Skip to comments.2012 LIVE Official Recriminations Thread I
Posted on 11/07/2012 4:28:34 AM PST by sam_paine
Post your "I Told You So" Vanities here!
DON'T Start the 50-millionth Vanity thread!
Find your allies on either side:
In this corner: "Romney RINO wasn't conservative enough to really win Purple PA and Ohio!"
In the other: "The Social Conservatives scared off too many Indiots!"
We can have the bile out here and leave the other threads to sincere discussion. Then the Admins can delete this later when we're all embarrassed of what we've said.
The polls were right, except for Rassmussen who got every swing state wrong. Not to be trusted anytime soon.
I’ll kick it off!
Resolved: “The majority of people in Virginia, Ohio and Pennsylvania want a Shining City on the hill, but want it paid for by someone else.”
We still have John Boehner to kick around, at least!
I don’t think it was ideology as much it was that he was a Mormon Kerry.
It's ok. You can say that now.
It's the end of the "Concerned Troll"
Not so much a recrimination, but more a question.
Where’s Dick Morris......you know, Mr. “GOP/Romney tsunami” Morris?
If this election brought one shred of good news, it’s that most likely, he’s finished. No one with even a modicum of sanity will ever take him seriously again.
Americans on social programs, including seniors, thought that they would loose some or all of their benefits - the media made sure they were afraid of Paul Ryan.
I was so, so, so wrong about the outcome of this election.
I have a few days of figuring out what I missed before I go tooling on the Republicans for what they missed.
The illegals, fags, feminazis, junkies, drunks, permanent malcontents, etc. outnumber us and that’s it.
It was simple: Too many stupid, dependent people who vote.
Meanwhile, look on the bright side. When the economy goes over the cliff and the Middle East goes to hell in a handbasket, Obama will have no one to blame but himself.
Oh, sorry; forgot he’ll still find a way to blame Bush. And Sarah Palin.
The pockets of our greatcoats full of barley...
No kitchens on the run, no striking camp...
We moved quick and sudden in our own country.
The priest lay behind ditches with the tramp.
A people hardly marching... on the hike...
We found new tactics happening each day:
We'd cut through reins and rider with the pike
And stampede cattle into infantry,
Then retreat through hedges where cavalry must be thrown.
Until... on Vinegar Hill... the final conclave.
Terraced thousands died, shaking scythes at cannon.
The hillside blushed, soaked in our broken wave.
They buried us without shroud or coffin
And in August... the barley grew up out of our grave.
We can deceive ourselves pretty easily.
We watched the Ohio early voting that showed Obama less far ahead than 2008 and took that to mean we were doing great!
Mason-dixon got it wrong so did Suffolk
I never want to see Dick Morris face on Fox News ever again.
Frankly, right now the polls are the least of my worries.
1. Go after Obama on Benghazi.
2. Didn’t go after Obama and his close ties to Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood.
3. And why are so many politicians afraid to call an opponent a liar when their opponent lies.
For now. The GOP controlled house needs to eliminate every program supported by Democrats. Lets face it, giving Democrat voters will never lead to more votes for Republicans. Defund Education, the EPA, Commerce, Homeland Security, HHS, almost the entire Transportation department; and, most importantly defund Obamacare. Defund all government subsidies for all agriculture programs. Defund food stamps and federal unemployment benefits beyond 26 weeks.
Obama claims elections have consequences, and the GOP holds the purse strngs.
By my last count, Obama got 3 million fewer votes in 2012 than George W. Bush got in 2004. In fact, Obama's 2012 vote total was nearly identical to John Kerry's losing vote total in 2004 ... even though there are substantially more registered voters today.
Obama won narrow races in several key states. My quick review of the results last night indicates that North Carolina was the only state to change from one side to the other between 2008 and 2012. Like I said, this was not a very consequential election, and I suspect an awful lot of voters knew it a long time ago.
I don’t want to hear nonsense blaming Romney for one thing.
He was a good campaigner. I cried last night because while he may not be a right-winger, he is a good man and would have been an excellent leader.
I am depressed this morning, but we will survive.
Those who say America is done because a president won reelection by a smaller majority than the first time (the first time ever...) need to get a clue and have some Reagan optimism.
In addition, those who blame Christie are silly. Sandy hurt Romney, but not enough to lose.
Parties and trends are cyclical.
The GOP MUST find a way to get more votes from minorities and women, however.
Relying on the white vote to carry the day is no longer going to work. Our party must expand or it will eventually start losing because of that.
In this case, it largely did so....while our side turned out, so did the Dems.
Luckily the House is good. But, say goodbye to a conservative SCOTUS.
God bless you, Mr. Romney and your hard-fought campaign.
I am sorry I can’t call you my president today.
He’ll blame Congress. That meme has already started.
And in the long run, where did all that fighting get the Irish?
...or with their own home states:
Yep I’m dumbfounded
On merits, Obama should have lost against anyone. I think Romney did as good a job in the campaign as could be hoped.
Count me in as another one who thinks the real issue is that the Takers may have reached the tipping point.
Personally I think Romney ran a very good campaign, and the proof is that we got killed in the Senate and didn't do well in the House either. So the collapse was across the board.
