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Puerto Rico wants to become the 51st state of the US
BBC News ^ | The Day After | 7 November 2012

Posted on 11/07/2012 6:39:20 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

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To: donmeaker

There is nothing in the Texas constitution allowing internal partition.

Where is the legal documentation reflecting the provision you refer?

Thanks.


201 posted on 11/08/2012 11:47:46 AM PST by Hulka
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To: wardaddy

My gawd. . .outstanding rant.

Well stated.

Proud of you.


202 posted on 11/08/2012 11:53:58 AM PST by Hulka
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To: ME-262

Excellent. Simply excellent.


203 posted on 11/08/2012 12:15:26 PM PST by Hulka
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To: MinorityRepublican
Hey wasn't there a bunch of people who just went on top of the statue of liberty to do exactly the opposite?
204 posted on 11/08/2012 12:16:33 PM PST by Toddcc
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To: wardaddy

Si! lol

You left out the apathetic. I know many people in their 20’s and 30’s that just shrug when you discuss “issues”.

Talk about left handed lesbian lacross and they know everything.

Tell them there is a buy one get two free beers happy hour at Twin Peaks and they’ll discuss it for a week.

Can’t get through to them so I’m no longer going to try. And I’m no longer going to visit their workplaces and no longer tip them (and I’m a big tipper). See how many nights out they can afford not paying attention without my money.

Going Galt and looking into Costa Rica and Panama.


205 posted on 11/08/2012 12:28:48 PM PST by Fledermaus (2012: The year the Constitution died.)
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To: PghBaldy

actually, I think the Governor of Puerto Rico could give conservative lessons to Mitt Romney.


206 posted on 11/08/2012 1:52:51 PM PST by Segovia
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To: Perdogg; Clint N. Suhks; cll
Bush 41 was for Statehood too...

I remember his jingle when he ran for President in 1980 (Republican Puerto Rico Primary)... I was 14 years old, but I remember it like it was yesterday:

"Me gusta George Bush porque dice 'Estadidad Ahora!'

Me gusta George Bush por su gran sinceridad

Y porque Puerto Rico estado es lo que quiero

En las primarias, mi voto es por George Bush"

Loosely translated:

I like George Bush because he says 'Statehood Now!'

I like George Bush for his great sincerity

And because I want Puerto Rico to become a state

In these primaries, my vote is for George Bush.

207 posted on 11/08/2012 2:36:52 PM PST by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: sean327
I could not help but respond to your post. I am not here much, and therefore don't get very involved in debates, etc.

But I have been waiting my whole life for race and ethnicity not to matter.

For what it's worth, I think a person's ideals are far more important than race or ethnicity. Let me correct that - race is not important to me.

Maybe I am naive. But all I care about is that people come here legally, learn the language, become loyal Americans, pay their taxes, and not become a public charge. No less, and no more, than my ancestors did.

Frankly, I wish more of our native-born population could do the same!

I don't care what color someone is, but what their ideals are. I must be missing something, but race seems to be more of an issue now in some ways than before. I vote conservative and Republican because I think they generally don't do the race-baiting and division as do the Democrats.

I just want to be judged as a person, not a race. And I'll do the same. Is it really that difficult, I ask?

I celebrate my ancestors’ heritage one day a year. No more, no less.

I will oppose any group that says the county belongs to this race or that race - whether the group is white, black, brown, or anything else.

I would not be happy to see any bashing of any group on this site, except an ideological group based on behavior.

And thank you for serving the country. The first day you put on the uniform, you showed more courage than I have in my whole lifetime For what it's worth, I also think it's insulting to Hispanics for some to believe that amnesty for illegal aliens will automatically cause all Hispanics to vote for them. To me, that's like assuming one could win the Irish vote by de-criminalizing drunk driving, or that going easy on the Mafia would win Italian support. Most people of all types want the laws enforced! I know many people who are Hispanic who do not want to be associated with some of the groups and causes supposedly "in their name."

