Posted on 11/07/2012 8:08:45 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
Vote fraud is no big deal, right? It hardly ever happens. It’s so rare that it’s not even worth discussing. Anyone who claims to take the integrity of our ballots seriously is cynically exploiting phantom fears for the purpose of suppressing the Democrat-loving minority vote.
To keep that silly narrative alive, it’s important not to read the Sunday edition of the Columbus Dispatch, in which readers were informed that “more than one out of every five registered Ohio voters is probably ineligible to vote.”
Furthermore, “in two counties, the number of registered voters actually exceeds the voting age population: Northwestern Ohio’s Wood County shows 109 registered voters for every 100 eligible, while in Lawrence County along the Ohio River it’s a mere 104 registered per 100 eligible.”
31 more counties report over 90 percent voter registration, which is a good 20 percent higher than the national average. The Buckeye State sure is civic-minded! Well, except that 1.6 million of the 7.8 million registered voters in the state haven’t voted in at least four years. So I guess they were civic minded, once upon a time. Never fear – I’m sure plenty of those “inactive” voters will reactivate themselves just in time for Barack Obama’s re-election.
You might think these astonishing statistics indicate a crisis-level voter registration problem requiring immediate attention, particularly since this is 2012, not 1912, and modern technology gives us extremely potent tools for accurately managing massive amounts of data. But Attorney General Eric Holder disagrees. Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted sent Holder a letter back in February, warning that “common sense says that the odds of voter fraud increase the longer these ineligible voters are allowed to populate our rolls… I simply cannot accept that.” Husted said existing federal regulations “limit Ohio’s ability to remove ineligible names, thereby increasing the chance for voter fraud.”
No one from the Justice Department ever responded. Conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch, which called Ohio’s voter registration train wreck to Husted’s attention, is now suing him for failing to take action, beyond issuing a “directive” to remove ineligible voters that Judicial Watch describes as “all bark and no bite,” since there is no evidence that anything was actually done.
Judicial Watch has already filed a similar lawsuit against the State of Indiana, and says other states with disturbing levels of ineligible registered voters include Mississippi, Iowa, Missouri, Texas, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Florida, Alabama, California, and Colorado. Florida’s struggle to clean up its rolls, in the face of active hostility from Eric Holder’s Justice Department, has already made headlines.
Nationwide, the Pew Center for the States estimates about 24 million ineligible voter registrations, including “more than 1.8 million dead people listed as voters; about 2.75 million with voter registrations in more than one state; and about 12 million voter records with incorrect addresses, meaning either the voters moved or errors in the information make it unlikely any mailings can reach them.”
The National Voter Registration Act includes provisions “to ensure that accurate and current voter registration rolls are maintained,” but somehow that part of the NVRA doesn’t seem to count. It’s painfully obvious that we don’t have accurate and current voter registration – not even by the standards of the early Twentieth Century, let alone the early Twenty-First – but the only parts of the NVRA we ever hear cited are the passages that can be used as roadblocks against cleaning up the rolls, or keeping fraudsters away from the polls.
Without solid voter identification laws, every one of these phony registered voters presents an opportunity for fraud – and of course, Eric Holder is dedicated, above almost every other consideration, to blocking voter ID laws. And vote fraud on this scale is not a mess that can be cleaned up after the election. If a candidate wins a tough swing state like Ohio by, let us say, 5000 votes, and it is later discovered that 6000 false votes were cast in the election, the Presidency is not going to be taken away and given to the defrauded opponent. It’s not even like one of those sports scores that picks up an asterisk due to questionable circumstances. It won’t matter at all… except as another data point to be erased from the public mind, when vote fraud defenders crank up the machinery of fear and ignorance for the 2014 midterms and 2016 presidential campaign. And no one on the Left will express a single moment’s remorse for the legal voters who were disenfranchised by stolen ballots. They won’t have names and faces; no one will be paraded through media interviews to complain about the theft of his or her vote in a historic election.
Vote fraud must be prevented, not investigated after the fact. There is absolutely no logical reason for a computerized society to tolerate thousands of ineligible voters on its rolls. The state of Ohio is not a third-world banana republic. At least, it’s not supposed to be one. The sacrifice of national pride, and even self-respect, required to meekly accept counties with 110 percent voter registration is astonishing.
For what it’s worth.
Ping.
Were there any pastel-blue-helmeted UN poll watchers making sure Ohio is NOT a third-world entity?
Yeah democrats!!! don’t you know your supposed to be preventing voter fraud???
Yeah... I think they heard me that time.
9/17/2012 Published.
Date correction.
Sorry for the mistake.
Did Kasich fall asleep? A rat would have taken care of this if it were something that would get in their way. I know they were trying to do something in New Mexico and the rats went nuts.
“The state of Ohio is not a third-world banana republic. “. It will be soon enough, along with the rest of the country.
Think of Detroit as the model.
Bookmark.
They kill babies and support perverse sex acts as equivalent to marriage.
What is voter fraud to Democrats?
Got to keep the food stamps coming.
