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Romney wins white vote by same margin as Reagan did in 1980 landslide
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Posted on 11/07/2012 6:24:31 AM PST by MNDude

Mitt Romney won white voters by 20 points in today’s presidential election, according to exit polls, which is the same margin that Ronald Reagan won that demographic by in his 1980 landslide over Jimmy Carter. But given that white voters are a smaller percentage of the electorate these days and he’s doing poorly among minority voters, Romney is on the cusp of losing the election. In 1980, Reagan won white voters 56 percent to 36 percent, with third party candidate John Anderson taking 8 percent of the vote. He ended up beating Carter by 10 points and winning 44 states.

Romney has won white voters by the same 20-point margin, 59 percent to 39 percent. But the big difference is that in 1980, whites were 88 percent of the electorate, whereas in this election, they were just 73 percent.

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1 posted on 11/07/2012 6:24:40 AM PST by MNDude
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To: MNDude

This is going to grow.

A candidate who talked about using the voting booth as a tool for revenge would have been ran out of office in 1980.

Today, he gets re-elected. Because that growing demographic believes they are entitled to revenge against what ever group they are told have oppressed them.

Guess who will be in the streets rioting and destroying when the checks don’t and can’t come , anymore?


2 posted on 11/07/2012 6:28:40 AM PST by LMAO ("Begging hands and Bleeding hearts will only cry out for more"...Anthem from Rush)
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To: MNDude

Anyone who thinks the lesson learned by Republicans will be that they weren’t conservative enough is fooling himselve. Anyone who thinks that third parties will be anything other than ankle biters is also fooling himselve. Republicans will have to find a way to attract the Latinos who have some conservative values and also black Christians.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 6:31:33 AM PST by bkepley
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To: LMAO

A possible counterpoint to the demographics hypothesis… Romney netted less of the raw popular vote than McCain in ‘08, and Obama got less than Bush in ‘04.

https://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results

Unless there’s a few more million votes out there waiting to be tabulated.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 6:33:53 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: bkepley

They don’t have the SAME conservative values. Not going to make a blanket statement for all Latinos or family-first type blacks, but there is a huge “me-first” or entitlement mentality among a huge number. You can’t assume that because there is a value on having children and family in general that they are conservative politically. To some, one thing has nothing to do with the other.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 6:36:50 AM PST by 1L
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To: 1L

I’m saying Republicans will need to find a way to appeal to them. They have no choice.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 6:56:55 AM PST by bkepley
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To: MNDude

One of the things that this observation inevitably fails to bring up is that there are people who considered themselves “white” in 1980 who are now counted as “Hispanic” and there are plenty of “Hispanic” people who are every bit as “white” as plenty of other people who are counted as white.


7 posted on 11/07/2012 6:58:41 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: MNDude

One of the things that this observation inevitably fails to bring up is that there are people who considered themselves “white” in 1980 who are now counted as “Hispanic” and there are plenty of “Hispanic” people who are every bit as “white” as plenty of other people who are counted as white.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 6:58:52 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: MNDude

For 30 years, the frauds from both parties flooded the country with tens of millions of socialist foreigners and illegal aliens...While the corrupt big gov public schools totally brain washed the youngsters.

And now everyone is surprised?


9 posted on 11/07/2012 7:08:56 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: MNDude

Whites in the US will go the same way as whites in Africa, be afraid.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 7:19:47 AM PST by MadMitch (nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: bkepley
Republicans will have to find a way to attract the Latinos who have some conservative values and also black Christians.

I think you may be right, but it will be a very tough nut for most on this board to swallow. Latinos will not come along until they can get green cards for their family members. And I do think a serious outreach needs to be made to black preachers (not the Jeremiah Wright kind, the actual Bible-believing kind). They have been on the cutting edge of this societal decay for many decades, and should be our best allies in trying to combat it.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 7:23:05 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: MNDude

For two decades there has been an all out effort to flood the nation with Mexicans, Chinese, and every variety of muslim. The GOP was eyeballs deep in this.
Bush threw the door open for 8 years.