208 posted on 11/08/2012 2:41:26 PM PST by cvq3842 (Thanks for all responses, and flames, in advance.)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

be honest, would we get two Republican or Democrat senators from PR?


209 posted on 11/08/2012 2:42:51 PM PST by Perdogg
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To: Paradox

The polling data I have seen indicates that when corrected for income, Hispanics vote Republican in the same proportion as whites do. But right now the Hispanic population is, on the whole, much poorer than the white population.


210 posted on 11/08/2012 2:46:37 PM PST by cvq3842 (Thanks for all responses, and flames, in advance.)
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To: Perdogg

Dem all the way, baby!

(Other than our former Governor Fortuño - who lost on Tuesday - I can count the Republicans in Puerto Rico with one hand. However, the citizens and islanders are very religious, pro-life and not into the whole gay marriage thing).

Off Topic: Did you see that L.A. County voted on a question about using condoms in pornographic films — and the measure won 56% to 44%? California is so freakin’ funny!


211 posted on 11/08/2012 2:49:21 PM PST by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

yes I saw that one star said he was leaving CA.


212 posted on 11/08/2012 2:53:26 PM PST by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

Jeff Probst had two porn stars on his talk show today... I was intrigued by the whole thing (could this be a subliminal message of suburban motherhood middle-aged pre-menopausal oppression?)

A bunch of my sorority sisters and I are meeting up in DC this weekend and tearin’ it up... we’re in dire need of alcohol and ‘alone time’...


213 posted on 11/08/2012 2:56:55 PM PST by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: Perdogg

‘alone time’

That sounded somewhat Lesbian — but it’s ‘alone time’ from our husbands and kids...


214 posted on 11/08/2012 2:59:43 PM PST by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Once you said that I was going to ask if I could come and watch.


215 posted on 11/08/2012 3:07:06 PM PST by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

Our days of 1980s fraternity and sorority debauchery are long gone...........


216 posted on 11/08/2012 3:19:32 PM PST by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: MinorityRepublican; wardaddy
A Third World miscegenated craphole were the majority of the population uses the WIC card, and whose "statehood" party is comprised of opportunists who caucus with both Republicans and Democrats, but who share a common cause of promising more benefits from the Great White Father if they approve statehood.

Whether in Jersey or Orlando, Ricans vote for the party that gives them the most bennies. It wont be any different if we gave them statehood. Havent the demographics of Tuesdays election taught is anything?

217 posted on 11/08/2012 4:56:48 PM PST by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: MinorityRepublican
I am not sure 54% is enough. Let's say in 5 years they change their mind. Do we just let them go?
218 posted on 11/08/2012 5:32:06 PM PST by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: Hulka

It was in the US annexation of Texas, IIRC, that Texas had the authority to divide itself into as many as 5 states.


219 posted on 11/08/2012 5:53:55 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: beef

Only with the agreement of the rest of the states...


220 posted on 11/08/2012 6:07:24 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Hulka

Texas annexation was by Joint Resolution of Congress, and put to a vote, and agreed to by the electorate of Texas.

The Joint Resolution of Congress has the provision permitting Texas to divide itself.

On the other hand, Texas claimed more land, and some of the land they claimed has been divided into parts of what are now New Mexico, Colorado, Kansas, and Wyoming.

So it would be an interesting court case, and I don’t know how it would end. Of further interest it may be the kind of controversy that would, per Article 3 of the Constitution, have the SCOTUS as original juridiction.


221 posted on 11/08/2012 6:11:53 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Clemenza
A Third World miscegenated craphole...

Kind of like Texas?

222 posted on 11/08/2012 6:13:37 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Welcome PR to the club of irrelevance. Everyone not in OH, FL feel your pain. Maybe we conservatives should all move there 4 months before the next election.

I’m not advocating an end to the electoral college. The concept was brilliant and prescient 220 years ago. Federalism didn’t want small states to crush big states. No reason why people in TN should pay for the sins of profligate politicos in CA.


