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Why Mitt Lost and it Wasn’t Very Close
Townhall.com ^ | November 8, 2012 | John Ransom

Posted on 11/08/2012 6:30:05 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: wolfman23601
If I were the GOP, that would be my compromise. Raise taxes on everyone, not just the rich.

You're forgetting that "boehner" is, I believe, Middle German for "bend over"...


51 posted on 11/08/2012 7:43:24 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: all the best
GOPe

E = Elites = Establishment
(ellites/establishment really the same know-it-alls what's best for us)

52 posted on 11/08/2012 7:45:30 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: ConservativeDude

Please provide counts, not just margins. I smell a rat.


53 posted on 11/08/2012 7:53:53 AM PST by bIlluminati (290 Reps, 67 Senators, 38 state legislatures - Impeach, convict, amend)
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To: SoConPubbie
They picked

Who should the GOP-E have picked?

54 posted on 11/08/2012 7:56:20 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Kaslin
The take away has been the opposite.

The next candidate will be further left than Mitt, and support abortion and gay marriage openly.

55 posted on 11/08/2012 7:56:35 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Kaslin
The take away has been the opposite.

The next candidate will be further left than Mitt, and support abortion and gay marriage openly.

56 posted on 11/08/2012 7:56:48 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Ground action counts. Do we have to get Democrat advisers to teach us how to do it?

You first have to have a candidate that represents you.

Mitt didn't.
57 posted on 11/08/2012 8:07:45 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Kaslin

We got out micro targeted.


58 posted on 11/08/2012 8:22:49 AM PST by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

As we said here in Texas, working on the Cruz Crew, #Grassroots Matter


59 posted on 11/08/2012 8:33:05 AM PST by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: CPT Clay
We got out micro targeted.

Bingo. Newt Gingrich famously staged a revolution by figuring out how to Nationalize an off-year Congressional election.

Our challenge now is (and I can scarcely believe these words are coming out of me)...figuring out how to Nationalize a PRESIDENTIAL election.

Absent that the Democrats will continue to pick us off playing mirco-targeted very very small ball, using birth control, binders and Big Bird.


60 posted on 11/08/2012 8:33:58 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kaslin

“Mitt too represented the far left of the GOP. But at least he returned us to the tradition of making sure our guy was considered a “nice” guy.”

Not during the primaries, when he rang the bell on malicious and deceitful character assassinations. Otherwise the article is right on target.

It also underscores the timidity, decrepitude and closely held nature of the Geriatric Old Plotters as an institutional cadre. Living fossils, going extinct.


61 posted on 11/08/2012 8:47:04 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Turns out that White Horse was just a whitewashed jackass.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

AMEN!!!!!


62 posted on 11/08/2012 8:48:12 AM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Kaslin

I say this article is BS. Walking through ghettos and knocking on doors does not make people go vote. If it did then why did obama get 9,000,000 votes less than in 2008?

Romney wasn’t what we wanted. But I’ll never believe conservatives stayed home. I do believe a lot of votes were “lost”. The democrats are better at the republicans at one thing - cheating! And where was the company from that counted the votes? Spain? And where were those poll watchers from...the U.N.? And there’s one other thing the democrats are better at than the republicans. They will actually get down and dirty and fight.


63 posted on 11/08/2012 9:25:57 AM PST by Terry Mross (Once again I wasted my vote. But I have learned my lesson.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Mitt was a heck of a closer approximation to that than Barack is...


64 posted on 11/08/2012 9:36:31 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (cat dog, cat dog, alone in the world is a little cat dog)
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To: SoConPubbie
Their fear and loathing of Social Conservatives have done them, and more importantly, us, in.

So true.

65 posted on 11/08/2012 9:37:05 AM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I’m not so sure the Crowd of Zombie Voters cared at all about binders and Big Bird, and very little about birth control (after all it’s dirt cheap to get on your own dime now — if Obamacare will do anything, it will be to drive the price UP).