Now the fun begins, thanks A-holes.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 7:25:02 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: bkepley
I’m saying Republicans will need to find a way to appeal to them. They have no choice.

If it involves compromising on principle, I'd rather lose. I don't know aboaut you, or anybody else, but I am a conoservative first, and a Republican only so long as they are my best shot.

13 posted on 11/07/2012 7:27:03 AM PST by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: Utmost Certainty

“Romney netted less of the raw popular vote than McCain in ‘08”

So did Obama. He got less votes than McCain did. Romney got about 3.7 million fewer than McCain. The women and minorities of America screwed us good. But ultimately, the “stay at home” repubs who didn’t vote gave us ObamaII.


14 posted on 11/07/2012 7:29:34 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: dragnet2

“flooded the country with tens of millions of socialist foreigners and illegal aliens...While the corrupt big gov public schools totally brain washed the youngsters.”

Exactly! And though everyone always says “my 20 year old kid is super conservative”, thats not the trend. Most people would be shocked if they knew the thinking of something like 75 or 80% of what kids who graduated in the last 15 years think.

They think it’s a kinda cool to be gay and happily mingle with them. In every TV show they watch, the gay is the smartest, hippest, funniest character. They are solidly for abortion. They will openly say they think socialism is totally fine. They actually are for socialism. They have a deep smoldering hatred for anything traditionally “American”.

Many conservatives have no idea of what the under 30 crowd truly thinks.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 7:38:39 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: bkepley

This is not hard math. Latinos and African-Americans are both demographics to be mined by the GOP, but the party elite have been content to ignore for some time. Latinos would be easy to sway on social issues due to their Catholic faith and economic issues as many Latinos are self employed small businessmen. Similarly the African-American community is fairly conservative on issues of life and marriage... but the GOP ignored these people at their own peril.

There’s a reason the Obama administration moved fast to freeze, then destroy Republican candidates like Herman Cain and Rick Santorum. Both candidates were articulate and were able to present clear Conservative messages on social issues. Obama feared both because Cain presented a pigment problem, and Santorum presented a Catholic problem.

Imagine Herman Cain taking the stage on the evening of the GOP convention floor, laying out a clear, fiscally Conservative message to the country. Suddenly MSNBC and the MSM look stupid if they try to paint the GOP as racist. Imagine Cain speaking at the NAACP... you don’t think that would have moved the meter at all. Sure Obama would have won that demographic decisively, but there’s a big difference between 92% and 83%.

Santorum would have been able to address the “War on Women” in very clear and decisive terms and would have presented the Obamacare HHS mandate in clear terms which would definitely have swayed the Catholic vote. Romney danced around this issue. He talked about it in the primaries, but once he won the nomination he referred to it in very oblique terms like “religious liberty” rather than calling out the mandate and blasting away at the artificial “War on Women.”

I doubt the party learns its lesson, but who knows.

Yancy


16 posted on 11/07/2012 7:55:48 AM PST by gallandro1
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To: MNDude

The demographics are changing.

Part of it is Romney’s liberalism - he is a nice guy I’m sure but being a nice guy doesn’t win you elections and conservatives are lousy at outreach to women and minorities.

You can no longer win national election with white men alone - it ain’t enough.

And being as liberal as the Democrats are ain’t a winning strategy.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 8:25:42 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: MNDude

And Obama was elected by the same people who voted for JFK,wonder if the names will be checked?.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 8:52:06 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Utmost Certainty

“Romney netted less of the raw popular vote than McCain”

Not in the swing states.

But in the states where Obama won by double digits in 2008 many people didn’t bother to vote.


19 posted on 11/08/2012 3:44:19 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: MNDude

I still think something’s funny about those numbers. I think this election was stolen.

And I’m one who was called a CONCERNED TROLL by the Romneybots because I suggested that we take the pre-election polling data seriously (just in case) and my hastag: Keep Working Like we Are 10 points behind”

Polling numbers aside, there is NO WAY this man could have won an election after such a miserable 4 years as President.


