Skip to comments.Vanity: It's Time To Let Go Of "They Stole It"
Posted on 11/08/2012 6:25:55 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
Reading the last two days discussion of what happened Tuesday, IMO there is one line of argument that needs to be abandoned because it's both incorrect and counterproductive:
"They stole it".
The problem with the "vote fraud" theory is that that convincing evidence that it's not correct; for example the actual results were very close to the aggregate polling predictions in the last weeks before the election, see for example:
For that to happen you would not only have to rig not only the election but also both the national and state level polling in such a way that the polls and final results would line up.
And the only way to do that massive conspiracy between polling organizations in fifty different states, which was somehow conducted without any evidence of it coming to light... and which operated almost perfectly each of the last three election cycles.
And the problem with believing that this sort of massive and perfectly conducted conspiracy is the problem, is that if prevents you from looking at the actual problem.
Which is that current Republican party can't sell the current conservative program as presented in the party platform and by the candidates to a majority of voters in the states with the EV total needed to win a presidential election - not even near the bottom of a deep recession when you opponent has may obvious flaws.
A national political party or movement in such a position may or may not be able and/or willing to do what's needed to change such a result.
But if you admit you have a problem, you have the potential to change something that might change your results.
But as long as your explanation for your poor results is "they stole it" - in the face of very convincing evidence from the aggregate polling that this did not happen - all you can do is stand around hoping the other guy screws up worst than you do, or that circumstances change to your advantage for reasons beyond their control, or both.
Which is hope, not a program.
I completely agree that such fraud is immoral and corrosive of civic virtue.
My point is that it was not a significant cause of Romney’s loss, nor likely a significant factor (as compared to inadvertent error and politicized but legal techniques of manipulation) in the result of elections for any Federal office in 2012.
No, they stole it. Are you seriously consideration that this administration’s complete non-compliance with the military voting registration act didn’t disenfranchise military voters?
In swing states like OH, FL, and VA military absentee ballot registration was down from 70-92%. This was a deliberate act by the Obama criminal enterprise, and it’s EXACTLY in keeping with liberal principles.
You are right and wrong at the same time. I think they did steal it. However, the GOP does nothing about it; so, yes, we may as well let go of the “they stole it” meme. After narrowly surviving the hanging chad cheatfest of 2000, W should have made election reform a priority.
Probably never but we will beat the drum and Americans will eventually demand reforms.
It is easier to use some wacky idea like stolen election than discuss the truth that Romney was a sucky candidate and way too liberal for the principled people of America who vote that way. Keep picking losers like Romney and you will continue to see the Romney lovers say the election was stolen instead of personal responsibility that Romney just plain SUCKED!!!
What about the Republican woman in Vegas was was arrested for trying to vote twice? Yes lots of fraud but on both sides.
The Alinskyites have much fewer moral scruples. They could have infiltrated the R campaign with dozens of moles. If commies and jihadists can infiltrate the Pentagon, then it's that much easier for them to infiltrate a campaign.
Satire is based on reality... that is what makes it satire.
And what about Florida, where the averages were off by two points? And Ohio, where we know there was massive voter fraud. It doesn't need to be a massive nation-wide conspiracy, just a focused campaign of cheating in targeted swing states.
A. There’s massive Democrat vote fraud
B. The Stupid Party refuses to do anything about it
C. Quit whining about it
You are utterly wrong! Frankly, I am greatly offended and fed up with all of these attempts over the years to downplay the consequences of vote fraud. I was denied thee right to vote in California when Democrats threatened to have me arrested and dragged off to jail for having the temerity to walk into my assigned polling place, present my voter registration card, California Driver’s License with picture ID, and my USAF Identity card with picturee ID. The Democrats removed me from the precinct’s list of registered voters and substituted some Hispanic named illegal immigrants whose fraudulent California Driver’s Licenses had been received in the mail months earlier. All attempts to report the crimes to the varous California authorities were refuseed. The Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department and the California Attorney General’s office even threatened to arrest me for trying to report the crimes, because they wrongfully accused me of opening the California Department of Motor Vehicles mail. Like you, every one of those people downplayed the consequences of the systematic fraud. Orange County Republicans succeeded in getting a district court conviction of the Democratic party after decades of trying, only to have the Democrats on the appellate court reverse the conviction on false technicalities.