66 posted on 11/08/2012 9:39:44 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (cat dog, cat dog, alone in the world is a little cat dog)
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To: donna

A lot of the fearers and loathers of social conservatives have never actually listened directly to a social conservative. Instead they have bought the Democrat distortions of what social conservatives are. Even Rush Limbaugh, and my own sister in law views him as a horrible hater, doesn’t usually produce copy that anywhere near justifies the Democrat portraits of him.


67 posted on 11/08/2012 9:42:20 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (cat dog, cat dog, alone in the world is a little cat dog)
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To: Kaslin

Republicans really need to pull their heads out of their butts and read McLuhan’s “Understanding Media” for starters and then return to the Party of Lincoln for finishers. Then you old boy rural Americans need to generate a capacity for empathy. That social Darwinist “dot eat dog” crap is neanderthal.

Then you need to discover the real reasons why the media is 90% liberal. They didn’t get that percentage by being stupid or obsolete. Conservatives have got to learn that “culture” does not mean the ballet and opera. In the electronic age (McLuhan is your bible here) warfare means psyops not set piece territory warfare. There is no “territory” in an electronic environment, there are “points of view”. All media is psyops all the time.

Then you need to understand the term “oligarchy” and understand that our support for oligarchs in the 3rd World destroyed America’s reputation as a fountainhead of democracy. That’s what “republican” means- ANTI-oligarchy, anti-aristocracy. That’s who this nation launched a war against in 1776 and that is who our true enemy is.

Then you need to understand the difference between “capitalism” and “monopolism” and stop rubber stamping everything that the monopolist oligarchy stuffs down our throat in the guise of “conservatism”, such as the Federal Reserve System and Wall St. as an engine of progress. Wall St. is a GAMBLING ARCADE. Read Carrol Quigley’s “Tragedy and Hope” today, not tomorrow, today. Then you gotta stop worshiping money as a measurement of wealth. Get this and get this straight- the wealth of a nation is the MIND OF ITS CITIZENS.

Here’s a little tip for you venture types- brick and mortar education is dead. Start developing Internet delivered education from grammar school through undergraduate. We either get smarter faster or become extinct.


68 posted on 11/08/2012 10:03:31 AM PST by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: Kaslin

OH! Stop running RINO’s, losing, and then concluding that the RINO lost because he wasn’t liberal enough. Good. Lesson learned.

Jeb Bush for 2016.

Snort.


69 posted on 11/08/2012 10:09:17 AM PST by DPMD
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To: Kaslin

OH! Stop running RINO’s, losing, and then concluding that the RINO lost because he wasn’t liberal enough. Good. Lesson learned.

Jeb Bush for 2016.

Snort.


70 posted on 11/08/2012 10:09:21 AM PST by DPMD
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I heard Rush today reading what various reporters claimed Rush said yesterday about the election. They made up words that Rush never used. It’s just crazy.

I just never realized that once we take God out of our lives, we can’t recognize the truth or logic anymore. I’m so glad I believe in God.


71 posted on 11/08/2012 10:32:56 AM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: DPMD

The Democrat victory came because the Democrats drummed up more voters. “Some” of those might have been fraud cases, and policing fraud matters, but there aren’t any GOP Acorn’s... why? There ought to be.


72 posted on 11/08/2012 10:37:19 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (cat dog, cat dog, alone in the world is a little cat dog)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Have you ever considered how many foreign companies are in the US doing work?
Have you ever considered that American companies are hiring foreigners because Americans are unskilled in the engineering fields?
My husband’s company looked for a year for an experienced and qualified engineer, eventually had to look over seas and hired a German scientist.
Same thing for a materials scientist, they hired a Japanese materials scientist.


73 posted on 11/08/2012 11:03:07 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Yollopoliuhqui

A lot of what you say rings true to me.

The loss of Andrew Breitbart cannot be understated.