20 posted on 11/08/2012 3:49:06 AM PST by tsowellfan
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Why did they kick out the GOP in Ohio on Election Day?

Sorry something smells fishy and I’m not the conspiracy type.

If he’ll post a forged document on the WH website just to hide whatever it is he’s hiding he’ll do ANYTHING.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 3:50:57 AM PST by tsowellfan
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To: MNDude
This is a great article. There was nothing Romney could have done, the demographics changed.
There is only one thing we can do, let America go and we can rebuild.
22 posted on 11/08/2012 3:55:04 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: gallandro1

Most Blacks and Hispanics will never go for the GOP because the GOP doesn’t offer enough freebies.


23 posted on 11/08/2012 3:58:31 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: goldstategop

It IS enough if they’d come out and you know, actually vote in numbers like women, but they don’t, and haven’t for the last few elections.


24 posted on 11/08/2012 4:02:07 AM PST by snarkytart
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To: LMAO

It reminds me of a person who lost a fight but says well I did well during second round. Big woop. Romney lost and lost badly. Next time we should pick a conservative instead of a liberal. Liberal against liberal you might as well pick the liberal you have already since nothing changes (that was said by many liberals). We conservatives better get out heads out of our butts and stop this stupidity that polls are wrong and that we were going to beat Obama by 40 states....how stupid people were here. Anyway, Thank God Santorum is young enough to run in 2016. I am convinced he would have won because he would have given voters a difference between two candidates. Romney vs Obama was not even a different choice. It was basically the same choice with a different letter behind their names. Conservatives better wake the heck up.


25 posted on 11/08/2012 4:07:50 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: Utmost Certainty

They stole it in the cities and through early voting. Just look at the county map. Solid red except for city pockets of blue.


26 posted on 11/08/2012 4:08:13 AM PST by jersey117
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To: MNDude

Listening to descriptions of how “Democrats got out their ground game” with “superior ability to bring those to the polls who normally would never go” by commentators on Fox election night....made me realize..what the Dems have is track names that HAVE NOT VOTED IN MANY, MANY elections cycles....and voting them. Probably by mail.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/23/No-Car-Finds-2-214-Registered-Voters-110-Years-of-Age-Older

A well-funded project, county-by-county..to examine the names signed in at at the polls..and going out to find those individuals..you’ll find they were never physically at he polls..or they themselves never filled out the absentee ballot....or their names in the death registers.


27 posted on 11/08/2012 4:11:53 AM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

lol sure

You’re not winning ANY of those poeple unless you start doling out the government benefits and even then why go with liberal lite when you can have the real thing? Not only that but what planet do you live? Are you around any black people or Hispanics? Do you understand the culturally engrained mindset that they have about how white people and white men in particular are basically the root to all evil? Do you not get this is what they get preached to even in their so-called churches and schools in their communities.
How you gonna reach out to people who hate you and don’t trust or respect you.

Trust me you’re off on this one.


28 posted on 11/08/2012 4:14:58 AM PST by snarkytart
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To: MNDude

As I recall, Reagan did much better with minorities as well, anyone have the statistics?


29 posted on 11/08/2012 4:24:32 AM PST by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: chesley
If it involves compromising on principle, I'd rather lose. Why not? It's the conservative way of winning.

Until we understand that politics is a zero sum game and you don't get to play unless you win we'll go on losing.

Let Akin and Mourdock be our best examples. You need to sell the honey and not the vinegar. Voters aren't interested in debating fine theological points. They're making a trust decision and if you sound like a nut, well...

30 posted on 11/08/2012 4:26:19 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Paradox
As I recall, Reagan did much better with minorities as well, anyone have the statistics?

That was the key - the Reagan Democrats - Reagan had a message for the AMERICAN PEOPLE - not just some %. His message was positive and inclusive and resonated with people.

31 posted on 11/08/2012 4:28:45 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: MadMitch

“Whites in the US will go the same way as whites in Africa, be afraid.”

