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"We're Better Than That" - Nice Guys Don't Finish Nice.
11/8/12 | dagogo redux

Posted on 11/08/2012 3:41:13 PM PST by dagogo redux

It has been brought up by me and many others, both recently and over time, that American conservatives may simply be too meek and nice to prevail against a determined, vicious, devious and underhanded enemy like the Marxist Left.

I don't know that a dedicated thread to discuss this has yet been opened since the election, so I thought I would do so.

I've never been large or overly strong, nor inherently unfriendly, but I grew up as a scrappy little kid, and people still occasionally say that I merely need to walk into a room for people to know not to mess with me. They are right to know that. And yet, I don't think the Left thinks that about our side in general. They sense are weak and timid, and they are closing in for the kill.

It is my impression that our side in the current conflict for our country's future is far too heavily populated by people who either won't or can't fight a sociopathic enemy with the sorts of tactics and attitudes sufficiently dirty and forceful to win. And because of this, we are ripe to be conquered.

We allow ourselves to be victims. We are easily cowed and overly worried about the Left's efforts to paint us as mean-spirited or as hypocrites for fighting for our values, our country, and our survival.

We question ourselves. We back off. We apologize. We forgive. We stick our heads in the sand in the face of an evil that demands decisive action.

If we do win a small tactical victory, we avoid the coup de grace at all costs. We avoid the symbolic jugular, the trachea, the groin, the eyes. Our own eyes are clouded by an unshakable belief in the ultimate goodness of our opponent, who must only be defended against for the moment, but never put down permanently in total defeat.

We naively believe in the essential goodness of our Marxist enemies, ignoring history, ignoring that they are our enemies, that their hearts are eternally filled with hatred and an evil intent to destroy us by any means necessary. We want desparately to believe that deep down they are good and decent people just like us, and our moral compass is accordingly set on self-righteous, pacifistic, wishful-thinking. It should instead be set on fundamental survival instincts.

They will bury us - they have said so. They know our weaknesses, and they are exploiting them. And we are letting them, because "we are better than that." I'm not better than that. I'm not afraid to "stoop to their level," to become "just like them" to win. It's not a gentleman's game to discuss later at the club house over cocktails. It's a fight for survival, for the survival of ourselves and our loved ones and our country and all that we hold dear. I hope enough of us understand that.


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To: dagogo redux

I tend to agree with you emotionally, but remember, we are not like them. We are fundamentally different from them. We believe in self reliance and freedom. They believe in welfare and enslavement. They can behave like criminals because they believe that the ends, the enslavement of the people, is justified by any means necessary. Bribery, lies, dirty tricks, even force. They do this because once people are enslaved, those are the very skills necessary for keeping them enslaved.

We can’t act like them because you can’t force, or bribe people to be free. You can only convince them that it is a superior way of life.

PS People expect Democrats to lie and cheat because they are at heart criminals who want to enslave others. They don’t expect it from the champions of freedom. If we act like Democrats how can we claim to be any better than them.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 5:52:49 PM PST by monday
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To: dagogo redux

Yes....we need to be more like Jesus. Like Jesus when he got mad and threw the money changers out of the temple! Jesus wasn’t some happy Buddha sitting around smiling at all our crazy antics. Would happy Buddha threaten to put a millstone around someone’s neck and throw them into the lake for messing up kids? Jesus knew how to get mad. “Christian” means “Little Christ”. It’s OK for Christians to get mad over a good cause.


22 posted on 11/08/2012 6:38:03 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: dagogo redux

My Dad told me, “When I was young, I fought like a Boy Scout and I got beat up constantly. One day, I decided to quit fighting like a Boy Scout and get the first lick in. I started to win my fights and the bullies left me alone.”


23 posted on 11/08/2012 6:40:54 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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“Oh, those wacky Democrats. It’s just government and doesn’t affect me much.”

Tell that to the people who died on 9/11. Our enemies want to kill big bunches of us. The Obama administration was perfectly fine with letting 30 plus Americans die in Benghazi to protect their re-election. Just how many Americans would they let die to protect their political hides? 500? 10 million? How many would a nuclear weapon kill in LA? When you see that bright flash, it will be too late to vote Republican.


24 posted on 11/08/2012 6:47:09 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: dagogo redux

The GOP needs to be cunning like a wolf and as loving as a dove, instead, they are as loving as a dove and as cunning as a cow!


25 posted on 11/08/2012 6:48:45 PM PST by IslamE (epiphany)
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To: dagogo redux

After reading this post and the replies, I recalled an epiphany from earlier in the day.

Something occurred to me about which I am getting more and more frustrated: Nobody is quantifying the enemy here. They demonize the labels, they point to ‘government’, but everyone forgets who the enemy are: Your neighbor, your ‘friends’, your co-workers, your relatives, perhaps even the spouse.

I chewed the heck out of the wife the other night for suggesting Romney should NEVER be elected while dismissing what another 4 years of this crap means to us and the country.

The opposition has organized; it’s called ‘community organizing’. They’ve hijacked non-profits to promote their views to mass audiences, particularly those easily affected by propaganda and enlisted those to perform the same. THAT will take either an economic calamity or a generation to change. The repetetive propaganda has even influenced libertarians I know to vote for a$$hats for the first time.

What can change in less than 4 years is each of us taking charge of ‘our own house’. Don’t be meek: Take it to the max EVERY TIME someone states that ‘we just have to get along’ crap or, worse, rubs the election results in your face. We will never overcome the ‘me-me-me’ crowd; we CAN influence those that vote around us.

Worst case, we might have to rewrite the book on ‘influencing’ those around us; that may include a long, long list of dirty tricks.

After all, while it hasn’t come to bu-—ts (yet), it really is the only approach no one is talking about and the only step preceding raw violence, isn’t it??

I put it to the wife this way: You lie in the bed you make; let’s lay it on them. I DID let the wife have it; I WILL let the libertarian that voted for our resident 14-termer have it. Go to a dinner party and make a scene; pick a fight. Confront your neighbor.

Lacking any effective leadership on the matter, it’s up to each of us.


26 posted on 11/08/2012 8:18:38 PM PST by logi_cal869
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