223 posted on 11/08/2012 6:46:01 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: ME-262

what you said...a few of us get it

many do not

just look at our idiots on TV

sickening


224 posted on 11/08/2012 8:54:13 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Vision; Hulka

that was an excellent question


225 posted on 11/08/2012 8:56:06 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: sean327

Sean.....I love Hispanics for what its worth....I love immigrants for the most part..


226 posted on 11/08/2012 9:02:17 PM PST by cherry
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To: sean327
Sean...completely on target......Hispanics have as long a history in this country than most of us of other European heritage.....

we need more very loud very visible and very dynamic Hispanic leaders in the pub party....

I've sent money to Raul Labrador fwiw...

227 posted on 11/08/2012 9:05:31 PM PST by cherry
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To: AuH2ORepublican; All

Actually DC has more like 630,000 population and is adding more than 1,000 a month. My jaw drops every time I go downtown. Cranes decorate the skyline. What would make sense would be to return the chunk of DC that was ceded to VA, illegally I have heard (research needed). DC has more population than at least 4 states. It is totally unfair that DC residents pay 100% taxes when they have only 40% representation while PR pays $0 federal income tax with 0% representation.

A bill could be approved in Congress reducing the Federal income taxes paid to what the DC voting rights would make fair, 40% taxes at present, 60% if the Delegate were given voting rights, and 100% only if two senators are added. Regarding electoral votes. I have heard that DC is currently fixed at 3, although the population should entitle DC to 4 electors. I don’t know if that could be fixed by Congress or if that would be a constitutional question. The 2012 payment to the Federal government of Individual income taxes and FICA was around $17 billion. I don’t know what percentage of that total is FICA, but I strongly suspect it is not more than half. If DC residents were only paying 40% Federal tax, they would have higher personal incomes to pay DC income tax which would be more than enough to pay for the DC government items that currently are not affordable and continue to motivate cries for a commuter tax. The current infighting for funds amounts to somewhere between 1/2 and $1 billion dollars which would probably be the range that would be incoming. Thank you for this detailed and thoughtful analysis.


228 posted on 11/08/2012 10:23:41 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: wardaddy

Wardaddy, I can’t believe that the Republicans are even thinking about comprehensive immigration reform.

What they haven’t been able to understand is that their base stayed home!

Lordy...out here, sure, Hispanics are so-cons, but they do love the unions, and they love free stuff!

If Boehner thinks they will vote republican, he will have a very rude awakening on another election day.

BTW, have you heard that the Republicans want to get rid of so-cons?

If they are successful, they will never, ever win another election.

BTW, awesome rant! Very worthy!


229 posted on 11/09/2012 12:01:46 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (The most massive vote fraud in history has just occurred. We don't know by whom, just yet.)
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To: ME-262; wardaddy

I “get” it.

Thank you for an excellent post!


230 posted on 11/09/2012 12:17:37 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (The most massive vote fraud in history has just occurred. We don't know by whom, just yet.)
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To: Vision

As “they” say: “ooohhh. . .SNAP”


231 posted on 11/09/2012 6:56:25 AM PST by Hulka
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To: donmeaker

Appreciate it.

I read the Texas constitution and see no reference to how Texas would sub-divide (or how they would do it).

So, thus far, I understand Texas was admitted to the Union by a Joint Resolution of Congress. I ask, in this joint resolution were Texans granted the right to sub-divide?

If so, do you have a citation/link I can read that resolution permitting sub-division? Hate to ask, as you have been patient.

Regarding the other areas originally claimed by Texas, those territories, were they not defined by the federal government and not Texas, so Texas did not themselves, sub-divide (as that would be prohibited by the consitution).

Seriously, not arguing, really want to find out so I may become more deeply aware of the facts.

Thanks.


232 posted on 11/09/2012 7:05:35 AM PST by Hulka
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To: gleeaikin
Interesting.

DC is not a state, it is a federal territory, the seat of the federal government.