I was laying in bed last night and could not sleep thinking about the election and that very thought came to my mind too...I pray to keep a clean heart but I feel outright hatred for the media (who refuses to report it) and these predators who are running the streets in this country NOW targeting people just because they are white....And every time I watch that video of Romney arriving at the airport in PA. to that HUGE crowd and the sorry turnout for the thug rallies something just does not fit when I am expected to just accept low turnout as the reason for the loss of this election.....I really wasn’t motivated for Romney, I was motivated to get Obama the hell out of there as were millions of others......Fraud on a grand scale.....


32 posted on 11/08/2012 4:42:29 AM PST by 3722535r
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To: MNDude

WELCOME TO GREECE!!! see you at the riots for 2 month summer vacations and retirement at 55.

me, gonna go get me a gyro and some baklava....

....and bury my guns in pvc pipe.


33 posted on 11/08/2012 4:43:13 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: MNDude

I don’t think conservatives and conservative republicans need to change their message, they need to get their message out and understood in minority communities. Just as Obama painted Romney as an evil, uncaring rich guy that hated women and minorities, the Democratic party has painted conservatives in the same light. Even most legal immigrants resent illegal immigration — it makes them look bad and they know a lot of criminals cross illegally. Many minorities are socially conservative. The fear of the Republican party has no basis in fact, just a face that has been painted on us by the idiotic left. They created a fake war on women— my gender stupidly fell for it. The hardest obstacle to overcome, in my opinion, is not our ideology but the outright “free stuff” bribery of a democratic welfare state that will bankrupt us all.


34 posted on 11/08/2012 4:53:02 AM PST by MacMattico
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To: MNDude

We had good candidates, we had good issues. But the reality is that elections are now decided by ethnic groups. The Democrats have been gathering up blacks, Latinos, Asians, Muslims. The Democrats continually call their opposition “racist”. Until we deal with these facts in earnest, we’re going to keep losing.


35 posted on 11/08/2012 5:05:26 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: LMAO

As long as the Democrats can maintain an iron hold on the ethnic minorities, we will lose.


36 posted on 11/08/2012 5:08:01 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: MNDude

The problem is that white turnout was below 2008 levels. For whatever reason, numerous portions of the electorate stayed home. The attack ads against Romney didn’t switch votes to Obama as much as they got blue collar white folks to not bother voting.


37 posted on 11/08/2012 5:12:11 AM PST by Numbers Guy
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To: MNDude

The problem is that white turnout was below 2008 levels. For whatever reason, numerous portions of the electorate stayed home. The attack ads against Romney didn’t switch votes to Obama as much as they got blue collar white folks to not bother voting.


38 posted on 11/08/2012 5:12:34 AM PST by Numbers Guy
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To: napscoordinator

” Next time we should pick a conservative instead of a liberal. “

And yet, in Indiana, Romney won and Mourdock lost. Missoury, Romney won, Akin lost. What was the difference?


39 posted on 11/08/2012 5:18:23 AM PST by Skylab
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To: snarkytart
You’re not winning ANY of those poeple unless you start doling out the government benefits and even then why go with liberal lite when you can have the real thing?
You hit the nail right on the head, including their hatred for whites.
The widening gap between black/white, rich/poor, left/right will continue for at least the next four years as that "47%" becomes larger and larger.
I'm afraid it'll get so bad that another civil war or military coup will be the only way to retake the country.
40 posted on 11/08/2012 5:29:09 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: MNDude

The media controls the message. The two stories are democrats good (care about the poor) and Republicans bad (rich and greedy).
Its a constant slow drip.
Meanwhile, 0bama flies around on OPM canpaigning the whole time he is in office?
Not to mention spending trillions without any real accountability..?


41 posted on 11/08/2012 5:38:59 AM PST by Leep (Are you smarter than a 7th grade math student and or Barack 0bama?)
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To: LMAO

Are the majority of hispanics, who are CAUCACIAN just like I am, included in those numbers. I guarantee you they are not. They should be.


