Skip to comments.Gun Owners May Be In For An ‘Interesting’ Four Years
Posted on 11/07/2012 4:12:42 PM PST by marktwain
Covington VA --(Ammoland.com)- With the elections over now, gun owners are heading into what could be troubled waters.
I dont have a crystal ball, so were we are headed I cant say for certain.
However, based on the Obama Administrations past performance and President Obamas statements made during the debates, I will point out some of my concerns.
FUTURE FOR FEDERAL GUN-CONTROL **LAWS** First, with the Republicans maintaining control of the House and enough of the Senate to prevent things being ramrodded through, I dont see gun control, including an assault weapon ban, making it into law during the next two years.
(There will be another election in two years that could change things, so that is as far as one can look for now).
That is good news for gun owners because during the debates with Romney, President Obama hinted at wanting to do something with assault weapons. Obama also brought up inexpensive handguns, while speaking about the very high murder rate in Americas Gun-Control Heaven, Chicago.
I will not be surprised if Obama now starts to talk about gun control with every shooting that gets national attention. He also has Chicagos crime rate as an excuse to bring the subject up regularly.
While I think Congress will not vote for new gun control laws, we will need to keep a very, very close eye on Congress nonetheless.
FUTURE FOR MORE FEDERAL GUN CONTROL THROUGH OTHER MEANS One of the biggest threats for more gun control would be items that fall under the radar, which is what Obama told the Brady Campaign he was working on last year. Here is a list of things that the President could do without needing approval from Congress:
* Use BATFE and the Justice Department to run more staged projects like Fast and Furious, that make it look like lax gun control laws in the U.S. are causing mayhem and then taking actions to fix the problem. Most of the media would be a willing accomplice in such an endeavor as they were with Fast and Furious.
* Use BATFE to ban a variety of guns from import by making sure they dont fit a changing sporting requirement standard, with AKs being the first to go
* Use BATFE to require reporting of sales of certain firearms by gun stores, a de facto registration
* Use BATFE to make certain firearms into Class III weapons that require a tax stamp and registration for example shotguns that only have a pistol-grip for a stock
* Use BATFE to block import of military surplus ammunition
* Sign various U.N. treaties that affect our right to keep and bear arms. We will need the Senate (and maybe the courts) to block them
GUN CONTROL THROUGH THE SUPREME COURT AND LOWER COURTS Another danger is that there will be more Supreme Court appointments. Two anti-rights judges were appointed during Obamas last term Judge Kagan and the self-described wise latina Judge Sotomayor. There is only a one-vote pro-rights margin currently, and that could be wiped out easily. Dont count on the Senate to save the day they didnt with the last two appointments.
As more and more appointments are made to lower courts, I dont expect them to be pro-rights, either. The antis will be using courts more and more often to get what they cant get through the Legislative branch.
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I plan on making several purchases over the next couple months.
In an unfortunate turn of events, I lost all of my firearms last week in a tragic boating accident. They all fell to the bottom of the lake and recovery is out of the question. Thank heavens these laws will no longer apply to my, once, extensive and all encompassing collection of firearms.
What I want to know is, who will stand and fight them (violently) if it comes to it?
Taking away my right to self-defense, and make no mistake that’s exactly how I see it, is the ONE red line I would never except. And if that means my life, so be it.
Bummer. I hate when that happens. ;0
What? You Too??? My dad was moving all of our guns and ammunition across the Hood Canal and damned if the boat sprang a leak. Lost it all in about 2300 feet of water. What with all those rocky crags and fissure down there I doubt they’d find anything.
Article II will not survive an Obama-appointed Supreme Court.
Second amendment proponents have scored critical victories in the supreme court and in countless state and local level elections. We have packed the House of Representatives with pro-second amendment representatives and we are still the majority in that house. We have been stockpiling weapons and ammunition and reloading components. We have spent the past 18 years preparing for this fight. Don’t be afraid of these drug addicted fagots and freaks. Bring it you mother*****rs.