So, should the federal government have representation within the peoples House and the Senate where states are represented? DC is not a state so the Senate is right out, but the “peoples house,” that is interesting. Since DC was never intended to have representation in either House of Senate, I think not because DC was never intended to be a “state,” but “federal” and we all know how sacred the divide is between the federal government and the states.

So, if the federal government had representatives in the House and Senate then the federal government would be representing themselves alongside states, intruding upon the sovereign responsibilities of the states and the people.

Interesting. . .

233 posted on 11/09/2012 7:15:15 AM PST by Hulka
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To: sean327

Unfortunately not nearly enough Hispanics are conservative according this article. The rest just want free $h!t.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332916/why-hispanics-dont-vote-republicans-heather-mac-donald

“And a strong reason for that support for big government is that so many Hispanics use government programs. U.S.-born Hispanic households in California use welfare programs at twice the rate of native-born non-Hispanic households. And that is because nearly one-quarter of all Hispanics are poor in California, compared to a little over one-tenth of non-Hispanics. Nearly seven in ten poor children in the state are Hispanic, and one in three Hispanic children is poor, compared to less than one in six non-Hispanic children. One can see that disparity in classrooms across the state, which are chock full of social workers and teachers’ aides trying to boost Hispanic educational performance.”


234 posted on 11/09/2012 9:55:19 AM PST by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: desertfreedom765

Perhaps but first things first have to build a northern, eastern, and western wall with the illegals...then kick their butts out. Should be plenty of extra housing when the 5-6 million folks on welfare move out to get their safety net. Then we will do immigration interviews.


235 posted on 11/10/2012 4:09:01 AM PST by JohnD9207 (Isn't freedom worth fighting for?)
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To: wardaddy
Kiss my butt...if non whites can't get the message about liberty and Constitutional government then I'm not gonna excuse them..I'm gonna fight them and call them for what they are

and calling me bigot quit bothering me decades ago when I shed my freedom rider youth..after realizing my unappreciated folly


Yeah, I now where you're coming from. This has been festering for a while but I think with the election of the Bamster, this has been blown wide open. Many I have talked to, think the same as you. I'm thinking the same. When Bammy was elected in 2008, I saw 70 years of rage in Mom's eyes, and I felt 42 year of rage. Add 4 years and we are the same, plus Mom literally threw up, she was so sick when they called it for Bammy election night.

Until I know the true ideology of someone who is a minority, I an very aloof. If they believe in hard work, freedom and the right to keep your stuff, AND PROVE IT, then I welcome them as friends and fellow soldiers in the cause of liberty. I don't care in that case if you're Black, White, Mexican, etc. Still, I find it uncanny that minority groups as a whole or a large fraction thereof stick together and are usually out to mooch off the public coffers for real or imagined past injustices. Bad things happened to everyone's ancestors. I'm part Jew, my Russian Jewish ancestors were victims of the pogroms but I don't see that as an excuse to claim the product of another's labor.

However, it is not all the fault of minorities that voted for Bammy, they are a huge part of the problem as stated above but the blame can be put upon White liberals and liberals of all stripes too who want something for nothing. I blame single mom's of all stripe who look to government to be big daddy to the kid and a husband to them.

Bammy has set race relations to 1970, well, even further back and yes, like you, I have become hardened too. It hurts me to be this way but if my country, way of life and survival is at stake, then I have to be hard as I can. I hate having these thoughts though.
236 posted on 11/10/2012 7:38:35 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Travis McGee

I agree with you on demographics.


237 posted on 11/10/2012 9:11:03 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Hulka

Somehow I don’t think that our founders would have wanted 630,000 citizens to have no vote on how their taxes are spent, so either give DC the votes, or stop taxing. At least 4 states have smaller population. I think the founders would be amazed at how many people now life in DC.


238 posted on 11/10/2012 11:50:41 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: xzins; AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; sickoflibs

VA got their piece back it’s all MD.

We can’t do that to Maryland, they would never a Republican again, may not anyway but still. And the poor Maryland taxpayers.

I support making a new state only if liberal suburbs in both Va and MD are added as Auh2o suggests.