One out of every five voter registrations in Ohio were illegitimate. A number of key Ohio counties had more registered voters than they had voting aged population. There were only a little over 100,000 votes different. Subtract the illegitimate votes, add Romney’s portion of the uncounted 200,000 provisional votes, and add the uncounted military votes, and you have a large victory for Romney in Ohio and its electoral votes.
In Florida, the margin was only a little over 40,000 votes and one-half of one percent of the vote. Add the military votes alone aand you have Romney winning Florida and its electoral votes. The same is true for a number of other states.
Frankly, I think you owe an apology for the thousands upon thousands of voters of all parties who have been victimized by massive vote fraud and then victimized over and over again in as this vote fraud disenfranchises them again and again in the following elections. The vote fraud in this election is massivee and makes a huge difference in many ways, including perhpas the outcome of the election, not to mention voter apathy.
The Polls were based on identical democrat turnout to 2008. However the turnout was way lower in the democrats as we knew it would be due to the polls that showed the democrat base was not energised.
Interestingly enough the republicans were very energised and turned out in droves. Yet Mitt got less votes than McCain.
However I do see the elections matched the imbalanced polls. Only one way or reason that could happen. Vote fraud. High Treason.
So get over it, suck it up and realize that we have become a demockery. Dont swallow the blue pill, that is insanity. You are going to be able to overcome the sh&^ storm in our future better if you keep your head out of the sand.
OK, so the Republicans won heavily in the House.
Congressional districts are almost identical in population nationwide.
How is it that voters chose Republican reps and then voted for Obama, gay marriage, and lib Senators?
It smells like week old fish.
Fraud has become pervasive, highly organized, and sophisticated.
The only way to find out the truth is good intel, i.e., get humint inside the Machine.
I find most Republicans are incredibly naive and innocent. They suck at humint.
When you have millions of voters an time after time there are narrow wins of less than a thousand it screams of vote mnufacturing and making enough to win but not so many to attract attention. I think in this election we also had vote demolishing where republican votes were lost
Hundreds of stories of dim corruption... dim elections officials fired... barring republicans from entering polling places in Philly... as official monitors... having a judge order them in... 5 hours later... and a story with no evidence that it is true... about a so called republican voting twice... and we have hundreds of tweets and fb postings where dims admit voting multiple times.
Unless every pollster was corrupt (and I doubt that), there is no stolen election. The final vote totals came out very close to the polls. Just like in 2008...and 2004...and most of the election years before that. Give up “the election was stolen” idiocy.
I totally agree. Repubs are naive and innocent. They also don’t want to be sore losers. They have yet to figger out the key word is “loser”. Our side are not good fighters. If we were stealing elections the outcry would be super loud.
The dems love it that we keep stabbing each other in the back and doing the circular firing sqaud within the party.
They know that the fix was in and they enjoy all the angst.
If you post at other news sites, the libs always taunt you with that.
I had one post to me you all aren’t going to win. Got it? LOL
He was correct.
Ok. So Pennsylvania going to Romney still would not have changed the fact that Romney lost overwhelmingly. I am so pissed that Romney was chosen. Anybody with a brain knew this doosh was going to go down in flames. How on Earth were we dumb enough to put up a guy who changes his beliefs at the drop of a hat and then insist to people that Romney has conviction in his beliefs. I tried to tell people that Romney has evolved and truly believes what he says now and all I got was people cracking up laughing. It is very hard to tell people that Romney is an honest guy when he flails around trying to present an issue that is a 180 from his beliefs at a recent prior time. Very difficult to do and guess what? We all failed in seeing that it could not be done.