Myself, I’m avoiding any body of water larger than a bathtub like a vampire avoids Holy Water.
I’ve heard of the 3%’rs but I’m a bit skeptical. What’s needed are organized gun owners that are neighborhood based all over the country. For example. Assume Feds move in to try to confiscate firearms from a gun owner...a beacon could go out(2 way radio?) that would effectively “summon” other neighborhood gun owners to show up and surround the Feds who are trying to surround said gun owners home. Fanciful? Weird? Doable? We have to start somewhere.
It would be a start. I’ll check out the “3%””.
I bought a Mossberg 12Ga pump this morning. 5 guys in front of me when I showed up, 3 guys behind me when I was escorted to the checkout with my new pump. 3 employees working the counter when there is typically 1.
His firewall was Ohio. Ours is the House of Representatives. I don’t think he’ll be able to get anything significant passed with regard to the 2nd Amendment.
Can’t answer that question on this forum.
The Supreme Court?
Treaties don’t require the House. Conveniently, there’s a UN Arms Control treaty that’s up for approval...
The coincidental rise in unfortunate events resulting in lost firearms is simply amazing. It happened to three of my friends as well. I think a bizarre expansion of the Bermuda Triangle may be occurring in bodies of water all over the United States. I think we could be witnessing what is just the beginning of a new phenomenon. Quantum physicists may need to be called in to assist in developing a theory. I’m not a scientist, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn last night (well, a Motel 6 - I couldn’t afford a Holiday Inn after paying my taxes this quarter).
“Article II will not survive an Obama-appointed Supreme Court.”
What the hell is “Article II”? This thread among others on FR looks like a bunch of idiots responding.
He won’t try going through the house. He’ll try something “under the radar.” I don’t believe that he just gave up just because of the Fast and Furious screwup. No telling what kind of schemes are brewing.
I got two words for ya: "U" & "N"...
I cannot find a reason to answer your question on an open and public forum - it’s not exactly a soup question.
Any number of guns is useless without the will to kill. Look them right in the eye and pull that trigger.
“I lost all of my firearms last week in a tragic boating accident. They all fell to the bottom of the lake and recovery is out of the question. “
So, what you’re saying in your cutsie sort of way is that we can count you out from manning up and standing up to be counted. Gotcha. My weapons didn’t fall anywhere. They are right here ready to be used as needed. Count me in.
When one talks about loosing their guns overboard or burying them, they should realize it is time to clean them, oil them and load them. Use them when they come to your door.
The government doesn’t have enough people to enforce any gun control laws if enough Americans stand up to them. Do you think those TSA types or those recent graduates from that FEMA/DHS course will have the the stones to go to more than two houses when the people in those house fight back? I don’t think they will go to the second house. Stand up and get ready!!
I've had exactly the same thoughts, but I think the states will have to take the lead here to protect firearms dealers.
What I mean is this: with a variation on CC, a modicum of training (or prior military service) gets you enrolled in the state militia. A gun dealer goes through a similar process to become an official state militia armorer. If the FFL is pulled without cause, the armorer orders from the state, which places his orders for him, and continues to sell to state militia members.
I think this arrangement is constitutionally untouchable, probably even if Class III firearms were included.
In reality, it would depend on the state's willingness to go after BATFE agents operating in its jurisdiction.
I don't think either Texas or Arizona would have problems with that at this point.
I hear the price of ammo just doubled.
“What the hell is Article II? “
Yes,I am subject to a common failing, making an error. So very sorry.
As no doubt you have been able to surmise, given the context, I meant to refer to Amendment II, Bill of Rights.
No, I think he is saying that if the Feds come for his guns, they won’t be found..... in a cute-sie sort of way. ;-)
Americans own over 275 MILLION guns
I’m just saying...........
We have loss.