74 posted on 11/08/2012 11:18:22 AM PST by eddie willers
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I had two relatively conservative co-workers (both Southern Baptists) who proudly proclaimed they voted for Obama because “Romney didn’t believe in Jesus” and “Republicans just pretend to be pro-life.”

I was stunned. Granted, I live in Missouri and Romney did very well state-wide.


75 posted on 11/08/2012 12:08:50 PM PST by the808bass
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To: SoConPubbie
Their fear and loathing of Social Conservatives have done them, and more importantly, us, in.

That is so funny........The only fear came from self proclaimed conservatives who were panicked and hysterical that only Romney was the guy who could beat obama.

Well, guess what he lost and you are still hysterical and panicked.

76 posted on 11/08/2012 1:40:07 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: wolfman23601
“It wasn’t about Mitt Romney. The fact of the matter is people don’t see how the debt affects them.”

The job of a candidate is to communicate these things and be able to get people to see what the problems are and why America needs to elect him. Romney was incapable of that. He was incapable of communicating the mess America are in and that he would make it better. He allowed the Democrats and the MSM to say he threw people out of jobs and even killed people.

77 posted on 11/08/2012 1:48:12 PM PST by detective
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To: ilgipper
They [Dems] had crews of workers in the trenches cranking it out months ago micro targeting each area. Obama won our county by a much larger margin than I would have expected. They won in the GOTV, and we need to quickly evolve there. The Romney campaign made massive improvements on the digital side over four years ago, and they did develop a much more advanced microtargeting database. They need to take that and evolve into our side’s version of OFA. The one thing in world I can give credit to the Obama era is that they have taken campaigning to a whole new level using technology and grassroots organization.

Very true. I believe the Dems' intensive and superior "ground game" was by far the most important factor in Obama's slim victory.

I and others posted on that topic on this thread: Dems' winning strategy: Early voting + bribes = Obama victory

78 posted on 11/08/2012 1:53:00 PM PST by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: Yollopoliuhqui
You could not be more wrong.

Traditional family values, sense of community and conservative self-reliance have nothing to do with the “dog eat dog” mentality. Go to Democrat strongholds like NYC, Chicago, Detroit etc and you will see plenty of “dog eat dog”. Go to small towns, suburban communities and church groups and you will see neighbors helping neighbors and people who care about one another.

The MSM are 99% Democrat propaganda operatives for the simple reason that anyone who doesn't say what they are told to say will lose their job. The MSM companies are losing money and readers and viewers. They are also losing jobs. The media people are extremely insecure about their jobs and know that not straying from the government/Democrat orthodoxy is the only way to keep getting a paycheck.

Oligarchy is a vague term usually used by people who are either dishonest or unaware. They third world is full of brutal dictatorships and government by thievery.

Wall Street firms were big supporters of Obama in 2008 and Democrats in general. Wall Street bankers don't like conservatives or free markets. Goldman Sacks was known as “government sacks” Where do you think Tim Geitner and the Obama people came from. Many Democrats had consulting deals with Enron. Democrats place huge burdens on small and medium sized businesses but often buy out corrupt big business types. Look where Chelsea Clinton got her first job. Look who got rich off Solyndra and left taxpayers holding the bag.

You don't have children or don't pay property taxes if you think “brick and mortar education is dead”.

Every year millions of children attend and and billions of taxpayer dollars are spent on “brick and mortar.”

79 posted on 11/08/2012 2:18:02 PM PST by detective
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To: detective
You don't have children or don't pay property taxes if you think “brick and mortar education is dead”.

I agree with you more than Yollo, but the truth is, "brick and mortar education" (if we're talking about public schools) should be dead.

Every year millions of children attend and and billions of taxpayer dollars are spent on “brick and mortar.”

Yes and we need to stop doing that! I.e. throwing way too much taxpayer money at public schools teachers' unions, for way too little educational result (although the $ are great for the unions, and for the Democrat candidates to whom your taxpayer $ subsequently flow).

