals and the perhaps even more destructive Libtards in gubment positions.


43 posted on 11/03/2012 8:39:59 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Elle Bee
Are the houses along the beaches mainly permanent residences or vacations homes?
44 posted on 11/03/2012 8:45:19 PM PDT by bgill (Evil doers are in every corner of our government. Have we passed the point of no return?)
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To: SkyDancer

“The man is pure mad.”

I must disagree. Bloomie is pure, unadulterated Big Sh*ty socialist, yes. But is he ‘mad’, certainly not by local standards.

They elected him.

Now let them suffer the consequences.

Societal breakdown consequential of Sandy can become America’s ‘teachable moment’ only if the consequences of d urbanism & socialism are shown to be sufficiently painful/lethal - and they are well publicized.


45 posted on 11/03/2012 8:49:33 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

The people in the above article apparently live on the eastern border of Belle Harbor nearest to the Rockaways public housing.


46 posted on 11/03/2012 8:50:58 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Not including Roxbury, Rockaway Point, and Breezy Point, going from west to east on the peninsula are Neponsit ... Belle Harbor ... Rockaway Park/Seaside ... Rockaway Beach/Holland/Hammels ... Arverne/Edgemere ... Far Rock.

The three west end communities had major fires during the storm.

There are public housing projects in Hammels, Arverne, Edgemere and Far Rockaway.


47 posted on 11/03/2012 8:57:31 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Stentor

“I happen to be fond of my dog.”

I have two, one’s an 85 lb. Pitador who sleeps with me. The other, a 105 lb. Great Dane, sleeps on the living room couch. Pretty good protection and neither’s a four footed lawsuit waiting to happen.


48 posted on 11/03/2012 9:08:50 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: onona

Btw, what are using that requires D cells?


49 posted on 11/03/2012 9:12:59 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: bgill
permanent

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50 posted on 11/03/2012 9:19:52 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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