42 posted on 11/08/2012 6:00:45 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: 1010RD
On the other hand, if you have to compromise your principles, you've already lost.

Money, yes.Compromise is easy if it's about how big the highway budget should be, or how much the Marines should get out of the defense budget.

What I think that you are missing is that in the matter of principles, any compromise is defeat. If, for example, you believe abortion is murder, then you are defeated when you start talking about trying to get them down to only 10,000 abortions a year instead of 100,000.

That said, when the choice is between a great evil (Obama) instead of a lesser evil (Romney), you go with the lesser evil.

I have no patience with those that say voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil. No, that is incorrect. you are voting to prevent whatever evil you have any power to.

43 posted on 11/08/2012 6:01:20 AM PST by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: Skylab

Both of them were morons who decided to talk about rape. When should rape ever be brought up on the campaign trail? NEVER!

I’d love to hear from all of the Akin-apologists who thought that he was going to win after his career-ending statement and refusal to drop out, it’s really nice that we actually have LESS representation in the Senate.

There’s no good reason why we lost Missouri, Indiana, Montana, and North Dakota. We’re screwed BIG TIME now that Reid’s going to get rid of filibustering, not that McConnell and co. have the guts to ever do it.


44 posted on 11/08/2012 7:55:32 AM PST by Shadow44
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To: oh8eleven

And they hatred and bullshit they’re fed is all due to the wonderful guilty white elites who run our educational system and this same mindset (white = bad and racist) is also heavily promoted in the media and pop culture from music to movies. Ah yes, brown people are all just victims in some way and the only people to make it level is big brother Federal Government ran by liberals to dole out the “justice.”
I’m telling people you’re not going to effectively reach out and win a significant amount of blacks and Hispanics in our society now a day. Maybe decades ago when this mentality wasn’t being pushed but now a day? Forget it. There’s noway to remain conservative in principles and get these two groups to make a move to your side.


45 posted on 11/08/2012 8:09:36 AM PST by snarkytart
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To: Shadow44

Nobody brought up rape on the campaign trail. Both were asked about rape and abortion during their debates.
They just blew the answer. They had to answer though.


46 posted on 11/08/2012 8:12:04 AM PST by snarkytart
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To: chesley
I think we mostly agree.

You wrote:What I think that you are missing is that in the matter of principles, any compromise is defeat. If, for example, you believe abortion is murder, then you are defeated when you start talking about trying to get them down to only 10,000 abortions a year instead of 100,000.

I'm in Cook County. If I'm not flexible I lose 100% of the time. If I can reduce spending just 1% that's a victory. That's money, but what about human life? If I can reduce abortions down from their current level in Illinois just by 1% that's a victory as well.

I have to go with the cards I'm dealt. If I have to go with civil unions to block marriage then I do. Those that say that civil unions are the Camel's Nose are living in a bubble. You can either lose 100% by "standing on principle" and watch your principles fade away or win some victory by continuing to influence the events around you as best you can.

Conservatives should be as gentle as lambs, but as wise as serpents...and the "good old days" never were.

47 posted on 11/08/2012 8:36:05 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: tsowellfan

Could very well be true. All it takes is a concentration of fraud in a few select counties in Ohio, FL, VA and the election is stolen.


48 posted on 11/08/2012 8:36:12 AM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: Skylab

Although we should always nominate true conservatives I don’t buy into the fact that Romney lost because he wasn’t conservative enough.


49 posted on 11/08/2012 8:44:57 AM PST by Wiggins
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To: 1010RD

Well, I think we m ostly agree, too. If you can’t get the whole loaf, take the 10%, or whatever.

My point is this. Fight for the perfect in the primaries, or at least the closest to what you want that you think can win. Then back the winner of the nomination as the lesser of two evils.

I haven’t actually voted for a Republican since Reagan’s last election. I vote against the party of Satan.


50 posted on 11/08/2012 9:35:09 AM PST by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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