My last child got his high school education online. I homeschooled him through junior high school. If it had dawned on me earlier how terrible public education had become, I would've homeschooled all my children.

80 posted on 11/08/2012 2:37:29 PM PST by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: Vinnie

Thank you. You are right. I keep waiting to hear Rush, Sean, Glenn, or Fox News say the same thing. Maybe they have and I’ve missed it...but I lay the fault for Romney losing at the feet of the MSM. If they had not covered up the Benghazi story like they did, Romney would have won, period.


81 posted on 11/08/2012 4:08:54 PM PST by Haddon
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

For sure! Globalism serve citizen of the world, globalists.

Axe Homeland Insecurity, hand rape at airports and restore the constitution.

Go after the gang bangers and all crime by condemning the crime in the cities. Run against the lib VIOLENT crime rate and less police state micro-management in our lives. (Safety attracts the empty head vagina voters! We can appeal to Mexicans who had to flee murder.)

Now about the drug war...we need to figure this out because the cops are are acting like apes in the jungle with the excuse of the drug war. The DOJ are conducting themselves like we are a thrid world nation war ground where they pal up with one drug operation and use them to conduct war on the other drug lords - slaughtering citizens in the mean time.

If we legalize drugs to kill the cartels and the cop abuse, what do we do with drug addicts who can’t keep themselves out of the gutters because Liberals will use legalization to coddle them with socialist housing, health care, EBT cards, drug treatment programs and programs and programs, etc. What do we do to protect children from themselves and teen temptation.

Libertarians, you have nothing to contribute on this question. You are darwinistic retards.


82 posted on 11/08/2012 4:20:13 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson
If we legalize drugs to kill the cartels and the cop abuse, what do we do with drug addicts who can’t keep themselves out of the gutters because Liberals will use legalization to coddle them with socialist housing, health care, EBT cards, drug treatment programs and programs and programs, etc.

That why you tax the stuff. It provides a revenue stream that pays for all of the above.

Taxing drug sales to provide rehab actually makes sense if you think about it. The users fund their own programs and you can have a HUGE tax rate on it. Think about tobacco taxes and how high they are. Then apply that principle to the drugs you legalize.

It also gets people out of jails. If its a tax issue then it is handled differently, usually with little jail time at all if any.

83 posted on 11/08/2012 6:03:31 PM PST by superloser
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Mitt was a heck of a closer approximation to that than Barack is...

So are any number of Democrats, but I sure don't want them running things either.
84 posted on 11/08/2012 6:38:20 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie

You have to realize that where you’re going, you really ought to vote only for Jesus Christ.

However, Jesus Christ will need no ballot.


85 posted on 11/08/2012 6:43:24 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (cat dog, cat dog, alone in the world is a little cat dog)
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To: D-fendr


Anybody but somebody like Mitt Romney who supports Abortion and the Gay Agenda and whose Progressive record as record should make any honest man blush. Add in that he can arguably be called the Father of Gay Marriage and the Father of Socialized Medicine in America, and he should have been the last man the GOP-E picked if they really wanted to win.

Many of us spent months warning conservatives on this site that this would occur.

Conservatives need to stop playing the abused wife to the GOP-E and just say no, and mean it, whenever they attempt to force us into voting for their latest Progressive loser.
86 posted on 11/08/2012 6:47:17 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
You have to realize that where you’re going, you really ought to vote only for Jesus Christ.

However, Jesus Christ will need no ballot.


That really was a disengenous reply.

All Mitt Romney had to do to win this election was to reverse course on his Abortion and Gay Agenda stances, and actually provided a credible plan to reduce dramatically the size of government which would have shored up his right flank and the independents, and he would have trounced Obama.

If you want to falsely equate that with Jesus Christ, go right ahead. What a joke of a response.