If democrats would never agree to that then the residents of DC can pound sand as far as I’m concerned, I’d take away their electoral votes if I could. I know I am very mean.


239 posted on 11/12/2012 1:30:05 AM PST by Impy (Boehner for President - 2013)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; cll

I didn’t even know Fortuno was in any danger.

And the legislature is lost to the PPD as well? Damn.

Yet they voted for statehood, curious.

And of course the PNP democrat Res Com won and I assume is now the face of the party?

Icky. I am sorry, you must be crestfallen. Though no more so than the rest of us.


240 posted on 11/12/2012 1:35:46 AM PST by Impy (Boehner for President - 2013)
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To: gleeaikin
Most DC residents don't pay taxes.

And the founders probably never envisioned people would LIVE on the federal reserve, therefore, DC is not to be granted a senator because that is for states, and the House, that is for representatives of the people of the states.

Giving representation to the federal government is nonsense.

241 posted on 11/12/2012 11:39:53 AM PST by Hulka
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To: wardaddy

I agree with everything you said. 100%

I grew up in inner city philly as a child from first gen immigrant catholic parents...they taught me well. My Dad said the media and crazy immigration was going to kill this country (along with unions) and he was right. That was back in the 70s.

It’s all about who can give the most freebies now and nothing else matters. Sick but it’s the way it is.

And yes, the color of skin matters to those of us who lived with it and see the demographic facts coming into play now. But, we’re racist, lmao.

I may be a part of the minority in this country now (I’m white with no victim status doncha know)but I will never be subjugated.

I’m far from a religious fanatic/religious statist (and hate their version of govt too), and I see how the liberals have taken over our institutions while those of us who respect the Constitution allowed it to happen.

Our demographic has changed drastically and it astounds me that so many still don’t see it. The Immigration Act of 1965 was the beginning. 45+ years later we are reaping the rewards, ha. FDR and then LBJ’s welfare society, war on poverty, breakdown of the family, generations of welfare recipients who live a decent life and are no where near poor, out of control birth rates among blacks (oh my that’s racist to say, lol), single parent households (among blacks again astronomical...but it’s racist to point that out).

Facts are racist now.

And white trash. So many more of them. Because of the freebies. The breakdown of the family. More welfare when it’s a single mom, etc.

It’s all disgusting. IMO.

I have mixed race fam members and I love them but they are victim class and sucking from the govt tit and I’m paying for it and they relish their victim status.

All I can do is raise my kids to have dignity even when it means nothing. Even when it means they will be supporting all the low lifes (my kids said yesterday, thats the term they remember me saying the most). And, there’s low lifes in every financial bracket.

Yeah, diversity sucks for those of us who pay for all this diversity.

I’m Catholic and I refuse to financially support my parish now as it’s so liberal I’m done. Good luck with getting the diverse group to donate, lol. I’m still a practicing Catholic but not one more penny goes to supporting my liberal parish in this affluent area. I’m done donating my time and money to the parish, to the public schools, etc.

We’re already paying tons for healthcare, HSA, with my husband’s job and I’m tired of not going to the dr when I’m sick because I’m afraid of going over our amount (we have a $4000 deductible for dr visits and $8,000 for everything else...and we pay tons for the premium) while low lifes get free health care. And, we will pay more for Obamacare.

We did everything the right way and now we are getting screwed for that. So I’m done.

The majority of immigrants decades ago were far different than those today. The sooner everyone understands that, the better. But, they won’t. That’s racist.


242 posted on 11/23/2012 8:58:50 PM PST by Twink
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To: wardaddy

Another thing...I stopped caring long ago if I was called racist or bigot. And a couple years ago, I stopped caring what dots on the screen thought of me. It’s very freeing :)And the only people I cared about, those I valued their opinion from the time I was teenager was my parents so the whole peer thing didn’t affect me. I care about the opinions of those I care about and their opinions matter to me. Everyone else can KMA.


243 posted on 11/23/2012 9:04:01 PM PST by Twink
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