Skip to comments.WOW: Most Accurate Polls for 2012?
Posted on 11/08/2012 3:42:57 PM PST by Toespi
1. PPP 2. DAILYKOS/SEIU/PPP 3. REUTERS
This alone should raise a red flag.
I believe that you are correct, but much of it was a combination of voting for Obama for racist reasons (because he was black, and "historic", and the huge advantage that the MSM gave him by being completely on his side.
Even with all that, he got far fewer votes in 2012 than he did in 2008, but it was enough because millions less voted for Romney than McCain. Much of that was voter suppression by the MSM as well, effectively selecting Romney by destroying his opposition, then demonizing him afterward.
I think that if the MSM had treated any one of a number of news items, such as the phoney "war on women", Fast and Furious, the black racisim in the DOJ, the Benghazi scandal, objectively or fairly, Obama would have lost. But the MSM had his back. They could not "let the first black president fail".
How accurate we’re the results that Ohio paper put up (for a brief while) the day BEFORE the election?
Did you see a D+6 turnout a week before the election? Did you see it sooner than that?
Saddam had more legitimate elections than America does.
I think if you check jack’s posts you will find what you are looking for. He wrote a lot of nuts & bolts stuff that’s worth reading.
Anyone REALLY believe the Daily Kos or SEIU know more about how Americans vote than Barone?
I agree. I'm tired of hearing "voter fraud!" from all the whiners. In case anyone forgot, Romney was bashed mercilessly on this forum right up to the very end. And now people are acting shocked he didn't win? Give me a break.
We lost because Republican voters stayed home, just like so many on this forum said they were going to do. There's no conspiracy.
It's about as mystifying as somebody calling a coin flip correctly.
The entire GOP needs a top to bottom makeover. The only demographic Romney carried were white males over 30. This might have worked in 1988 but it is a guaranteed loser today and from here on.
I am not a numbers cruncher. Mitt Romney had a rally that attracted 35,000 people in the Cincinnati area. The same day, Obama held a rally in Columbus area, at a fairgrounds, 2800 people showed up
There is absolutely no question fraud was instigated in sundry places. Others have noted how Zero did not win in any States where Voter ID was in effect.
That said, I was, and perhaps am, under the delusion there are more righteous people in the United States than not; enough who care about political matters to swat the Marxists down. In the bigger scheme of things, however, the actual percentage of the population that even votes is small.
This is a good time to examine oneself and at the same time look to Divine Providence to correct what is wrong in our midst. Life is too short to worry ourselves to death over power players. The wicked WILL get what is coming to them one way or another.
Wait, you mean you didn’t vote for Tom Hoefling :)
Well, you may think that was a no-brainer 50/50 chance, but that is not how it looked from here. We are all still in deep shock at losing this election. Everyone in this county was predicting a Romney landslide. And because the elction inspectors had been insulated from all news all day, the remark came out of left field.
When my husband walked in 15 minutes after the polls closed and announced that Fox had called the election in Wisconsin for Obama with only 1% of the vote in, nobody believed him.
We still had 900 absentee ballots to put through the machine.
My county had an 89.5% turnout.
I just read on another thread that Philadelphia had 90% turnout, Obama winning 99% of the vote in multiple districts. In Cleveland dozens of districts, Obama got 100% of the turnout, Romney receiving absolutely none. Now imagine dropping a diamond in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean and going back a week later, finding the precise spot, getting your diamond back.
Swing states didnt go for obama until the last holdout districts reported (democrat). happened in florida and ohio.
Dude, we lost, get over it. Hanging on to conspiracy theories just makes it more difficult to prepare for the next fight.
Did you see a D+6 turnout a week before the election? Did you see it sooner than that?”
To be honest with you, and this is going to sound really weird, I saw a higher dem turnout in Spring 2011 when the U.S. Census Bureau released its second in the series of 2010 census briefs.
The census data is free to the public and posted online for anyone to view. The demographic changes between 2000 and 2010 were mind-blowing. If you graph the changes of each race/ethnicity in 2000 to 2010, you can get a really nice regression line that lets you project the electorate makeup change between 2008 and 2010.
The 2008 black, hispanic and lower white electorate percentage was not a “hope and change”, “first black president”, “youth vote excitement for a hip president” election year. It was the new normal.
Anyway, so back in the Spring of 2012 when some national polls started getting ramped up and serious, I couldn’t believe that people like Rasmussen were making adjustments to his surveys like he did. There’s no way he would have done that if he had simply looked at the Census data and the geographic distribution of it.
Gallup actually thought the white vote would be 78% of the vote and in light of the census data, when I saw that, I could NOT believe that anyone with common sense would dare publish that garbage. But there it was, being quoted day and night on TV, front pages of USA Today and one of only two polls trumpeted over and over by Drudge.
But back to your question, it’s not whether I saw Dem +6 but whether I believed it. And because I was fully aware of the new demographic makeup of America as of 2010, I was able to put my own bias and wishes aside and believe it. Once I accepted the demographics as real, then I started tracking the trajectory of the race with all of the polls except Gallup and Rasmussen because they were obviously unaware of the census data or worse, inserting their own bias and purposefully ignoring it.