Given Obama utter and complete failure as President and his lousy record, if Romney had just tried to be a conservative, and present a clear differentiation between his approach and Obama's, this election would have been a cake walk.
87 posted on 11/08/2012 6:52:58 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: svcw
Well, guess what he lost and you are still hysterical and panicked.

Hey svcw, you do know I'm on your side on this one, right?
88 posted on 11/08/2012 6:54:17 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie

But who?

Who is that you would have run that would have beaten Obama?


89 posted on 11/08/2012 7:08:57 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: SoConPubbie
Conservatives need to stop playing the abused wife to the GOP-E

You likely don't even realize how insulting that is.

We have an admittedly weak field of candidates, but that's who stepped up for battle. We pick our favorite and fight against each like crazy throughout the primary - perhaps 20 percent behind any one, but when the fight is over we unite behind the winner against Obama. And we go down fighting.

Then some conspiracy theorist above it all sideliner, who has done nothing but throw rock all along, calls us abused wives.

Shame on you. I have lost all respect.

90 posted on 11/08/2012 7:32:37 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Try to chase down a sinless man... you won’t.

So your threshold is quite arbitrary. I am not at all “disingenuous.”


91 posted on 11/08/2012 8:40:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (cat dog, cat dog, alone in the world is a little cat dog)
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To: Kaslin
Although he was my last choice, Mitt Romney was a great candidate. People need to quit this second guessing the GOP and focus on the fact that half the country believes in a socialist government. They can argue that there were groups of illegal voters, people want government handouts, the GOP are catering to certain groups, etc. But the real bottom line is that half the people want socialism. This election shouldn't have been close.

This isn't unlike post-Nazi Germany where the people abandoned democratic principles and voted in Hitler.

92 posted on 11/09/2012 12:46:39 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: Kaslin

Is the article than saying that what the GOP is a mean, angry man? Cause, we here is Germany have some experience with a particular leader of that variety and it didn’t turn out too well. Reagan was a nice guy too.


93 posted on 11/09/2012 1:23:36 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Using profanity gives people who don't want information from you an excuse not to listen.)
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To: shhrubbery!
“we need to stop doing that! I.e. throwing way too much taxpayer money at public schools teachers’ unions, for way too little educational result”

You are saying that public schools are dysfunctional, ineffective and waste taxpayer money. I agree.

When someone says something is dead it means it no longer exists. Actually, “brick and mortar” can't be “dead” but I will accept the intended meaning.

To say brick and mortar education no longer exists is simply incorrect. Online education is becoming more common. My kids took online courses. But brick and mortar education still uses billions of taxpayer dollars each year.

94 posted on 11/09/2012 3:12:21 AM PST by detective
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Try to chase down a sinless man... you won’t.

We're not talking about a sinless man.

We're talking about finding leaders who don't purposefully do the wrong thing.

Like I said, disengenuous.
95 posted on 11/09/2012 6:13:06 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I am a protectionist. More-so every single day.

Me, too, brother.

A global economy requires a global lawgiver and a global police power.

I want none of it.

If you need to eat by feeding Chinamen, then move to f***ing China.

96 posted on 11/09/2012 6:46:28 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I am a protectionist. More-so every single day.

Me, too, brother.

A global economy requires a global lawgiver and a global police power.

I want none of it.

If you need to eat by feeding Chinamen, then move to f***ing China.

97 posted on 11/09/2012 6:46:34 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I am a protectionist. More-so every single day.

Me, too, brother.

A global economy requires a global lawgiver and a global police power.

I want none of it.

If you need to eat by feeding Chinamen, then move to f***ing China.

98 posted on 11/09/2012 6:46:34 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I am a protectionist. More-so every single day.

Me, too, brother.

A global economy requires a global lawgiver and a global police power.

I want none of it.

If you need to eat by feeding Chinamen, then move to f***ing China.

99 posted on 11/09/2012 6:46:36 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Jim Noble

You can say that again.

:D


100 posted on 11/09/2012 6:48:06 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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