“:No, I think he is saying that if the Feds come for his guns, they wont be found”
Anyone thinking those coming for guns would find any excuse, cutsie or not, acceptable completely misses the intent on a gun grab. They would hog tie his ass so fast and throw him in the back of the truck with prejudice to make his silly head spin. Nothing less than “Here they are.” will do. Gun owners had better be ready to take the fight to them.
Hey Joe... Like the Gadsden flag you’re flying but I have a question “shouldn’t the snake be facing the other (left) direction?”
Are you really advocating to put people on lists in order to purchase firearms? That is EXACTLY what they want.
Shoot the blue helmets first.
It won’t come to that. They’re not THAT stupid.
Instead, they’ll pursue a dual strategy of “starvation” and “death by a thousand cuts”.
The Obama can order the BATFE to slow, stall, or stop its facilitation of the arms business. Increase inspections, slow paperwork processing, or just flat out refuse to approve anything needing their approval. NICS stops, FFLs fold up, imports halt ... you can buy whatever you want, but nobody can sell to you retail. Glock, Sig, FN, Wolf, etc - no more imports. I’ve already seen waiting periods take down good stores because the customer base dried up; imagine all “instant” checks failing to process, everyone having to wait 3-5 days. Consider every mandated FFL renewal going unprocessed; businesses expire for lack of one paper.
Sure, you can keep what you have, but no resupply of consumables (ammo), no repairs, nothing new. Private sales still legal, but prices increase 10-100x (see the legal machine gun market).
No door-to-door confiscations, but huge increase in hassling. Federal agencies directed, and other jurisdictions encouraged, to assume all guns contraband until proven otherwise. NY and other states start their gun laws with “all firearms are illegal” then list exemptions; as LEOs are not expected to understand the nuance of laws, just throw anyone found with a gun into a cage and let the courts sort it out.
And of the courts, the Obama just lets cases pile on. Long delays, high costs, frequent rulings in his favor, years before the core problems percolate up to an already-bought Supreme Court.
Thanks, Congress, for handing the 2nd Amendment to a hostile Executive Branch.
If there is a better and more effective way than this to get around the BATFE and the FFL requirement, let me know.
The real issue, as you noted, is the FFL problem and interstate shipment of ammo and firearms.
I think the only legal solution to that issue is having the states start creating a semi-organized militia-- if you have the equivalent of CCW training, you can get what you want from a state armorer.
The state buys the firearms and sells them to you as a militia member, possibly using existing FFL holders as the base of armorers.
Of course, when the BATFE swoops in they'll have to be stopped by state or local law enforcement. Or the local militia.
Texas could secede. We have better technology than the civil war era. The message WILL get out.
Better on that: the state can then authorize members to buy new (yes, post-’86) machine guns for themselves. It’s a loophole in 922(o).
(I have a theory some very high politicians own, themselves, new machine guns. It’s legal with the right connections, which they keep very quiet.)
Yep-- any official member of a state militia can be equipped with automatic weapons.
Shoot the blue helmets. I didn't vote for Romney.
I sure dinna vote for the halfrican.
My son did an incredibly stupid thing on Tuesday night. So yesterday wasn't good.
Today we got word my wifes father died. She is already fighting with the state, unemployment, and getting her (God let it be) new business license. And my son. And me. (we're broke)
So my SIL gets word of the FIL's death and heads for the hunting camp where my BIL is. Rolls her truck and dies. 2 dead today. Yay for us.
Aren't ya proud of me Mod? I got this whole thing in without too much fuss. Must be the new me.
I always wanted a 22 pistol and Academy has the Sig Sauer “non-threaded” for 329.00 and the “threaded” for 369.00 or so.
Probably within the next 2 weeks.
Interesting that you post that image considering it was Charlton Heston himself that helped get passed the 1968 Gun Control Act that forbis under 21 getting handguns, outlawed interstate gun sales, mail order gun sales, etc. Don’t take my word for it; google Heston and the 1968 GCA along with the NRA. They got it passed but haven’t done a thing to get it repealed.
Oh my, sorry to hear that.