There is no good reason for Romney, et. al. not to pursue this and seek investigation on a state level in OH, VA, CO, etc.
One thing I found troubling is that I could download a voter registration file from Franklin County, Ohio — there were people registered from 1800 and such — but also their names, ages, and voting history for the last 12 years.
One thing I found troubling is that I could download a voter registration file from Franklin County, Ohio — there were people registered from 1800 and such — but also their names, ages, and voting history for the last 12 years.
Vote totals:
2008:
OBama 69,297,997
McCain: 59,597,520
2012
Obama: 54,773,837
Romney 53,716,689
Those are the statistics. We saw Obama and Bruce Springsteen only able to draw 200 in Cleveland, OH, the largest metropolis in the State of Ohio. We saw Romney draw over 20,000 in a Podunk town in Pennsylvania that no one heard of. We saw long lines in early voting, which I never experienced before. We saw even longer lines on election day with polls staying open for hours to accommodate those already in line at closing time.
These facts do not align. How can we have longer lines at early voting and election day yet record 20,000,000 fewer votes cast?
Exactly what I was saying all day. The election last night was riddled with voter fraud...no question. Every indication was there that this was going be a landslide in Romney’s favor favor yet the opposite happened. I know, just a coicidence thyat every battleground state fell conveniently into the lap “O” just like a domino effect.
We are an advanced country but when you have a flawed election process, you are through as a nation.
I do give it to the Dems, they do know how to work the system...sad as it is.
Bump
Allen West is demanding to inspect both ballots and machines in his district. Need to do more of that.
Excellent. Dems cannot win without voter fraud. Voter I.D. threatens their very existence. Their rampant voter fraud and ballots with ONLY ‘Obama’ checked off and nothing else probably explains why the Senate/House seats didn’t change much.
While would like to say astonishing, last word, will say what is ... is ... New Normal.
I applaud Allen West. I’m sure the enemy is fighting him on this.. Afraid of what team West might discover, exposing more widespread fraud schemes.
Voter ID is never required in my state of Washington. 100% voting is by mail! That is absurdly stupid for preventing fraud.
Your numbers for 2012 seem a bit small. Where did you get your numbers?
Barack Obama 60,652,238
Mitt Romney 57,810,407
My wife mentioned an article she had read earlier today.
Basically, no state that has voter identification laws went towards Obama.
She cannot find it now, and google news search finds nothing.
I thought that interesting.
Fortunately for West his district still retains paper ballots. Paper ballots and local human counts are the only way an election’s validity can be audited. In California the SEIU counts all the mailed ballots in rooms to which authorized monitors are usually not admitted. When computers count votes there is no audit trail and absolutely no way to verify votes. Without fixing our voting process we will never regain freedom.
I admire him for demanding this scrutiny. The RINOs in the GOP roll over on their backs and expose their b@lls to the Dems whenever there is a challenge that should be made. They lost California doing that... over and over and over again.
Gee, I wonder why the problems haven’t been fixed.
It will be 10x worse next time because the GOP won’t lift a finger to stop it.
Thanks Jet Jaguar.
it doesn’t matter- the whole damn state coudl have been fraudulent voters and the main stream media will do NOTHING to hold them accoutnable for it because it might reflect badly o ntheir false messiah
True. In Ohio though there should be an audit trail of early voters because they were all required to complete cards with identifying information. No ID was required to verify what was written on the card. I wonder when those cards are destroyed? I wish someone with the resources to investigate fraud would go in and examine them. It shouldn't be too difficult to determine how many dead Ohioans voted early by comparing data on the cards with the SS death index. It wouldn't change vote tallies but it should stoke support for tougher voter ID laws.
“Every indication was there that this was going be a landslide in Romney’s favor favor.”
I concur with your “Landslide” predictions, but since many of the states have Republican governors as the Chief Executive of the state, wouldn’t they be privy to shenanigans of that magnitude?
Even if you can’t stop a ballot from being fraudulently cast or counted initially, can you not validate it?
Call the supposed voter and ask if they voted? If the answer is no, you have your answer. If the answer is that they are dead, you have your answer. If they say yes, you have your answer. In data analytics it’s called filtering and validating.
Well if you checked Virginia, which does have voter id, you would know that is not true. Obama won.
By the way, i’m for voter id.
We all need to make phone calls and get our voting history and check it against the results. I’m trying to do that here in Colorado for myself.
If there’s any discrepancies (history of voting for a democrat, but knowing I voted for republicans every time), I’d like to know, and take steps to prevent it.
The fact that there was SO much fraud out there this time (at least the ones they CAUGHT) tells me that this was massive.
That, and all of the polls being wrong, except Pew.
The enormous crowds Romney had, and the tiny numbers Obama had...
It makes no sense to me.
We have to keep those elected people from just sweeping it under the rug after every election.
Need to create a new party that will have spine to fight the left. because this country is conservative when conservatism is run. When fing moderates are run then people hate it because people who are conservative start bitching and moaning about the candidate. And this dumb party won’t fight fire with fire. So voter fraud is ignored. Stand up and fight idiots or go away.