Rather than recriminations I would suggest a more serious soul searching that tells us that this is NOT a "center right country" and not even "center left" but a LEFT WING country for now. It looks a lot like England in the decade before Thatcher. Worse, we have officially lost the young (if by a smaller margin than in 08) and that means they STILL are not getting it about the debt, unemployment, and their future.
Romney got the conservative vote. He didn’t get enough of the so-called independent vote. The rest of the votes, many representative of the demographic shift of the last 20 years, were beyond the reach of any Republican candidate for president deserving of the name and will remain so, especially with the naked partisanship of the MSM. Liberal Republican though he might be, he was too conservative for them. We have crossed the Rubicon, the point of no return. We can’t out-Democrat the Democrats not should we. The future is bleak but keep on fighting.
Meanwhile conservatives are birth-controlling themselves into oblivion.
Exactly. He was our John Kerry. Nothing more nothing less.
No other candidate in the primaries would have even been this close.
It is what it is. This country is no longer the republic as founded.
No clue where we go from here. Perhaps we wait until the HNIC forces his nation crushing policies down our throats, then perhaps the shootiing war will FINALLY start.. But I doubt it, it would interfere with the new episodes of Honey Booboo and Too Fat to F*ck
As for me. I’ll go through the motions.
The population has changed way too much to recover, so unless the GOP does a massive overhaul they will never win a presidential election again.
This isn’t a condemnation of R/R or us. It just is what it is.
The population has changed, and the majority feels it is the govts job to take care of them in all aspects of life.
We are Europe, thus we are now everything we fought to free ourselves from less than 3 centuries ago.
Again, it is what it is.
And that’s the way it is.
So long FR.
One of the startling numbers I saw from an exit poll last night was that Obama only won something like 56% of the voters in the 18-29 age group. These people were the core of his support in 2008. They lost interest in Obama because a lot of the 18-22 year-olds in 2008 are now college graduates with no jobs today.
What really happened here is that Obama's base of misfits and losers was supplemented by large numbers of gainfully employed middle-class people who saw no reason to change things after four years. Think auto workers in Ohio and Federal employees in Virginia, folks.
Well, they are blue states.
Elections have consequences.
Watch for a federal sales tax ....GST...its coming, so bend over and take it like a MAN!/S
The GOP must die.
All those “historic turnout”, “PA is in play”, “WI is in play”, “MN is in play”.. should get it through their thick skulls that those states are lost in the electoral reality.
it was and has always been about Ohio. It will most likely be about Ohio in the next presidential election too.
there are polls and there are polls and there are internal polls...
the pundits saw the internal polls and were satisfied that they were looking good....
that is why Morris and Beck and others talked of a landslide for Romney...
but no one figured about Soros and his project to enroll each secretary of state into his "plan"....all I know is that IMO the whole thing was a fix, from day one....not only the voting machines, but the whole shebang.....
But of course our petty disagreement didn't matter in the end. The only poll that matters was taken yesterday.
The GOP-e will. He was well-paid to false-flag cheerlead for them. He did his job.
two states with huge numbers of active and retired military went to Obama. Ohio and Florida. They already know about Benghazi. I really try to figure out how Romney going after Obama full steam about Benghazi would have gained him any votes in those states, among the groups that seemingly voted for Obama. Hispanics and women.
The country is on the dole, the have nots have won.
Did Romney match McCain’s numbers for seniors ?
Sandy might just have been the tipping point.
And Obama proved again that he can say anything and not be held accountable. Call him if you can’t get what you want from the feds. his phone should be melted. Not.
Let's stop letting "blue states" choose our nominee.
the pride in America is over....
Indeed. But let us not take this news as breaking. We've been crafting these young brownshirts in the Government Schools for 40 years.
Look at it this way. This election was not a turning point that we lost. Obama is merely a reflection of these years of decay.
If it were not for Obama, some other empty chair would've arrived.
To win in the future will take just one thing.
We need to somehow take over the MSM.
How many people would have to pool how much $$ and brains to pull off such a thing? It’s a huge task, but it is the task at hand I’m afraid.
It is the media that is the entire problem....see my tagline.
Think about it. What would the outcome have been if an honest MSM had been dogging Obama for 4 years?
That’s part of his plan to assist the caliphate, both over there and here, and destroy America from within. His agenda continues and will now accelerate.
This was not a major tide-turning election at all. The GOP simply needs to figure out how to attract votes from employed taxpayers (there are still a lot of them out there, folks). Obama did well among this group in all of these swing states.
In my opinion, the road to success for any Republican candidate is to successfully pit the growing mass of working immigrants against the leeches and losers who make up a huge chunk of the Democratic base. Like him or not, this is something that George W. Bush did very well.
I AGREE with you about the takers!
They now outnumber the producers.
Hey, I jammed my finger a few weeks ago.
Wonder if I can claim disability and get a check.
Dick Morris is like the weather man who’s always wrong. If Dick told me that it was going to be a perfect sunny day with clear blue skies in San Diego in late July, that tells me it’s actually going to be snowing with a daytime high of 22 degrees. Yes, in late July. In San Diego.
He’s finished, or at least should be.