The GOP or the Tea Party should start right now getting states to toss the computer screen voting machines and reinstate the paper ballots. Only absentee voting should be allowed with valid excuse. No early voting. Troops should be allowed e-mail voting, if overseas, on secure connection. The criminals are making a mockery of our sacred right to have our votes count.
There is no doubt in my mind that the machines in the swing states were rigged to delete Republican votes. Nobody can convince me otherwise based on the massive turnout of conservative and Independent voters.
So will anyone step up and demand that the system be overhauled now? Sadly no and conservatives will never elect a president in the U.S. again.
Caliornia has a way to check online to see if your absentee ballot has been received. My Dad just had me check his and it has not been received or counted yet.
We are the minority party. We must become the majority party to win elections. We won't do that by fighting phantoms.
Saw many old-timers show up at the polls with walkers, canes, aches & pains. They were a bit shaky, but determined to save the country from Obama.
Sad to see their votes negated by crooks in the urban political machines.
I don’t know if we have that option here. I know Denver county does, but I’m north from there.
This is a path to a solution Bshaw. I note that you didn't ask the voter how he or she voted. You understand the problem. There needs to be a consensus that a lack of verifiability guarantees the end of freedom. Most people have other concerns in their lives, and are not computer system designers. They see an industrial-sized box in a precinct and assume their votes are counted. The precinct workers, who now mostly function as ushers, makes it appear that data are being collected. Decades ago, and today in a number countries, including Israel and Spain, those precinct workers, known to many in their communities, would gather after the polls closed to count the ballots, with a representative of each of the major parties present. The ballots were locked then locked and guarded until being transported to a secure vault. But the initial count became the reported count unless there a recount was required. Acquire the count immediately to minimize the chance that corruption during transport would not be detected.
It sounds like you know more about statistical methods than I. My area involved guaranteed message transport and error detection and correction. Our voting systems wouldn't satisfy FDA requirements if votes were numbers generated by analytical instrument. Our voting systems are mostly farcical project cludges, probably designed by local AGs so that they can claim to have developed voting mechanisms for their states, justifying their two hundred thousand dollar salaries with generous retirement packages.
There are so many gaps in the chain of custody of votes that without a thorough analysis, it is not possible to know where counts are corrupted. It is simply a fact that an audit trail is impossible. To assume that political opportunists didn't take advantage of that uncertainty is foolish. With more votes counted than registered voters in many precincts in Ohio and Colorado, we know that some of the corruption was crude, since were I to manipulate votes I'd make the reported numbers as plausible as possible, knowing the pundits will explain how it could have happened. But it would be similiarly foolhardy to presume that there wasn't much more sophisticated manipulation of the ridiculously vulnerable transport systems, which have proved to be easy prey to amature hackers, good hackers being too busy and careful to report their success in accessing a number of the machines used for voting.
We also have no idea what becomes of voting data once it is sent to an official collating location. Votes were once counted by Voter News Service in New York, a remarkable betrayal of voter trust if they had known. Few know today. Transparency is not a hallmark of the current administration. Just as the federal reserve should be audited, an audit of our secret central vote counting process might reveal much about what voting is really about. My guess is that the invention of plausible counts occurs within states, which may account for the significant gains in states that already have Republican governors.
Perhaps a random sampling via phone calls of some number of precincts would dampen the open corruption, but local precinct counts are the only way to protect the secrecy of our voting system while minimizing the cheating due to corruption of the data. Union members could be identified through calls to their homes, and might be reluctant to reveal having voted against someone or some measure important to union officials (not forgetting that you did not suggest voters to reveal their selections, but realizing that those selections can so easily be altered makes the question an important one). We know that every telephony switch can be legally and secretly monitored by at least the FBI (since about 2001) meaning hostile government agencies may provide identities to their friends in the SEIU; paper ballots protect our all-important secret ballots. It isn't clear whether calls to voters would be legal, though a request for a re-vote might satisfy the courts.
Well, It’s time to do something about this while we can. There’s no sense talking and complaining about it. Judicial Watch, thank you. Husted and Kasich get off you a$$es and help your state because you are next.
I can only vouch for what I observed as a poll watcher for Romney at a precinct in Hamilton County:
Between 6.30 AM and 4 PM, EVERYONE who voted (except for ONE particularly obnoxious old woman who lived in the building and who was known to the poll people and who had ID other other than photo ID)presented photo ID, which was checked against two master lists.
I observed nothing suspicious. That doesn’t mean it didn’t go on elsewhere in the state, but for that precinct, things looked clean.
And nobody is gonna do a damn thing about it.
What is the winning margin again?
Furthermore, “in two counties, the number of registered voters actually exceeds the voting age population:
Ping to the rest of the article.
For your enlightenment vendome.
Of course, but have you considered, they might be complicit? I watched Kaisic on FOX tell us that they had the fraud issue covered stem to stern.
Yeah, that’s what I tell them. “Once you’re okay with killing babies then anything goes”.
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